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Old 01-21-2011, 09:56 AM
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Bmw key fob replacement

Folks - the wife lost her key the other night. Called the dealer to get a new key fob quote - $210. However, they state they are unable to change the key fob frequency. Has anyone heard different? I am concerned that the key now floating around the city of Boston will keep me up at night if it is still able to start the car. Thoughts?
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Old 01-21-2011, 10:47 AM
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Buy a new fob & then it will replace the lost one by the dealer when they program it in. Your car will only accept 2 keys at a time thereby negating your wandering key concerns.

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Old 01-21-2011, 10:55 AM
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Interesting. I did not know that. How does the car differentiate? I would think that since there will be "3" key fobs for my car that it would not know how to take precedence.

BTW - is $210 a reasonable amount? I mean, that is expensive, but is there anyway around that?
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Old 01-21-2011, 11:04 AM
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Do you have comfort access?

My CA replacement key cost $168.00 in 2008, and then $57.50 to reprogram the car to recognize #2 & #3 fobs (having lost #1 fob).

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Old 01-21-2011, 11:50 AM
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I don't have comfort access - I still need to put the key fob in the "ignition slot". So, the key fob is really not different functionally than a traditional key - but since it is not a traditional key, I assumed it had a frequency that the car recognized and allowed me to start the car. I was hoping to change this frequency - ?
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Old 01-21-2011, 12:41 PM
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The car has key memory. For instance when key #1 unlocks the car, the car recognizes the key and adjusts settings accordingly, if necessary. If car #2 unlocks it, it adjusts the seats, mirrors, radio, etc. etc. I imagine the car only has room for 2 keys in the memory so I wouldn't worry about your lost key. My car wasn't supplied with the valet key (which is probably 'out there' somewhere), but I am not concerned with the possibility that a thief has it and can find me to take the vehicle. (I know, I know Challenge Accepted Meme incoming...)
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I was hoping to change this frequency - ?
As other have said, you don't have to.

Think of it this way ... three computers are connected to Internet via WiFi, all three are, obviously, using the same frequency to communicate with router. However, if you are a router administrator, you can ban one of the PCs to access Internet from that router. How? Because every WiFi "receiver" is, in fact, a network card and has a UNIQUE and distinctive ID called MAC address and once router sees the device with that MAC address trying to connect, it will refuse connection if so instructed. As you can see, working on same frequency doesn't mean anything nowadays.
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Thanks for the discussion everyone. Will let you know what the BMW folks have to say - or rather - how much they know about this
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Folks - the wife lost her key the other night. Called the dealer to get a new key fob quote - $210. However, they state they are unable to change the key fob frequency. Has anyone heard different? I am concerned that the key now floating around the city of Boston will keep me up at night if it is still able to start the car. Thoughts?
what dealer did u get this price from im looking to get a replacement for my car
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Old 01-21-2011, 05:09 PM
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I got a $210 quote from Norwood Gallery - also called Comm Ave Herb Chambers and they said betwen $150 and $300
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I got a $210 quote from Norwood Gallery - also called Comm Ave Herb Chambers and they said betwen $150 and $300
ohh good that's the one i go to thats a good price but my car has ca so i think is goin to cost me a bit more
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One option would be to get the fob from Tischler (or some other discounter) and then have the dealer program it.
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Interesting. I did not know that. How does the car differentiate? I would think that since there will be "3" key fobs for my car that it would not know how to take precedence.

BTW - is $210 a reasonable amount? I mean, that is expensive, but is there anyway around that?

$210 is very Reasonable--A stinking Honda is more than that.
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Hey all,

I just bought a slightly used M3 that does NOT have comfort access (crazy, IMHO). The dealer who sold it to me told me he only had 1 of the keys. The 335i that I traded in (on the spot) had 2 fobs but I only had 1 with me.

Since I live 3 hours away, I told him I'd "slip it in the mail right away." But now that all documents are signed I really don't feel compelled to send the key to my old 335i back to the dealer. What I'd LIKE to do is reprogram my 335i key fob to work with the new M3. Can this be done by a dealer? My 335i HAD comfort access and as I said, the new one doesn't.

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Hey all,

I just bought a slightly used M3 that does NOT have comfort access (crazy, IMHO). The dealer who sold it to me told me he only had 1 of the keys. The 335i that I traded in (on the spot) had 2 fobs but I only had 1 with me.

Since I live 3 hours away, I told him I'd "slip it in the mail right away." But now that all documents are signed I really don't feel compelled to send the key to my old 335i back to the dealer. What I'd LIKE to do is reprogram my 335i key fob to work with the new M3. Can this be done by a dealer? My 335i HAD comfort access and as I said, the new one doesn't.

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It won't work.

Don't be jerk... mail the key back to the dealer.

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What I'd LIKE to do is reprogram my 335i key fob to work with the new M3. Can this be done by a dealer? My 335i HAD comfort access and as I said, the new one doesn't.
Bad plan. The CA fobs have an owner-replaceable button-cell battery. The non-CA fobs contain a not-so-easily-replaced rechargeable battery and recharge it while in the ignition slot. Attempting to recharge (non-CA) a non-rechargeable (CA) battery is generally a Bad Idea™. (Actually, it probably wouldn't be able to even try to recharge it as the hardware is different.) Apart from all that, it just won't work. Plus the fob from your 335 won't have the key blade that fits the lock on your M3, so why bother?

Just be a mensch and send the 2nd 335i key to the dealer, and fork over for the spare key if you need one....
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Thanks everyone for the responses...I suppose I'll mail it back.

As far as having a conscience, I get what you are saying. BUT two things, the dealer also neglected to do the paperwork correctly in two spots. One being the registration costs for the vehicle, which I actually questioned at the time. While I was signing the papers, the dealer assured me "we contract a service that quotes all this information for us. If these figures turn out to be incorrect, they eat the cost." Well, the day after I bought my car, the dealer called and very sheepishly asked for another $400+ because of their error. I didn't raise a stink (on either issue), so I rationalized that keeping the key was me being fair.

Hey, I'm not perfect.

I'll send the key back with the corrected paperwork that I was kind enough to re-sign!
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When I bought my 2010 335d (a couple of months ago), it only had one key. The dealer said they'd send me another. They did, in the next couple of days. Overnight priority mail, no less (talk about good service)! Then, last week, I got another in the mail, again overnighted. Now I've got 3 keyfobs for my car. I guess I'll just hold on to the extra in case one gets lost... Performance BMW in Chapel Hill, NC. I've got to say: great service.
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Thanks everyone for the responses...I suppose I'll mail it back.

As far as having a conscience, I get what you are saying. BUT two things, the dealer also neglected to do the paperwork correctly in two spots. One being the registration costs for the vehicle, which I actually questioned at the time. While I was signing the papers, the dealer assured me "we contract a service that quotes all this information for us. If these figures turn out to be incorrect, they eat the cost." Well, the day after I bought my car, the dealer called and very sheepishly asked for another $400+ because of their error. I didn't raise a stink (on either issue), so I rationalized that keeping the key was me being fair.

Hey, I'm not perfect.

I'll send the key back with the corrected paperwork that I was kind enough to re-sign!
I had a situation once where I made a deal on a BMW and a couple of weeks later got a call asking for additional money for the registration. I told them there was no way in hell I would send another penny. For all I knew it was just for more profit. The explanation was similar to what you got. The resolution was they refunded the $150 I had paid and sent the information to my local DMV where I titled and registered the car myself for less than 100 bucks.
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I had a situation once where I made a deal on a BMW and a couple of weeks later got a call asking for additional money for the registration. I told them there was no way in hell I would send another penny. For all I knew it was just for more profit. The explanation was similar to what you got. The resolution was they refunded the $150 I had paid and sent the information to my local DMV where I titled and registered the car myself for less than 100 bucks.
I'm off-topic, but this is good information. Turns out Iowa has an online calculator that tells you what your registration should be. In Iowa, it's based on your birthday and original MSRP. Based on my birthday year, I am 3 months in..meaning I should only pay for NINE months of registration.

The Iowa website calculator tells me the bill for a 2008 M3 is $588. 9 months pro-rated would be ~$441. The dealer is wanting $610!!!! Needless to say, I have placed a call into the GM and the Business Office is going under the bus in grand fashion.

I will take your advice and ask them to refund what I already have paid and will take care of it myself.
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One option would be to get the fob from Tischler (or some other discounter) and then have the dealer program it.
Nobody called me on this because you guys are all too damn nice. But, as it turns out, you can't just mail order a blank fob. Duh! That would make it really easy for would-be-thieves.
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Sorry to bump an old thread, but I thought it would be better than cluttering the board. I'm also in the market for a replacement key and got quoted $215 for key+programming. They said that it would automatically be programmed. I was wondering about the third key problem too(I had two but misplaced one), wouldn't the dealership also need deactivate that key, otherwise how would the computer know which one to lock out?
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The car has key memory. For instance when key #1 unlocks the car, the car recognizes the key and adjusts settings accordingly, if necessary. If car #2 unlocks it, it adjusts the seats, mirrors, radio, etc. etc. I imagine the car only has room for 2 keys in the memory so I wouldn't worry about your lost key. My car wasn't supplied with the valet key (which is probably 'out there' somewhere), but I am not concerned with the possibility that a thief has it and can find me to take the vehicle. (I know, I know Challenge Accepted Meme incoming...)
No problem bumping an old thread, but perhaps you missed this. When the dealer programs the new key, the car will only respond to the two keys it has the program for. It won't recognize that third, missing key anymore. This is probably why it is so expensive. You don't just program the key, you program the car, too. It's not like your key has a password to your car to open it. The key has a unique identifier and the car needs to be programmed to know that this UID should open the car, like a list of acceptable IDs. That list is only big enough for 2 keys, so I wouldn't worry. I don't know for 100% certainty that this is correct, but I'd be willing to wager.
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