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F10 / F11 (2011 - 2016)
The sixth generation of the BMW 5 Series Sedan (F10) was produced from 2011 - 2016 with LCI updates arriving in 2014. In the US BMW offered a hatchback 5 Series Gran Truismo (F07) and the rest of the world also go a Station Wagon/Touring version F11.

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Wheel Torque?

Plan to rotate my tires tomorrow. Checked my owners manual, no luck. Did a Google search and found readings from 88 to 103 lb ft. What is the correct torque? Thanks.

Also, what is the recommended rotation pattern? I have a square setup with OEM Continental runflats. Wear appears to be pretty even. I have 9K miles on the tires. First rotation.
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100 is the torque that I apply. No issues.
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100 is the torque that I apply. No issues.
100 ft lb is close enough ... clean threads / no lubrication. While you have the wheels off apply a light coating of wheel grease on the hub where it meets the rim to prevent binding.

If you are rotating I recommend front to rear (no x-crossing); that keeps tire rotation in the same direction - preferred for radial tires.
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I use 88 ft lb, per BMW spec.
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Cannot find definitive official BMW guidance online. Did read that BMW increased the recommended torque to 102 lb ft when they switched from 12 mm to 14 mm bolts.

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I made getting this part of my purchase agreement.
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You are da man. And the answer is: 103 lb ft! Well done. Thanks! I will save your pdf.

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Why do t you just go to a Goodyear tire store, they will do tire rotation for free.


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Here's a chart of rotation patterns and another one of tire wear problems from the Interwebs.

I rotated my OEM tires every 7.5k miles. I also measured the tread depths in the circumferential channels and adjusted the pressures accordingly. Here are my tread depths when I got rid on those miserable Goodyear LS2 RFT's at 30.4k miles. I had to overinflate them by almost 20% to get them to wear even. They rode horribly. My Michelin PSS's are overinflated by 15% and ride great. They also make the car handle like a ... oh, I don't know... a BMW.

I tried to sell my old LS2's. The only thing they'd be good for is a lease turn-in. BMW FS requires at least 4/32nds inch of tread and tires of the same type and quality as those that came on the car.

Rotating tires is much easier with a spare to use as a place holder.

I wouldn't let the tire apes at a Goodyear store anywhere near my car. Right off the top of my head, I can think of a dozen ways they can damage a nice shiny BMW. I take my ten year old Cobalt to the BMW dealership for tire work.
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Not where I live plus I wouldn't be comfortable letting them do it.
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Here's a chart of rotation patterns and another one of tire wear problems from the Interwebs.

I rotated my OEM tires every 7.5k miles. I also measured the tread depths in the circumferential channels and adjusted the pressures accordingly. Here are my tread depths when I got rid on those miserable Goodyear LS2 RFT's at 30.4k miles. I had to overinflate them by almost 20% to get them to wear even. They rode horribly. My Michelin PSS's are overinflated by 15% and ride great. They also make the car handle like a ... oh, I don't know... a BMW.

I tried to sell my old LS2's. The only thing they'd be good for is a lease turn-in. BMW FS requires at least 4/32nds inch of tread and tires of the same type and quality as those that came on the car.

Rotating tires is much easier with a spare to use as a place holder.

I wouldn't let the tire apes at a Goodyear store anywhere near my car. Right off the top of my head, I can think of a dozen ways they can damage a nice shiny BMW. I take my ten year old Cobalt to the BMW dealership for tire work.
Thanks. I think I am going to switch them front to rear and rear to front on the same axle. Luckily I have a friend with a lift so it will be a piece of cake. Thanks again for all the help.
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Using the RWD/AWD cross pattern for rotation will diminish feathering. You can feel mild feathering by sliding you hand along the tread. It will feel rougher in once direction and less so in the other direction.

Most cars have a little bit of toe-in in the front for stability. This, and to a lesser degree, the torque applied to the driven wheels, causes feathering. Feathering can eventually damage the tread blocks, especially if the tires are being abused, and especially on all-season tires because the tread blocks flex more.

50 years ago, you couldn't change the rotation direction of radial tires. So, you had to keep them on the same side of the car. But, they solved that problem a long time ago.

There are always differences in wear for each of the four positions due to slight alignment differences and driving habits (e .g. taking more hard left turns than right turns). The cross pattern will get the wear in all four tires almost identical after four stints (each tire in each position once). Because the tires will have almost identical wear, you can skip the fourth rotation (between the fourth and fifth stint).
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I don't think my tires are directional so I can use the AWD pattern. Good info.

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Directional tires are going out of vogue, being replaced by asymmetric tires (with an inside and an outside).

The old Camaros and Firebirds had Goodyear tires that were staggered, directional, and asymmetric. So, each of the four tires was unique.
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Yep. I have Conti DWSO6 on my Corvette. I know they are asymmetric. Not sure about the Contis on my F10.

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