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Old 02-13-2015, 07:44 AM
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My 535 will be here next week. It is replacing a 2012 528.

Is the power difference noticable? What should I expect?
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Old 02-13-2015, 08:02 AM
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I'm on my 2nd F10 535i. This week I had another 328i loaner and was underwhelmed. I can't imagine driving the larger and heavier F10 with the N20 engine and being happy. There is a huge difference in power and refinement. You will be very happy. BTW, my other 2 BMW's were an E46 330i and E90 335i, both 6MT. I never had the "lowest" engine in a BMW, so maybe my standards for satisfaction are higher.
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Old 02-13-2015, 08:52 AM
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Good luck with it. When I went from my 328 to my 335, after the thrill of the slight increase in power wore off for me, that some of the newer features included with the LCI kept me happy for the rest of our time together. I am sure you will love your new LCI car
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Old 02-13-2015, 09:13 AM
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I have been very under impressed with the 528, especially after picking up the new F15 for my wife in December.

Hoping some of the refined feel of the 2015 F15 is in the 2015 F10.
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Old 02-13-2015, 09:25 AM
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I have been very under impressed with the 528, especially after picking up the new F15 for my wife in December.

Hoping some of the refined feel of the 2015 F15 is in the 2015 F10.
That's a smart idea. I always feel if you're not happy with something change it! Life's too short to spend time with things you don't love. Hopefully you'll love your new 535!
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Old 02-13-2015, 09:32 AM
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I have the 2011 528 and the I6 so I do enjoy the drive with the N52. You should love the 6 cylinders on the 535 and it's smoothness.
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Old 02-13-2015, 10:40 AM
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My 535 will be here next week. It is replacing a 2012 528.

Is the power difference noticable? What should I expect?
Plus
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+ Moderate upgrade in power (not very apparent in city traffic IMO)
+ Noticeable improvement in refinement and engine sound

Minus
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- Moderate downgrade in fuel economy (30+ MPG in highway driving is still possible in 535i)

BMW is renowned for their buttery smooth straight sixes and I'm sure you'll enjoy the overall experience.
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Old 02-13-2015, 10:58 AM
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Plus
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+ Moderate upgrade in power (not very apparent in city traffic IMO)
+ Noticeable improvement in refinement and engine sound

BMW is renowned for their buttery smooth straight sixes and I'm sure you'll enjoy the overall experience.
I beg to differ with point #1. I think the difference is more noticed in city driving, stop/start, acceleration from stops and coming out of turns. At highway speeds, at a constant speed, there is probably less difference. The N20, even though a turbo, is a 4 and acts just like a 4. The turbo boost, in my experience, is not nearly as pronounced as that of the N55. Meaning, you still wait for acceleration to occur, and even though the torque curve of the turbo may be flatter than a normal 4, I still found it very lacking in pick-up and overall "power feel" (i.e., torque) even in the 328i. Other than that, the noise, vibration and other characterstics of a typical 4-cylinder don't fit well, especially in a 5-series. I actually felt very bad about having the 4 even in the 3-series, it just isn't "right", and is a huge step down from the N52. The difference in refinement is a huge factor, especially in this level of car. I could never own a 4-cylinder BMW, and I hope they keep some version of a 6 for many years to come.
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Old 02-13-2015, 02:48 PM
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I beg to differ with point #1. I think the difference is more noticed in city driving, stop/start, acceleration from stops and coming out of turns. At highway speeds, at a constant speed, there is probably less difference. The N20, even though a turbo, is a 4 and acts just like a 4. The turbo boost, in my experience, is not nearly as pronounced as that of the N55. Meaning, you still wait for acceleration to occur, and even though the torque curve of the turbo may be flatter than a normal 4, I still found it very lacking in pick-up and overall "power feel" (i.e., torque) even in the 328i. Other than that, the noise, vibration and other characterstics of a typical 4-cylinder don't fit well, especially in a 5-series. I actually felt very bad about having the 4 even in the 3-series, it just isn't "right", and is a huge step down from the N52. The difference in refinement is a huge factor, especially in this level of car. I could never own a 4-cylinder BMW, and I hope they keep some version of a 6 for many years to come.
markl53,

1. I drove a 528i and 535i back-to-back and did not feel the extra power of N55 in typically clogged city streets of the Bay Area. But merging into freeway or accelerating from 60 to 80 was where 535i outshone 528i.

2. I totally agree about lack of refinement in N20 vs N52/N55. Coming from a 2011 328i, I was rather disappointed when I test drove a 2012 328i. N20 has more power but lacks the velvety smoothness of a well designed straight-six. Of course, I took a heavy beating when I mentioned that in the F30 forum.

After Volvo quit, BMW is the only mainstream manufacturer with a straight-six, and I too sincerely hope they keep it in their lineup for years to come.
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Old 02-13-2015, 03:41 PM
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Imagine, there exists a BMW 520i also....
And they are sold.
Who would buy that?
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Old 02-14-2015, 06:19 AM
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1. I drove a 528i and 535i back-to-back and did not feel the extra power of N55 in typically clogged city streets of the Bay Area. But merging into freeway or accelerating from 60 to 80 was where 535i outshone 528i.
I agree, in the city, acceleration of both car is very close. Although the 535i sounds much better doing it. On the highway is where the engine difference manifest itself. Try to merge onto a highway on a short onramp or do some high speed passing with a loaded 528i, you will know you are in a 4 cylinder car.
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Old 02-14-2015, 06:31 AM
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Imagine, there exists a BMW 520i also....
And they are sold.
Who would buy that?
My wife bought a 2014 320i because she did not want to spend the extra money on a 328i. She really regrets it because of its lack of power and is now looking at taking the hit and trading up tor a 335i.
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Old 02-14-2015, 09:30 AM
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Guess I'll be the voice of dissent. Went from a 335 to a 528 and don't really miss the n55. Only thing I miss is the zf 6. The 8 speed annoys me in stop and go traffic with its constant need to downshift to 1st for no good reason. Also thought the 6 shifted more smoothly in manual mode.. Never seemed flumoxed like the 8 does. Unfortunately a 535 would be the same.

Have yet to find a situation where the car feels underpowered though. I do notice and appreciate the lighter feeling front end vs my 335 however. Helps a big car feel a bit more nimble. I'd still like better on center steering feel and less body roll however (even with sport suspension). perfect 5 series for me would be the m5 chassis with the 4 cyl engine perhaps. Also, the f10 is so smooth and quiet that I like the slightly edgier, zinger sound of the 4 - kind of serves as an interesting contrast. I haven't liked any flavors of f30 that I've tried.

But I realize I'm in the minority here. Most seem to adore the n55 + zf8 om. Maybe it also helps that I don't have xdrive or regularly carry 4 adult men
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Old 02-14-2015, 09:57 AM
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Guess I'll be the voice of dissent. Went from a 335 to a 528 and don't really miss the n55. Only thing I miss is the zf 6. The 8 speed annoys me in stop and go traffic with its constant need to downshift to 1st for no good reason. Also thought the 6 shifted more smoothly in manual mode.. Never seemed flumoxed like the 8 does. Unfortunately a 535 would be the same.
Not true about the 535 with the 8 speed... The transmission is tuned differently in the 535 as with the 300 pounds of torque at most of the power band, the transmission does not have to downshift as often. Plus when it does downshift, there is not that dramatic up shift in horsepower and torque that you are talking about which makes the gear change more noticeable. The transmission is very smooth and a welcomed feature on the 535i even on aggressive acceleration or on a moderate to relaxed acceleration.
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Old 02-14-2015, 10:15 AM
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Not true about the 535 with the 8 speed... The transmission is tuned differently in the 535 as with the 300 pounds of torque at most of the power band, the transmission does not have to downshift as often. Plus when it does downshift, there is not that dramatic up shift in horsepower and torque that you are talking about which makes the gear change more noticeable. The transmission is very smooth and a welcomed feature on the 535i even on aggressive acceleration or on a moderate to relaxed acceleration.

Haven't driven a 535 in traffic to try it first hand. But if you're saying that it starts in 2nd, that might be enough to get me to get the 6 next time. Never thought such a small thing would drive me nuts.
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Some people are going to notice a difference more than other, but one thing that was very apparent to me when driving the 528 vs. the 535 is how much harder the engine has to work to get the same result. It just has to work harder and I really noticed that. It detracts from the luxurious feel of the car.

I really think you will love the 535.
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Have yet to find a situation where the car feels underpowered though.......
Some of us still take family driving vacations (as a retired ATC I am loathe to fly anymore....Know too much...). I-70 in western Colorado demands all the power a car can muster. Altitude is a power killer and is exasperated on a loaded car. When the car is loaded the extra power is more than just handy.

Can't have too much horsepower!!!!!
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Not true about the 535 with the 8 speed... The transmission is tuned differently in the 535 as with the 300 pounds of torque at most of the power band, the transmission does not have to downshift as often. Plus when it does downshift, there is not that dramatic up shift in horsepower and torque that you are talking about which makes the gear change more noticeable. The transmission is very smooth and a welcomed feature on the 535i even on aggressive acceleration or on a moderate to relaxed acceleration.
+100. I can't imagine a smoother performing powertrain than either of my 2 F10 535i's. A sublime integrated performance. My '14 is even better since they fixed the rolling stop jerk issue. There must be a big difference in the 528i.
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Some of us still take family driving vacations (as a retired ATC I am loathe to fly anymore....Know too much...). I-70 in western Colorado demands all the power a car can muster. Altitude is a power killer and is exasperated on a loaded car. When the car is loaded the extra power is more than just handy.



Can't have too much horsepower!!!!!

With the turbos in current bmws altitude should be less of a factor
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+100. I can't imagine a smoother performing powertrain than either of my 2 F10 535i's. A sublime integrated performance. My '14 is even better since they fixed the rolling stop jerk issue. There must be a big difference in the 528i.

At some point I'd like to test drive a 535 in stop and go traffic to see if the particular annoyance I have with the zf8 is there. I think you've said before that the 535 starts in 1st as well? If so, that's part of it. If not, I'll definitely get a 535 next time! Then again, the money might be better spent on active cruise in my case
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At some point I'd like to test drive a 535 in stop and go traffic to see if the particular annoyance I have with the zf8 is there. I think you've said before that the 535 starts in 1st as well? If so, that's part of it. If not, I'll definitely get a 535 next time! Then again, the money might be better spent on active cruise in my case
Yes it starts in 1st, and I wouldn't have it any other way. No issues starting in 1st. I'm not sure about how you said your 528i shifts down to 1st. Is this at speed, or like 2 mph?
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528i vs 535

I'm probably in the minority as well. The 535i is a great balance and you will be happy for sure. I traded in my 2011 550i for a 2012 528i because of the engines issues. I didn't see much difference with the 528i and 535i. I don't mind engine note of the 528. One thing that is 100% true is the 4 banger is reliable compared to that that 2011-2013 V8. But the 535i is 6cyl is a great engine and you should have zero issues.

But personally I love the 528i. I had a 328i loaner while the 550 was in the shop and the 528 is totally a different car. The engine is very strong so not sure about merging issues. Put your foot to the floor and your at 60mph in 6 seconds. My former 2015 Genesis Htrac v6 didn't even do that with its 300hp. Overall I think given the 528 is a bit lighter and more nimble and driving around town (which I do mostly) it is fun and has the power I need. On the highway you can cruise at 85 with interior cabin as quiet as the 550 and 535.

I swapped out the stock 17" 327 rims for a nice set of 19" style 366 and the car handles amazing now and looks as super sporty.

Bottom line the 5 series is just an awesome car and the 535 is probably the best all around solution for value (great looks and performance). I should have left those unrefined Korean knock-offs years ago. Finally glad I made the move.
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