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Old 02-11-2011, 06:45 AM
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Any ideas for changes coming for 2012 model?

Just curious since that is going to be my car. I hope they keep the deep sea blue metallic. And the 6 speed manual in the 535. I'm already planning my european trip to go get my first 5 series. I'm stepping up from my first 3 series.
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Old 02-11-2011, 06:51 AM
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Just curious since that is going to be my car. I hope they keep the deep sea blue metallic. And the 6 speed manual in the 535. I'm already planning my european trip to go get my first 5 series. I'm stepping up from my first 3 series.
careful about stepping up, guys like quackberry could berate you. i'm not sure what will be new, the full information box will be an option certainly. pretty sure they will not be changing DSB or 6 speed.
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Old 02-11-2011, 06:59 AM
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Hopefully they don't do something like add a string of LED fog lights. Something simple they can do to follow everyone else in the market, and at the same time quickly announce to the world that your F10 is a 2011 and not a 2012.
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Old 02-11-2011, 11:33 AM
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Hopefully they don't do something like add a string of LED fog lights. Something simple they can do to follow everyone else in the market
Absolutelt! The very fact that the F10 doesn't have those really common LED lights and instead has the classier halo rings is great as far as I'm concerned!
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Absolutelt! The very fact that the F10 doesn't have those really common LED lights and instead has the classier halo rings is great as far as I'm concerned!
Given what they appear to have done with the 2012 650i, I begin to wonder if the design is going to conform to the industry trends.
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Have you noticed that many of the audis with LED lights have been out on one side in A5s and A 6s
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My bet is no changes for 2012. Maybe a modest price increase.
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A spare tire space would be awesome.

Also, be careful in your thoughts about the 5-series being a "step up." From a luxury and creature feature perspective it is, but a 3-series is WAY more fun to drive.
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I'm waiting for the 2012 as well. All we can figure is it'll have at least the March '11 options included. Otherwise I have not seen any information on 2012 features or designs released publicly yet.
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A spare tire space would be awesome.

Also, be careful in your thoughts about the 5-series being a "step up." From a luxury and creature feature perspective it is, but a 3-series is WAY more fun to drive.
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careful about stepping up, guys like quackberry could berate you. .
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A spare tire space would be awesome.

Also, be careful in your thoughts about the 5-series being a "step up." From a luxury and creature feature perspective it is, but a 3-series is WAY more fun to drive.
Yes I know...but for 2 adults and an 8 year old boy who is tall and sometimes we drive another couple around, the 3 series is a bit cramped. If it were just me I'd keep the 3 series as it's a blast to drive. The 5 series makes more sense as a family sedan but I'll still keep it sporty...stick, sport package, tint etc.
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The guy who posted that has an axe to grind. I think he is bitter because of all the tire problems he has had. On another thread, someone asked for thoughts comparing the 550 and the M3. This fellow was incensed that solstice, enigma, FastMarkA, myself and a couple others offered our thoughts that the M3 is worthy of consideration. Although the M3 is a totally different car than the 550, it excels in some areas where the 550 does not (and vice versa).

highyo is convinced that his car is the best ever made, and anyone who suggests that there are other alternatives is a moron.

From what you've said above, the F10 sounds like a great choice, especially with the MT. Many of the F10 complaints revolve around steering feel, and the conventional wisdom on this board is that the xDrive steering "feels" better than the RWD. So you should do yourself a favor and try both.

If you can wait a little while, it might also be good to drive an F30 before you commit. It will definitely be bigger than your E9X. The big question is whether the steering and driving dynamics will be more like the current 3 series or the F10.

BTW the DSB is awesome. Love it on my X5, and would probably order it on the F10 (where I think it looks even better), except I'm afraid having 2 DSB's in the garage might show a certain lack of imagination.
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(From what you've said above, the F10 sounds like a great choice, especially with the MT. Many of the F10 complaints revolve around steering feel, and the conventional wisdom on this board is that the xDrive steering "feels" better than the RWD. So you should do yourself a favor and try both.

If you can wait a little while, it might also be good to drive an F30 before you commit. It will definitely be bigger than your E9X. The big question is whether the steering and driving dynamics will be more like the current 3 series or the F10.)

Agree with the above. Although I will likely end up with an F10 (and have not driven an M3), I was have been drawn to the 3 series. Saw a 3 vert (non M) yesterday, sat in it and thought to not rule it out until the F30 comes out. If the 3 is just a bit larger..... One of my associates has a 3, and you immediately feel the difference in ride quality (not as smooth). There is always a comprimise to be made if you think you can get it all in one car. The F10 is up there in the " I want it to be all things all of the time" with the 550 engine,, x-drive, and DHP (sans the interim issues with steering) in my opinion. Driving the cars is the only way you can make a decision. If you could test drive them for a month each........Need to find an M.

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The guy who posted that has an axe to grind. I think he is bitter because of all the tire problems he has had. On another thread, someone asked for thoughts comparing the 550 and the M3. This fellow was incensed that solstice, enigma, FastMarkA, myself and a couple others offered our thoughts that the M3 is worthy of consideration. Although the M3 is a totally different car than the 550, it excels in some areas where the 550 does not (and vice versa).

highyo is convinced that his car is the best ever made, and anyone who suggests that there are other alternatives is a moron.

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Actually, if you read the posts, the first person to post that the "step up" might not be one was not HiYo.
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Saw a 3 vert (non M) yesterday, sat in it and thought to not rule it out until the F30 comes out. If the 3 is just a bit larger..... One of my associates has a 3, and you immediately feel the difference in ride quality (not as smooth). There is always a comprimise to be made if you think you can get it all in one car. The F10 is up there in the " I want it to be all things all of the time" with the 550 engine,, x-drive, and DHP (sans the interim issues with steering) in my opinion. Driving the cars is the only way you can make a decision. If you could test drive them for a month each........Need to find an M.
The vert loses a lot of rear room due to the folding hardtop. My 15 year old daughter (5'2") is comfortable riding in the back, her twin brother (5'9" and growing) is not. But both would be fine riding in the back of an M3 sedan. From early reports, I expect the F30 to be even more spacious, probably on par with an E93.

There is a huge difference in ride quality between the standard 3 series and the M3, as the suspension design is different. If you go over to the E9X boards, you will see lots of threads about the "explosion" over potholes on the standard models, which is absent on the M's. Reading the experience of long-time 'Fester Captain Audio would give anyone pause.

The crazy thing is that with the current BMWFS lease deals, you can lease an M3 for almost the same monthly cost as a 335, and it's not only a better performing car, but a more comfortable ride as well. Go figure. (Though the fact that the M's eschew RFT's no doubt helps).

I agree that some minor tweaks to the steering, the addition of a factory spare and losing the RFT's would make the F10 a very satisfying car for all purposes. Luckily, I have the X5's to fill the family hauler / expressway crawler roles, so I can have another car with a higher fun quotient.
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Is there any chance that the 2012's will be available without RFT's and a spare tire?

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The guy who posted that has an axe to grind. I think he is bitter because of all the tire problems he has had. On another thread, someone asked for thoughts comparing the 550 and the M3. This fellow was incensed that solstice, enigma, FastMarkA, myself and a couple others offered our thoughts that the M3 is worthy of consideration. Although the M3 is a totally different car than the 550, it excels in some areas where the 550 does not (and vice versa).

highyo is convinced that his car is the best ever made, and anyone who suggests that there are other alternatives is a moron.

From what you've said above, the F10 sounds like a great choice, especially with the MT. Many of the F10 complaints revolve around steering feel, and the conventional wisdom on this board is that the xDrive steering "feels" better than the RWD. So you should do yourself a favor and try both.

If you can wait a little while, it might also be good to drive an F30 before you commit. It will definitely be bigger than your E9X. The big question is whether the steering and driving dynamics will be more like the current 3 series or the F10.

BTW the DSB is awesome. Love it on my X5, and would probably order it on the F10 (where I think it looks even better), except I'm afraid having 2 DSB's in the garage might show a certain lack of imagination.
i have never once said that the m3 is unworthy, please show me a quote anywhere where i say that buying an M3 is moronic. i love M3s, in fact it has been my favorite car since i was a teenager. But your erotic attachment to your car is comical and creepy at the same time. I believe that yes, the F10 is the best car ever made. Even though i am having such a horrrrible time with my tires. but hey, $1500 bucks and on tuesday i'll be in the pink again. as it relates to how much i love this car, i think many on this post will agree. again, show me where i said buying an M3 is moronic? i laid out very good points and opinions in relation to the m3 vs f10 debate, and am passionate about my opinion. but i would never say that the M3 is unworthy.

you are right about having an axe to grind though. i have an axe to grind with you quackberry because i think you are a bully and you are condescending at every turn. i also think you are passive aggressive and quite womanly. you are not as smart as you believe yourself to be, and your delivery is unwelcome and unnecessary

please don't misunderstand me, i do not like you in the slightest.
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The crazy thing is that with the current BMWFS lease deals, you can lease an M3 for almost the same monthly cost as a 335, and it's not only a better performing car, but a more comfortable ride as well. Go figure.
In fact, a fully loaded M3 convertible, which is more than a fully loaded 550i, is hundreds less a month due to the current lease rates from BMWFS. That is partially what drove me to the M3 over the 550i - that and the fact the M3 was deep into its production cycle and less prone to the freshman issues that the F10 may have. When my M3 lease is up (as well as the last NA V8), I would take a good look at a F10. I traded some space for fun and do not have the need for the additional inches for car seats or basketball players.

Maybe then it will also have real tires instead of those Flintstone relics

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The vert loses a lot of rear room due to the folding hardtop. My 15 year old daughter (5'2") is comfortable riding in the back, her twin brother (5'9" and growing) is not. But both would be fine riding in the back of an M3 sedan. From early reports, I expect the F30 to be even more spacious, probably on par with an E93.

There is a huge difference in ride quality between the standard 3 series and the M3, as the suspension design is different. If you go over to the E9X boards, you will see lots of threads about the "explosion" over potholes on the standard models, which is absent on the M's. Reading the experience of long-time 'Fester Captain Audio would give anyone pause.

The crazy thing is that with the current BMWFS lease deals, you can lease an M3 for almost the same monthly cost as a 335, and it's not only a better performing car, but a more comfortable ride as well. Go figure. (Though the fact that the M's eschew RFT's no doubt helps).

I agree that some minor tweaks to the steering, the addition of a factory spare and losing the RFT's would make the F10 a very satisfying car for all purposes. Luckily, I have the X5's to fill the family hauler / expressway crawler roles, so I can have another car with a higher fun quotient.
Love my X5. New models are even better. Can the M3 be used as a car that can accomodate adults in the back (non-vert). On occasion I need to drive others for business purposes. Usually not more than three for a total of four. I like the look of the coupe better than the sedan which would make it more difficult I expect. May need to post over on the M3 forum as don't want to get off track anyfurther here.
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Is there any chance that the 2012's will be available without RFT's and a spare tire?

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And hopefully will not change from a V8 option.
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Can the M3 be used as a car that can accomodate adults in the back (non-vert). On occasion I need to drive others for business purposes.
The sedan for sure, coupes are always tougher, mostly due to the access. Best way is to sit in both and see - since M3's are scarcer at dealers lots, any current 3 series will do.
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