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X3 F25 (2011 - current)
The latest X3 brings some added style and some new features to the BMW SUV family. Talk about the new F25 now!

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Old 02-16-2011, 04:13 AM
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BMW Bad Strategy?

I'm still very happy with our 07, but does anyone else think BMW blew it by not making the X3 available with the d motor? I don't understand their strategy, the 3 series sedan seems like the least appropriate choice for that motor. The X3, X5 and 5 series are much better fits. Anyway, I might have been motivated to give a closer look to the F25 if the d engine was available, but after a once over at the auto show, it's not worth it as is.
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Old 02-16-2011, 04:51 AM
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I'm still very happy with our 07, but does anyone else think BMW blew it by not making the X3 available with the d motor? I don't understand their strategy, the 3 series sedan seems like the least appropriate choice for that motor. The X3, X5 and 5 series are much better fits. Anyway, I might have been motivated to give a closer look to the F25 if the d engine was available, but after a once over at the auto show, it's not worth it as is.

Ah yes but they have the really cool X6 to sell. *snark*....Agreed with one addition.

No MT? Let's see they make the MT here in the US, but can't sell it here?
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Old 02-16-2011, 07:32 AM
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They have blown it so far, still holding out hope.
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Old 02-16-2011, 07:33 AM
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Do a search on the multiple "Why aren't there diesels in the US" threads in this X3 section........or just scroll down the page.

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=516822

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=495404

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=510941

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Old 02-16-2011, 07:57 AM
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They now "make" all the X-car diesels and MT's here and don't sell any in the north american market. Sad. Maybe next year we will get the 3.5d when the X5 moves up to the 4.0d.
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Old 02-16-2011, 08:33 AM
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I heard that there will be a dismal option for the X3 next year.

Im in the same boat with the MT. This will be my first AT car, and it's not an easy pill to swallow. But I needed a car this size and the alternatives were not really alternatives.
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Old 02-17-2011, 08:31 AM
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The Porsche Cayenne V6 (300 hp) comes with a slick 6 speed stick standard. It is a bit higher but also has a lot of standard content (i.e. leather etc.). Close to the same size now and certainly has the cachet (if that matters to anyone) of a BMW X3.
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Old 02-17-2011, 09:39 AM
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Well just drove the new X3 35 again yesterday and my impressions have diminished. Yes it is fast, very fast, but there is no road feel. I dropped my X3 off yesterday for the ticking lifter problem that seems more common than not ( part is back ordered).

I was able to drive the same roads that I had just driven on the way in. The 35 had no road feel. Seemed like it was going to roll over in the turns, and kind of slid from lane to lane.

Yes it was very comfortable and again very fast, but it just didn't have that "BMW" feel that I have grown accustomed to.

I keep hearing that the DHP may adjust for that, but problem is that no one has one to drive. The dealer looked it up for me and only one in Boston and one in S.C.

I like to take risks, but not $50k risks. So when one comes around I will drive it and decide on getting one or not. Until then, my alternative will be to stick to my 2008 MT that I know handles well under hard cornering and lane changes and lean even more toward the custom exhaust and throttle body for added 30 bhp.

Honestly the new cup holder position is pretty much all the current X3 offers right now. For me that is. And not worth $50k.
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Old 02-17-2011, 05:03 PM
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You can blame the soft ride on all the people who complained about the "bone jarring ride".
The DHP may be the answer but the jury is still out on that.

I am puzzled by the lack of MT option since they are making it here anyway.
I could understand if they decided not to make it at all But since they are making it (and in the U.S. at that) what's the harm in offering it as an option for us?
Especially since they keep bragging about all the customization available with the new model.

I can't help but feel like they marketing to a different demographic.
I am keeping my E83 MT until it dies as I love it. Two years now with zero problems and a great transmission!
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I can't help but feel like they marketing to a different demographic.
Bingo.

The rest of us can just keep our E83s, since they're pretty reliable, less costly to maintain (no battery registration ) than the newer BMWs, and better to drive.

I still haven't gotten down to Charlottesville to try this one with DHP and the heads-up display.

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Old 02-17-2011, 05:18 PM
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Amen brother.

Also, the NA I6 is going to change to a turbo 4 by the end of the year. More bummer.
They probably don't have a choice due to CAFE though.

I'm still curious to test out an X3 35.
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Old 02-19-2011, 08:11 AM
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I suspect the lack of the MT probably has more to do with the cost of certifying the engine transmission combo for emissions since the market is so small in the US than anything else. As for the rest, it is probably true that BMW is going more upmarket because the competition is flooding in behind them with some very competent cars from the Koreans and even the domestics. The vast majority of consumers are not concerned with the "ultimate driving machine" but value comfort, reliability, styling, and above all cost when they make their decision IMHO. Recently I drove a 128 that was a tin can. Yes, it handled well and was quick but the Hyundai Sonata I drove the day before beat it hands down in terms of body quality, interior materials, creature comforts and driving ease. I was surprised to say the least.
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Old 02-19-2011, 08:19 AM
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...the Hyundai Sonata I drove the day before beat it hands down in terms of body quality, interior materials, creature comforts and driving ease. I was surprised to say the least.
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Old 02-19-2011, 10:08 AM
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No more surprised than I was Marc!
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Old 02-19-2011, 10:44 AM
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Just saw another sad bit of news. They are offering 4.9% financing for the new X3. Excuse me but WTF? Even in happy times back in 07 they were offering at 3.9% and some as low as 1.9%.

They keep making it harder and harder to buy one and easier to look elsewhere.

Thought about my drive with the X3 two days ago and it came to me. It was like driving the Q5 with a bit more speed. Just as lumbering, no real road feel, and goofy features I don't need.

Seems to me that the more vehicles I drive (other than my X3), the more I appreciate having my MT.

Instead of leading the pack lately they seem to be following it.
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Just saw another sad bit of news. They are offering 4.9% financing for the new X3. Excuse me but WTF? Even in happy times back in 07 they were offering at 3.9% and some as low as 1.9%.

They keep making it harder and harder to buy one and easier to look elsewhere.

Thought about my drive with the X3 two days ago and it came to me. It was like driving the Q5 with a bit more speed. Just as lumbering, no real road feel, and goofy features I don't need.

Seems to me that the more vehicles I drive (other than my X3), the more I appreciate having my MT.

Instead of leading the pack lately they seem to be following it.
Where do you think the 1.9% financing comes from? It has to be subsidized using the sales support budget at BMWNA, the same way that they subsidize cheap lease rates. Why would they have to subsidize an all-new product that is doing well for them? Seems fairly basic to me that their all-new product wouldn't need subsidies.
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Now would be even more important as competition is very heavy, the economy isn't that great, the past two years sales were an embarrassment, and its called penetration pricing so as not to let your opponent run the market share. Seems they already are when you look at their sales figures. Audi.

And the more I drive the new X3 the more it seems like a fast Q5.

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Doesn't seem like they're having any trouble moving the new X3. Why offer financing deals when people are happy to get raped? FWIW, I got a 2.9% through my bank.
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Doesn't seem like they're having any trouble moving the new X3. Why offer financing deals when people are happy to get raped? FWIW, I got a 2.9% through my bank.
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One trend that I've seen here lately. X3s are kind of hard to come by (depending on region but where I live, they are). And there seem to be many spectators who want to take it out for a spin in X3s with different options and engines. Meaning, dealers either have to let these brand new cars out for a short test drive or risk not selling them. I wish dealers would stock more of these cars so that they can have dedicated test cars for spectators.

Anyhow, I just picked up 35i yesterday, loaded with preminum, tech, conv, climate, and a few other things.

I've not put too many miles on this car. But my initial impression is that people who like brick handling would not like it too much. My other car, E70X5 with it's dynamic suspension, I can take curves and not feel much of bady squat. In F25X3, I feel the body squat but in a progress way. This does not mean that X3 handles less well though, it just seem to reach its limit in a progressive way vs my X5 staying flat until it slides.

Other cars that I test drove, Inifinity EX35, Audi Q5 3.2, Audi Q5 2.0T, Acura RDX. When all things considered, IMO, is worth every penny. Of course, getting it under INVOICE helps with that impression as well.
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One trend that I've seen here lately. X3s are kind of hard to come by (depending on region but where I live, they are). And there seem to be many spectators who want to take it out for a spin in X3s with different options and engines. Meaning, dealers either have to let these brand new cars out for a short test drive or risk not selling them. I wish dealers would stock more of these cars so that they can have dedicated test cars for spectators.

Anyhow, I just picked up 35i yesterday, loaded with preminum, tech, conv, climate, and a few other things.

I've not put too many miles on this car. But my initial impression is that people who like brick handling would not like it too much. My other car, E70X5 with it's dynamic suspension, I can take curves and not feel much of bady squat. In F25X3, I feel the body squat but in a progress way. This does not mean that X3 handles less well though, it just seem to reach its limit in a progressive way vs my X5 staying flat until it slides.

Other cars that I test drove, Inifinity EX35, Audi Q5 3.2, Audi Q5 2.0T, Acura RDX. When all things considered, IMO, is worth every penny. Of course, getting it under INVOICE helps with that impression as well.
Congrats on the new car! Do you have DHP? If so, what are your thoughts?
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Thanks, I didn't get dhp cause none had that in stock. I think stock susp is fine espacially since the car is relativele light for what it is. I'm detinitely loving the top view as well as led rings. Stock 12 speaker audio sounds better than my x5's stock 12 speakers.
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The Porsche Cayenne V6 (300 hp) comes with a slick 6 speed stick standard. It is a bit higher but also has a lot of standard content (i.e. leather etc.). Close to the same size now and certainly has the cachet (if that matters to anyone) of a BMW X3.
Oh wow...it would be ALOT more to option these cars similarly...you can option the Cayenne (yes the V6 one) to north of 80K...yes leather is standard...but look at the rest of the option sheet, the 50K Cayenne is a complete stripper.
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Not THAT much of a stripper IMHO. I would be very happy with a base Cayenne, just adding a better set of wheels. Actually what I was referring to was the fact that it was one of the last serious SAV/SUV with a standard transmission available in the US.
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I've driven a base Cayenne a few times and I rather like it. The gear box is bullet proof and it handles like a car half that size. There are two things that kept it out of serious contention for me. First, I think it's ugly as hell. Second, the base model felt great on side streets, but when I took it on the highway it felt sluggish and heavy. I'd go for a Cayenne Turbo, but that is WAY out of my copy writer's salary.
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