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Old 02-24-2011, 07:12 PM
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This is what confused me. I thought adaptive xenons were standard issue (they were standard on my E93 328i), so I assumed OP was talking about the High beam assist.

So sorry if I caused confusion.
Well, his statement was a little vague. I figured the dealer quoted him the adaptive thing as "option", you know how they like to make everything sound extra. I guess we're not 100% sure...
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Since you seem to be sensitive to the automatic transmission and its reving, note that the auto on the 335 and the auto on the 328 you're going back to try are two different designs with different characteristics.
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Thanks for all the input. As you can probably tell, I'm not extremely knowledgable on the BMW. Corvettes are actually my area of expertise much more than the 3 series. However, I have really become excited about them since driving one and reading all the great reviews. They come out on top in almost every review and comparison I read. And they just look so darned good to boot.

I haven't done anything yet except to make a mental decision that I'm definitely going to own one of these pretty soon. So, I appreciate all the advice I'm getting and the help of everyone to steer me in the right direction.
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European Delivery? I'm not sure how that works. Do I have to go to Germany and then have the car shipped back to the US? Enlighten me.
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Funny thing about silly options which nobody really needs. You get a few, get used to them, and the next thing you know, you'd never own another car without them. My examples? Comfort access and a heated steering wheel.
SOCIALIST LUDDITE!

Next you'll posit electric windows and door locks as needless extravagance.

Heated seats a fop's delight.

Convertibles a have/have not class division, socially criminal.

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The red/orange glow of the dashboard is a good design. The way I understand it: the pupil of the eye reacts less to the reddish color which allows our night vision to be more acute.
Any sky watcher can tell you: yes.

That end of the visible spectrum is the lowest energy.
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Old 02-25-2011, 01:36 PM
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Thanks for all the input. As you can probably tell, I'm not extremely knowledgable on the BMW. Corvettes are actually my area of expertise much more than the 3 series. However, I have really become excited about them since driving one and reading all the great reviews. They come out on top in almost every review and comparison I read. And they just look so darned good to boot.

I haven't done anything yet except to make a mental decision that I'm definitely going to own one of these pretty soon. So, I appreciate all the advice I'm getting and the help of everyone to steer me in the right direction.
I presume you own a Corvette, and I'm curious as to whether you will be using both cars, or having the 3 replace the Corvette.

I have a 2006 MT Corvette coupe, and by this time next week I'll also have a new 335ix AT sedan. It's my expectation to keep the Corvette, but I'm curious to see which car I end up getting into most often when I'm by myself or with just one passenger.

I wonder how you plan to balance things . . . any thoughts?
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I'm planning on trading the Corvette in on the BMW. I hardly ever drive the Vette since I don't take it out if it's raining or looks like it could rain before I get home. Stupid, I know, but I've just never driven it in the rain.

Our garage currently houses my wife's Mazda Miata, the Lexus ES and the Corvette. I'm going to trade the Lexus and the Vette in on the BMW. My wife already has the Corvett's garage slot reserved for a new golf cart which she wants to get. We don't play golf, but she wants to drive the grandkids around in it. Go figure.

Let us know which car you decide to keep, if you get rid of one of them.
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Old 02-25-2011, 05:14 PM
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I had a 328i loaner today. Are you determined to have an auto or can you drive a manual. Reason I ask is that the loaner had the AT and it's not a great one (the one in the 335i is in fact great, from what I hear).

Anyway, the 328i engine is plenty fast for most needs in sport mode, which is all the time if you have a manual. I also, though I own a 335i N54, I believe that long term the 328i will be cheaper to own (assuming you keep cars for a while).

If you must have an automatic, get the 335i, IMO. BMW should slap a nice DCT on the 128i and call it a day.

Good luck - they are great cars. My 335i is about 400 miles from out of factory warranty but it's been a real pleasure to own and while it's had some issues to be worked out, those seem to be for now dealt with and all I do is drive it and regular maintenance. At 50K miles, while the suspension is a bit looser and there's a rattle here and there. the car looks and feels brand new inside and out (I don't have kids and park defensively).


EDIT: If you are considering buying new and have something to drive in the meantime, I would strongly consider European Delivery, and then Performance Center redelivery if you have the time. I did Euro delivery and don't think I would buy another new BMW any other way.
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Old 02-25-2011, 05:38 PM
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Hey, John.

Yes, I can drive a manual. In fact, I was thinking about that option. I love the manual in my Corvette, which I'll be trading in for the BMW. So maybe a manual would be a good choice for several reasons.

Even though the European Delivery sounds like a fun option, I don't know that I could afford the airfare and the other costs involved. Although it might even out in the end with the difference in price. I'm not sure. I haven't done a lot of research on that possibility. Anyone with any knowledge on that could certainly post that info and enlighten me.

I'm also considering the 328ix, primarily from a price and value standpoint. This is certainly an exciting time considering all the options and trying to make the right choices.

Thanks for all the comments.

EDIT: How do you like the Titanium Silver? And what do you think of the Black Sapphire? Is that actually a blue?

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Old 02-25-2011, 06:22 PM
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Go for the loaner if the price is right ,remember you have 6 years of warranty which you would not get in a new car.

These cars are made to be driven not to baby them,they are made to be driven on the autobaun.
I got a bought a loaner, 335i sport with 10,000 miles cpo 1 yr ago,after 20,000 miles not a single problem,i still have the original fuel pump and the car is still tight and fun to drive as day one,my wife still does not want to drive anything else.

I think what is most important in owning a BMW long term is the warranty,not if the car had been driven hard a few times and somes this is even good for the engine during the break in period.

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Old 02-25-2011, 06:40 PM
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I think it seems like a steal at 39k. For a 2011? Loaner or not wow. I got a 2008 335 xdrive (fully loaded) with 12k for 34k. Was this fully loaded with NAV and everythig? If so and you get a full warranty how can you go wrong?
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Even though the European Delivery sounds like a fun option, I don't know that I could afford the airfare and the other costs involved. Although it might even out in the end with the difference in price. I'm not sure. I haven't done a lot of research on that possibility. Anyone with any knowledge on that could certainly post that info and enlighten me.
I had never bought a BMW when I decided to do Euro delivery. Once I started finding out about it, and how much could save money-wise and see Germany, etc, it was a no-brainer since I had ample vacation. I made the decision quickly, and am single, so went by myself and only stayed for 4 days so my costs were limited. I probably spent about $800 in airfare and then another few hundred in hotels, food and GERMAN BIER (though not that much because I was driving). I'd do it again in a heartbeat - the key is finding a dealer who knows ED and is willing to make you a good deal on it. Adrian is a sponsor here and happens to be in Atlanta and was a pleasure to deal with and exceeded my expectations when the car came back. Don't do it to save money though - do it for the experience you'll never forget and the thrill of what is now delivery at BMW Welt in Munich (it was a much more low rent experience when I picked mine up). Get a Skymiles or similar credit card NOW and start racking up miles for your trip - I did this too late and had to pay for the flight. If I'd had enough miles it really would have been a cheap trip.


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EDIT: How do you like the Titanium Silver? And what do you think of the Black Sapphire? Is that actually a blue?
I'm bored with the TiAg though it does stay clean. If I was going to deal with black-ish paint it would be Jet Black, but I have no desire to keep a black car looking good in the city. If you love detailing and know you will keep up with it then go for it! If I were buying today it would be with M-Sport package and probably LeMans Blue with gray interior. Silver and black is classic, but again, boring after about 4 years.
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Thanks for your input. You're the first person, I think, who has replied and doesn't have a problem with considering the loaner car. I agree that the warranty should be a safety net that would take care of anything that might go wrong with the car during the warranty period. My thinking is that if I could get a car with 9,000 miles on it, with a $9,000 discount of the new price, along with a full warranty, then that seems like something worth considering. Thanks again for your input.
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If you are getting loaner try and get extended warranty as well. Buying a Loaner is all about luck and dont take chances coz mostly engine and transmission related problems occur after 50k miles.
On side not if you are considering sedan and AT AND you have NOTHING AGAINST DIESEL then take a test drive of diesel brother 335d. I assume diesels still have eco credit and you might get what you want in your budget. With all rebates they sell equivalent to 328 and match 335i in performance with no HPFP failures.
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First of all, I'm really not overly happy about the bright orange instrument panel lights.
They've been a BMW tradition -- probably since those nighttime firebombing raids over the London wharves!

The orange lights annoyed me on a rent-a-Pontiac I had a few years ago. On a BMW, it's one of those things you just need to put up with if you want to clip the apex of every turn to the closest millimeter. As mentioned above, you can get more conventional lighting on an M3. Or on just about every other car from just about every other manufacturer.
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Re: busy tachometer

Is the gear box trying to hunt for the correct gear? Maybe. Only you would know because only you have seen it. But it might be a serious issue if it is.

Ask to test drive a brand new car to compare. See if that tachometer behavior is normal.


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Since it has the extended warranty, I'd go for it. Because the first 9000 miles of its life have probably been rough, you have to price the car accordingly. I'd start with KBB private party, subtract $4-5k for the fact it's a loaner, than add whatever value you think the CPO is worth. That's the final price you'd pay.

Its "true" miles might be more like 20-30k, but that's not a lot for a modern car.
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Well, no....a person should do as he/she pleases.

But to hear a Professor of the modern day instruct that we are addictive to new and developing technology is......huh?......hey......isn't this an undiscussed topic at BimmerFest?

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Hi MBroadway,

I've owned two BMW's - the most recent being the 335i twin turbo (convertible). You may have picked up several posts around here lamenting the high pressure fuel pump (HPFP) failures on these cars. First off, yes - it does happen. While some forum members have little faith that this problem has truly been fixed, in my experience, the newer cars seem to be fine. My car never had a problem with it, and that was after the fuel pump issue was supposed to be fixed. Although some still complained about its failure.

If I were in the market for another 335i would I get one? Absolutely! Having said that, I just ordered a 328i X-Drive sportwagon with the automatic transmission. My other car is a Porsche, MT so I get plenty of gear-rowing, top down experience with that one.

Having come from a C7, you might find the 328i to be lacking in that seat of your pants torque and rapid acceleration you get in your Vette. The 335i is (as you know) a different story. I am perfectly fine with the power of the 328i, but then I get to flog the Porsche whenever I want (and the weather cooperates).

It wasn't clear to me that you have really test driven the 328i. Be sure to do so and see if you are satisfied with that power train. And drive both the automatic and the MT if you can find one! You might have to resort to test driving a used 328i with the MT if they don't have a new one on the lot. You will discover the difference and only you can determine if it's significant enough to change transmissions on that car. The driving experience with an MT in the 335i is another story, too. So - you have options to experiment with.

I do wonder, though, if you have tried out the 135i? It has the same engine and transmission choices as the 335i, but it is a little bit lighter, and a little bit less expensive. It is also a little more tossable than the 3-series due to its size. But if you need a larger car for passengers or "stuff", the 1-series might not make it. I just think coming from a Corvette, you might enjoy the 135i over the 328i.

I will say that driving a BMW is indeed different from so many other cars. The handling dynamics, acceleration, braking, silky smooth powerplants, and the luxury feel of the car are just outstanding.

Check out the 135i and let us know your thoughts! Good luck!

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Just got home with the 335i loaner that i'm considering. I talked the dealership into letting me test drive it today, tomorrow and Monday. It's been raining all day and the temperature has been hovering around 32 degrees, so I didn't put my foot into the accelerator. The original issue with the tachometer wasn't noticeable. It may have been because during the first test drive we were in stop and go traffic around 40-45 mph, or perhaps it was my time and I just happened to look at it when the car was shifting. Anyway, it doesn't appear to be an issue after all.

The car drives nice, although it did pull to the left when I applied the brakes to turn into our neighborhood. As I said, the streets were wet, so that may have been part of the reason, or not. There is one issue that I'm not certain about and that's the brake pedal. My Lexus has no feel to the pedal at all when you step on it. The car just slows down and stops. In the BMW I can feel the brakes. It's almost like a grinding feel and there seems to be a sound associated with it. Maybe the sound is in my head and being sent there by the bottom of my foot feeling the grinding, or whatever the feel is. It's hard to describe.

Also, I thought these cars came with automatic headlight dimming. Perhaps there is an actuation process that I need to go through in order for that to work? If I turn the brights on, they just stay on regardless of what's in front of me. Is there something I need to do to activate it? I did learn that the car has headlight washers that come on when you wash the windshield. And the radio. There's another question. When I change stations, the song plays the first five or six notes, then plays them again and continues on from there. Is that supposed to happen? Can't find an owner's manual to read up on this stuff so you guys are my only resource at this point.

One more question. The bolster or lumbar control circle at the front part of the seat controls. There are four arrows: top, bottom, front, back. What do they do?

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Can't find an owner's manual in the car. Drat the luck. I guess they'll give me one if I buy the car.

Here's a link to the car showing all the options.
http://www.baronbmw.com/details/Used...742349+Merriam

If you click on the Options and Equipment (or whatever that tab is next to Overview is) it will give you the details. It does show Gray Dakota Leather on the Overview, which is what it has, but it also shows Black Leatherette on the Options and Equipment page. Not sure why. The interior is gray and the door panel does have stitching on it, so I'm guessing it's actually leather.

There's one chip in one of the wheels. I don't know if they will replace that or not. The edges of the wheels are fine with no curb rash. Interesting that the 335 has 45 width tires and the 328 has 55. Didn't know that before. I'm actually liking this car more as I explore it, and I can't wait until tomorrow to drive it some more. I know that probably sounds strange.

For all you experienced BMW owners out there, is there anything I should look for or check that the average buyer wouldn't check? It leaves me a little concerned that there's no gauge showing coolant temperature. How would one tell if the engine were overheating? Would the computer give you an alert of some kind? There's an oil pressure gauge, but it doesn't move off the 160 line for five or ten minutes after you start the engine. Maybe that time lapse gets shorter when the outside temperature is above 33 degrees.

Thanks for all the comments and info.

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