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E39 (1997 - 2003)
The BMW 5-Series (E39 chassis) was introduced in the United States as a 1997 model year car and lasted until the 2004 when the E60 chassis was released. The United States saw several variations including the 525i, 528i, 530i and 540i. -- View the E39 Wiki

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Old 03-01-2011, 04:18 PM
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I'm going to replace some gaskets on the front of my 540. valve covers & upper timming covers, and hopefully not anymore below for timing chain guides. Which gaskets should I go with. Three manufacturers: Goetze, Elringklinger or Victor Reinz? Any difference in the materials they are made with or quality?
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When dealing with gasket, whether it is Honda, Toyota or BMW, always always stick to OEM.
I have learned some hard lessons!!!
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Old 03-01-2011, 04:38 PM
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When dealing with gasket, whether it is Honda, Toyota or BMW, always always stick to OEM.
I have learned some hard lessons!!!
Who made the OEM gaskets? Did BMW or did another manufacturer make them and brand label them for BMW?

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When dealing with gasket, whether it is Honda, Toyota or BMW, always always stick to OEM.
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I learned that lesson in Mazda 101 back in the 80's........

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Who made the OEM gaskets? Did BMW or did another manufacturer make them and brand label them for BMW?
Haha, now this is a good question.

In the world of BMW, we know NGK, Bosch make spark plugs for BMW.
Behr makes radiator for BMW.
Sachs make Struts and Clutch etc etc.

But when it comes to gasket, the gasket makers do NOT put their name on the seal, only BMW name (if any). This is because gaskets, unlike struts or radiator, have:
- very low price, a few bucks each ---> low margin of profit
- long lifespan such as 100K miles, so the sales volume is low

In the Volvo 850 forums, many people regret using RMS (Rear Main Seal) made by some xyz company (such as Elring) that leaks again in 20K (while the OEM RMS lasted some 90-110K miles). The Volvo RMS job is a 9-10h job, so you can see where the problem is: labor charge!

So for things like radiator, strut, I use reputable aftermarket makers such as Behr or Sachs mentioned above.

But when it comes to engine seals, whether it is Honda or Toyota or BMW, I use dealer seals because:
- you don't save much going with aftermarket, maybe you save $2-3 here and there, not worth it IMHO.
- you risk another leak that requires a lot of labor charge (either by the mechanic or your own time).

For about 99% of car gaskets (crank, cam, OFH etc. etc.) or seals in any car out there require at least anywhere between 3-10h of labor, so you get the picture!
Use dealer seals only.

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Old 03-02-2011, 08:47 AM
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I used a Victor Reinz VCG when I replaced mine. I've not heard any negative feedback for that brand.
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How many miles do you have on those Victor Reinz gaskets?
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Old 03-09-2011, 11:38 PM
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For the record ...
- How to replace the valve cover gasket (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) & which VCG brand to buy (1) (2)
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I found a local supplier in my town. CarQuest Auto Parts. They source from a company called Worldpack. They have been able to get any part I have needed by the next day with no shipping and good pricing. They also list different manufacturers and which ones are OEM parts.
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How many miles do you have on those Victor Reinz gaskets?
About 6,000.
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did you use any gasket sealant?
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Old 03-11-2011, 08:27 AM
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Yep, just a little dab of Hylomar Blue at each of the angled points around the VANOS.
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Old 03-11-2011, 11:44 AM
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Ive done the valve cover gaskets once using Meistersatz gaskets and leaked with in 1000 miles. I only used alittle gasket sealant on the flat part of the cover gasket. With kinda works out ok cause the upper timing chain cover is leaking along with who knows what else. I should have been a little more thorough the first time.
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They source from a company called Worldpack.
I've used WORLDPAC (they only wholesale, not retail) for gaskets, gasket sets (engine), standard and replacement parts for years with no problems. You need a friend with an account. Probably built 4 different street and race motors using their stuff. They don't have everything but they have a lot of what you need. Most euro indy shops have a worldpac account which is why they get the parts fast and they are from OEM suppliers (if they can't get good wholesale $$ from their local dealers).

For a one time fix ... get the dealer part. Buying a lot, get a friend with an account. :-)

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After seeing the recent threads on this subject, I thought I should update this one with my experience. Whether by my own doing or by the PO's, my valve cover was cracked so the VCG began seeping oil. Since my last post in this thread I've heard a handful of less-than-positive things about the Victor Reinz gasket(s) versus the Genuine BMW one(s), so since the difference in price was negligible, when I replaced the valve cover itself I used a Genuine BMW VCG with it.
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I used a Genuine BMW VCG with it.
Looks like Victor Reinz is deprecated ...

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I discarded my like-new Victor Reinz gaske
This thread today suggests the same:

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DO NOT USE 'Victor Reinz' gasket.

IT has been discussed many times that it will leak soon.

Like this one.
http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthr...875&highlight=

Buy OEM from dealer and you are going to like it.
Trust me, I replaced mine twice this year and no more leak after OEM.
So others benefit from every repair, I'll add to this thread:
- What BMW E39 parts & supplies are most often recommended to buy OEM from a dealer or sponsor (1)

And, cross reference to these:

- How to replace the E39 V8 valve cover gasket (1) (2) (3) (4) (540 pdf) (E38) (E38 pdf) & VCG DIYs for the E39 I6 M54 (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (2004 E46 video) (another E46 video) (yet another E46 video) & which VCG brand to buy (1) (2) & what VCG lubricants to use (1) & how to replace the timing chain tensioner and rail guide on the I6 (1) & on the M62 (1) & on the M62TU (1) (2) (3)
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I saw CN90's post, but I also saw a post today, over here, which implied that the gasket manufacturer does print their name on the gasket:
> E39 (1997 - 2003) > The list of OEM suppliers (primary manufacturer) for parts often replaced on the E39

Do we know for sure that we don't know for sure who makes the OEM VCG in our E39s?

BTW, this video says three things of interest:
1. A brand new valve cover from BMW comes with the VCG and the two sets of spark tube well seals
2. The Ajusa brand is good for the VCG
3. Watch out that you might accidentally break the valve cover when removing it
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i just did mine, and used OEM BMW for the Upper Timing Cover gaskets, and an Elring Klinger set for the valve cover. So far so good.
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From my experience, installation errors (wrong torque sequence, stripped threads, sealant in wrong places...) cause much more problems than the brand of the gasket. I'm not saying that all gaskets are equal - but people often blame the gasket for mechanic's mistakes.
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From my experience, installation errors (wrong torque sequence, stripped threads, sealant in wrong places...) cause much more problems than the brand of the gasket. I'm not saying that all gaskets are equal - but people often blame the gasket for mechanic's mistakes.
Interestingly, I opened a thread recently on what can go wrong with a VCG replacement, and there are so many things that can go wrong, that I also wonder if people are blaming the new gasket when it could just as easily be a host of other things:
> E39 (1997 - 2003) > What can go wrong when replacing the valve cover gasket & how to prevent ithe problem

Yet, some say the "size" (which is an objective measurement) is off on some brands ...
> E39 (1997 - 2003) > 540 valve cover gasket manufacturers-
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There is also a E38 thread that talks about the poor quality of Victor Reinz. The gaskets were supposedly a big too large.

EDIT:
Cleaning up the bestlinks, so I changed this:
- How to replace the E39 V8 valve cover gasket (1) (2) (3) (4) (540 pdf) (E38) (E38 pdf) & VCG DIYs for the E39 I6 M54 (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (2004 E46 video) (another E46 video) (yet another E46 video) & which VCG brand to buy (1) (2) & what VCG lubricants to use (1) & how to replace the timing chain tensioner and rail guide on the I6 (1) & on the M62 (1) & on the M62TU (1) (2) (3) & what can go wrong when replacing the VCG valve cover gasket which may cause subsequent plastic engine cover leaks (1)

To this:
- How to replace the E39 V8 valve cover gasket (1) & how to replace the E39 I6 VCG (1) & which VCG brand to buy (1) & what VCG lubricants to use (1) & what can go wrong when replacing the VCG valve cover gasket which may cause subsequent plastic engine cover leaks (1)
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I have used VR gaskets for DECADES in engine rebuilds for many makes, classic and late model, and have never once had a failure afterwards. Not once. I have also used other manufacturers with no issues. Just because it has a BMW logo on doesn't mean it is the best quality, or even the best design. That explains why most on this board mod their e39. There are plenty of parts that have been improved over BMW's original supplier. You folks using Bilsteins and Koni's know what I am talking about.
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If one looks at the evidence then it all points to Victor- reinz as being the manufacturer. All the components that I have replaced all 5 of my bmw's all parts removed were of Deutschland region. I have yet to see Made in china, mexico, japan, etc on any of them. So it would appear that bmw only uses locally produce components. But I could be wrong. Just my thoughts.
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All the components that I have replaced all 5 of my bmw's all parts removed were of Deutschland region
Does this mean that the OEM VCG on our bimmers is Victor Reinz?

If so, we should add that information to this thread:
- What brand is the OEM part original equipment manufacturer for your BMW (1) & what parts & supplies are best to buy OEM (1)

BTW, this video (at time point 740) says that the Italian company Ajusa is good, but, they may have been paid to say that since they brand it in the video...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...peSdiif8#t=740
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The exact question came up in the E46 forums today, which share engines with the E39...
> E46 (1999 - 2006) > Upcoming DIY

[QUOTE=TacoBuster;8541283]So i noticed some oil leak on my VCG.. So i decided to replace the Vanos Seals as well.. What is the most reliable brand..

Also i noticed that my control arm ball joints are wearing out since there is some play.. How good is the URO and Vaico brands?.. Im going to do the Meyle HD control arms and arm bushings.. ECS has a Level 2 refresh kit
http://www.ecstuning.com/BMW-E46-325...Arm/ES2219662/
But i dnt know how reliable is the URO and Vaico brand..
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I have used VR gaskets for DECADES in engine rebuilds for many makes, classic and late model, and have never once had a failure afterwards. Not once. I have also used other manufacturers with no issues. Just because it has a BMW logo on doesn't mean it is the best quality, or even the best design. That explains why most on this board mod their e39. There are plenty of parts that have been improved over BMW's original supplier. You folks using Bilsteins and Koni's know what I am talking about.
I used VR valve cover gasket on my m54 four years and 50,000 miles ago still bone dry.
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