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Old 02-11-2004, 05:53 AM
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E46, E65, E60, E63, E83... is there a logic!?

E46, E65, E60, E63, E83... is there a logic!?

I know what the E stands for in German -but how come for example the E65 comes out before the E60?! Does that mean that the E60 was on the drawing board before the E65...!?
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Old 02-11-2004, 05:58 AM
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Almost always (in fact, I can' think of another case other than the one you pointed out), the order of the E numbers corresponds with the order of introductions. My only guess regarding the e60/65 is that perhaps there were earlier designs (perhaps an e59?), that got canned. I'm sure that work on the replacement for the e38 got started prior to work on the replacement for the e39-- since the e38 was up for replacement 2 years sooner. I do seem to recall articles during the e65's development that described some internal controversey regarding the new 7-- I think they scrapped the first and/or second proposals entirely.
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Old 02-11-2004, 06:22 AM
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Almost always (in fact, I can' think of another case other than the one you pointed out), the order of the E numbers corresponds with the order of introductions. My only guess regarding the e60/65 is that perhaps there were earlier designs (perhaps an e59?), that got canned. I'm sure that work on the replacement for the e38 got started prior to work on the replacement for the e39-- since the e38 was up for replacement 2 years sooner. I do seem to recall articles during the e65's development that described some internal controversey regarding the new 7-- I think they scrapped the first and/or second proposals entirely.
The E32 7er appeared nearly three years before the E31 8 series. The E53 X5 also appeared fractionally earlier than the E52 Z8, but I don't know how intentional that was.
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There's no logic for order of the E codes, AFAIK.
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There's no logic for order of the E codes, AFAIK.
Say what, you don't have an answer for us on a "German" question
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Old 02-11-2004, 06:56 AM
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There's no logic for order of the E codes, AFAIK.
But at least there must be a logic within model series. That is, a higher E-number within the 3-series always represent a newer car etc. ... or ?!

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Old 02-11-2004, 07:28 AM
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E-number

My personal opinion is that the E number is representing the conception of a project, not its completion. So if BMW decides "a new 8-series" this will get the next available E number (e.g. E114) regardless of when and if the project is completed.
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Old 02-11-2004, 07:49 AM
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Hehe, I really don't have an answer on that. E stands for Entwicklung, which means Development in English. As TGD written above, they take the next available number.

But I should mention one thing. The new cars (i.e. E60, E65, E90 etc), they have received those E codes long long before they were even mentioned in the press. From what I have heard from insiders that the design department is immediately starting to work on the facelifts/new models as soon as the current models are released for sale. They have so little time to lose.
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Hehe, I really don't have an answer on that. E stands for Entwicklung, which means Development in English. As TGD written above, they take the next available number.
I get E60, E65...but next available is E90, and then E114? What happened to the 70s and 80s? Do Germans want to forget those decades as much as Americans?
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The reason the numbers start to spread out over time probably has to do with BMW's increased revenue and size which allows it to start lots of new projects and concepts that eventually yield to a few good ones.

Look at any company as it grows, and you'll see that it just gets bigger and bigger and can afford to do many things at once.
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What happened to the 70s and 80s? Do Germans want to forget those decades as much as Americans?
E85 = Z4

And FWIW I loved the 80's.

It sure would be cool to get to see some of those scrapped projects.

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E85 = Z4

And FWIW I loved the 80's.

It sure would be cool to get to see some of those scrapped projects.

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True, it might make us appreciate the product line even more. I'm guessing more than a few were even more Bangle-ugly designs.
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E 114

The E 114 was an example. It does not mean it is currently the next available number!

Don't forget that concept cars and even the not-very-successful C1 scooter also have their own E-number. I don't know if motorcycles get one as well.
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E46, E65, E60, E63, E83... is there a logic!?

I know what the E stands for in German -but how come for example the E65 comes out before the E60?! Does that mean that the E60 was on the drawing board before the E65...!?
e-stands for engineering series. internal lingo for bmw. it's just a designation to deliniate one model or group of models (sedan, coupe, conv) from another.
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Actually it stands for a German word meaing Development.
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Hehe, I really don't have an answer on that. E stands for Entwicklung, which means Development in English.
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