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Old 02-19-2004, 01:24 PM
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Question 750il with bullet proof glass ???

A friend just bought a '98 750il and we noticed the windows appear to be about 3/8ths of an inch thick and surrounded by a black frame. Are these cars equipped with bullet proof glass ?
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Old 02-19-2004, 01:41 PM
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There are VERY small numbers of special cars built called 'Protection' built with kevlar 'armor', bulletproof glass, etc. It could just be a local custom job, too.
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Old 02-19-2004, 01:41 PM
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A friend just bought a '98 750il and we noticed the windows appear to be about 3/8ths of an inch thick and surrounded by a black frame. Are these cars equipped with bullet proof glass ?
Nope, just insulated glass.

There was an option for the Protection model, but it was about $25,000 extra. That was the Bulletproof model. It was quite rare. We had a Black/Black 740iLP a while back, and the sticker on it was north of $100,000 (or pretty close to that) as far as I remember.

If your friend had one of these, the VIN placard on the door should say "Protection" next to the model name. Also, on these cars, the rear windows usually don't open, unless you got some special package. That being said, the easiest way to identify one is to drive it around the block. The Protection models are massive, and you can instantly feel the extra weight driving it around the block (feels like you have a few line-backers in the trunk). They certainly are in no way "nimble".
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Old 02-19-2004, 03:55 PM
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u supply the gun and il be more than happy to test it out

i was reading online about the 760 security, but it said its not in the US yet. will it ever be or is it just the normal delayed?
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Old 02-19-2004, 05:47 PM
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i was reading online about the 760 security, but it said its not in the US yet. will it ever be or is it just the normal delayed?
Probably not as a normal model. They didn't have that big of a market for the E38 protection models, so I believe they made the decision to not even try the US market with the E67.
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Old 02-20-2004, 10:21 PM
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The only protection models I have ever seen had no rear window switches and no sunroof. The driver's door window switches had two for the front, then two blank spaces where the rear controls normally go. I can't find the photo of it, but that's how it looked.

Be careful if you have those double thick 750 windows... delamination is common. "My 98 750 had delamination at all four windows. BMW promptly told me i must have abused them and I plunked down $3,600 to have them replaced. Beware that the replacement windows are warranted for only 12 months." (Randy in Portland)
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The only protection models I have ever seen had no rear window switches and no sunroof. The driver's door window switches had two for the front, then two blank spaces where the rear controls normally go. I can't find the photo of it, but that's how it looked.

Be careful if you have those double thick 750 windows... delamination is common. "My 98 750 had delamination at all four windows. BMW promptly told me i must have abused them and I plunked down $3,600 to have them replaced. Beware that the replacement windows are warranted for only 12 months." (Randy in Portland)


How exactly do you abuse windows?
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How exactly do you abuse windows?

No one but BMWNA seems to know...
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According to all of my "insider" spies.
"Abuse of the insulated BMW750iL windows is quite common and due to the misinformation of the owners. They are under the impression that the windows can be used and the car parked outside in the sun. The policy of BMWNA is that once it leaves the dealership it is not our problem and the car must have been misued." ;-)
Crappy windows but still drives wonderfully.
750's have the thick glass with the black boarder as described. Now the gun case in the headliner.....(option)
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A friend just bought a '98 750il and we noticed the windows appear to be about 3/8ths of an inch thick and surrounded by a black frame. Are these cars equipped with bullet proof glass ?
what is the last 7 of the vin number ? i can tell you if it has protection glass on it...sastud
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Old 03-03-2004, 05:16 PM
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We very nearly took one in on trade about 2 months ago. 750iLP, 100,000 miles, but showed very nicely. We were stepping up by offering $12K for it, but he wouldn't do it. Probably just as well. Where would we find a gangster rapper or 3rd world country dictator to buy it?

SARAFIL is dead on: the car drove like a 740i that was towing a Hatteras.

And I am wrong or did the car also have blast-resistant floorboards?
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Old 03-05-2004, 04:02 PM
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A similar 750 I looked at a few years ago had this glass. I believe the 750 got thicker glass... definitely not bullet proof, just thick.
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My S500 had that kind of glass as well, but I never had any problems over 4 years and 95K miles. It did do a great job keeping the cold out.
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Old 10-11-2005, 01:42 AM
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Exclamation ATTN: 750iL Windows - Double Pane Glass

So is there no way of getting the windows fixed in a 750iL (E38) once they start de-laminating?

I mean if someone complains to BMW NA / Canada (in my case). Will they not come to a compromise so that they can cover for part of the cost of replacement of the windows?

Just like they did for the BMW Pixel Display:

http://www.bimmerboard.com/forums/posts/52513

I mean this is SO NOT FAIR. . .I mean we paid over $100K for these cars for what is known as BMW's BENCH-MARK! or the M-7 if you will. . .and the window delamination being a manufacturer's defect will not be covered by BMW?

Is this what BMW stands for?

I need you guys all to give some feedback on this please. . . (especially current 750iL owners)

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I have never been in one of the protection level cars but I bet it's a beast. Making things with bullet proof glass or similar materials will add significant amounts of weight.
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Old 05-19-2010, 09:38 AM
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oen is bullet proof - very thick like 4 cm
the other is the dual pane windows - like 1 cm thick.

I have the dual pane windows and I also have the delamination problem.
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Old 08-23-2010, 01:41 AM
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Double glazed glass - a layer of air in between two panes used for silence. All four side windows are double glazed as standard but not bulletproof - unless you get the protection model! The black is the glue/compound that holds the two pains of glass apart.
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I have the same on my 2000 750il, only the front windows though. I just got the passenger replaced 2 years ago and it started that summer.

I thought about tinting them to cover it up some.
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I have a 2001 750 IL and they tried to break in, those thick windows did not break, but now I need to replace them. Brand new they are $1400 each....does anyone know where can I find cheaper parts?
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I have a 2001 740i with the delaminating glass problems. BMW has been giving me 2 year warranties on these glass pieces for the last 4 years. the last time i had encinitas BMW replace the glass it started delaminating in THREE DAYS after it was installed.

So Far i have had TWLEVE (12) replacement pieces in the car and BMW keeps replacing them under warranty. The rear passenger window has had 7 of the 12 pieces of glass replaced. Do the math at $1400 each.

want a fix???

My mechanic is now replacing ALL of the thick door glass with standard single-pane glass. he's done one window already and its fantastic. I purchased the remaining 3 pieces of window glass and the necessary hardware to retrofit it to the thinner glass for $450. Figure another $600 for install.

As a side note the window regulator motors will love you for the modification. they go up and down so quickly and smoothly compared to the thick stuff. The mod will surely extend the life of the window motors too.

Carl
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A friend just bought a '98 750il and we noticed the windows appear to be about 3/8ths of an inch thick and surrounded by a black frame. Are these cars equipped with bullet proof glass ?
only way to know if it indeed has bullet proof windows if the rear window buttons are not on the rear doors nor on the driver window controls...Bullet proof windows do NOT roll down on the rear doors. Theres also no moonroof or sunroof
MOst likely you have security break resistant glass or Dual Pane
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I have a 2001 740i with the delaminating glass problems. BMW has been giving me 2 year warranties on these glass pieces for the last 4 years. the last time i had encinitas BMW replace the glass it started delaminating in THREE DAYS after it was installed.

So Far i have had TWLEVE (12) replacement pieces in the car and BMW keeps replacing them under warranty. The rear passenger window has had 7 of the 12 pieces of glass replaced. Do the math at $1400 each.

want a fix???

My mechanic is now replacing ALL of the thick door glass with standard single-pane glass. he's done one window already and its fantastic. I purchased the remaining 3 pieces of window glass and the necessary hardware to retrofit it to the thinner glass for $450. Figure another $600 for install.

As a side note the window regulator motors will love you for the modification. they go up and down so quickly and smoothly compared to the thick stuff. The mod will surely extend the life of the window motors too.

Carl
I have 2 extra dual pane driver and passneger glass FS as well as two rear 1/4 glass for sale with NO delamination...
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