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E39 (1997 - 2003)
The BMW 5-Series (E39 chassis) was introduced in the United States as a 1997 model year car and lasted until the 2004 when the E60 chassis was released. The United States saw several variations including the 525i, 528i, 530i and 540i. -- View the E39 Wiki

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Old 06-14-2015, 06:08 AM
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Help with some codes

My '99 540it went into engine and trans safe mode while sitting at a light yesterday. I limped it to a parking lot and turned it off. When I tried to restart it nothing happened. No click, no crank, nothing. I tried about ten minutes later and it start but was running erratically and in safe mode again. Turned it off and got the same no start condition. Here are the codes I got when I got home.

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Cam sensors, vanos seals or valves, something else? I also disconnected the maf sensor and tried starting it and it still ran poorly.

I'm going to clear the codes and see what happens when instant it.

Any help is appreciated!
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Old 06-14-2015, 06:35 AM
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Sound to me like you have an electric power problem. Maybe your battery or your alternator-they are easily checked using the On Board Computer, test #9.

http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/sh...-(Low-and-High)

Actually sounds more like a loose or corroded ground or battery/alternator connection. You need to get under the car and inspect all the ground connections as well as the connections at the battery and alternator.

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Old 06-14-2015, 06:47 AM
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Ok I'll check that out and report back. Thank you!

I also noticed that when I was in dis, the codes came up but I couldn't check the computer. I was getting a communication error when I tried to get past the test plan screen. Something about pin 17 and 20.
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Old 06-14-2015, 10:32 AM
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Body type OTHER Catalog model USA Production date 1999 / 06
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Old 06-14-2015, 12:41 PM
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I used the cool dash trick and am reading 11.4 volts. Its raining out now and my car isn't in the garage so I'll have to crawl under there later. That reading doesn't sound too bad though does it?

He car won't try to start right now either so I can't test the voltage with it running.

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Old 06-14-2015, 01:21 PM
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11.4 volts is a dead battery for an E39. There is virtually no chance that the car will start or that you will be able to use any system reliably with this voltage. You'll need a jump start or a new battery to get the car started. And if you do get it started, use your OBC (test 9) to read the voltage with the car running. That reading would be the alternator output voltage. Should be 13.7 volts to 14.1 volts.

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Old 06-14-2015, 01:51 PM
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Good to know! I'll give it a shot. Thank you.
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Old 06-14-2015, 05:38 PM
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Yes, these cars are sensitive to battery voltage. If it drops much below 12.5 overnight (or on the road), the DME becomes perplexed.
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Old 06-15-2015, 02:10 AM
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Id suspect your alternator is failing.. or your battery is dead..

Im leaning more to the alternator charging system though... your looking for 14.4 Vdc @ the battery when the car is idle under load,

Couple of pointers for future reference,
Do not unplug the maf as a test, All that does is Create another code, (Hot film code we call it) and make it even harder for the car to run... thinking that the car now runs better cause i unplugged the maf is about the worst Diagnostic technique you can use
charge your battery over night... Undoubtedly the car will run, but if your not charging and maintaining the actually 13+ volts the system needs to opperate... A lot of people think the magic number is 12... when in fact its 14...

12 is what you need to turn a 12vDC starter motor... The system will not last long under voltage, so charging your battery at night and then limping thru the day on a week charging system is a good way to F up your car

you can give the alternator a "Technical tap" .... try to wake the brushes up.. some times it works some times it doesn... you might be able to get a few more days out of it, when the car is runing.. take something solid (non conductive preferably) and give the alternator a Good hard smack you will hear the alternator start to whine.... as it starts charging again

alternators are maintaining devices Not charging stations...

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Old 06-15-2015, 01:09 PM
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So the parts jockey at autozone charged the battery over night and said it was bad when he load tested it. I just picked up a new one so we will see if it works. I'll check the voltage at idle if it starts and runs well.

When I pulled the battery out there was a note written on it in marker that said, "do not use." I figured that was the problem after reading that.

Thanks for all of the good info.
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Old 06-15-2015, 04:51 PM
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I put the new battery in and started it with it still in safe mode. Do I have to clear the codes first?

I had to run out and didn't have time but can when I get back.
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Old 06-15-2015, 06:03 PM
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With the new battery in the car is reading 11.7v while off. My dmm on the battery says 12.07.

Should I have to charge a new battery?

I can throw it on over night and see what happens.
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Old 06-15-2015, 06:31 PM
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Old 06-16-2015, 02:55 AM
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I told you what you had to so... Autozone was never mentioned...
Do you have a volt meter?

DID you check the voltaage @ the battery like i said? NOT @ the cluster

14.4VDC @ the batter when the car is running and under load..

your not charging bra
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I told you what you had to so... Autozone was never mentioned...
Do you have a volt meter?

DID you check the voltaage @ the battery like i said? NOT @ the cluster

14.4VDC @ the batter when the car is running and under load..

your not charging bra
+1. It's good that you replaced your bad battery but you also have to listen to our advice and test what your alternator is putting out by measuring voltage across the battery with the engine running. Until you do this simple test, you still have not solved your problem and may be killing your new battery.

You don't realize that you have established that you have at least a 1 volt voltage drop between the battery and the cluster. You still need to look at all your ground connections and alternator connections and make sure they are clean (no corrosion) and tight.

And yes, charge your new battery since it is now very low. When you have all your battery and charging problems solved, clear your error codes as they all seem to be the result of low voltage.
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Old 06-20-2015, 12:56 PM
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Just hooked it up to my x5 and can't get it to run long enough to check v at the battery. Sometimes it starts and dies quickly other times I get nothing when I turn the key.

All the connections I could find are clean and tight. I cleaned up the connections at the battery too.

While hooked up to the other vehicle it barely runs then stalls out. I tried hooking it battery to battery as well.

Is it likely enough the alternator for me to replace that?
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Old 06-21-2015, 06:23 AM
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Any other ideas for me to try out here?
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Old 06-21-2015, 01:24 PM
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Found that one of the four dme fuses was blown. Thanks
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