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Sweet! As a co-worker of mine always says, it'd be nice if you'd have to pay exuberant amounts of taxes; it must mean you made a helluva lot of money that year.

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Isn't it primarily the uber-rich who will be affected? My understanding is that percentage wise, the middle class pays relatively more than the uber-rich. I don't see the problem here.

Flat rate tax would be fair.... But the rich will just find another way to shelter their income...
Actually, the flat rate tax is extremely unfair and ineffective. If we went with the flat rate tax we would have to keep it crazy low because the poor/middle class couldn't afford it. The upper class / rich could easily afford this very low rate (I fall in the 95th percentile so would love it for my personal wallet). Unfortunately our gov't couldn't be run on that kind of tax.

The progressive tax is the most fair way to go, though obviously nobody likes paying more tax percentages for making more money. The way the progressive tax works (for those that don't know). Mind you the numbers are not correct, just an example:
0-10 grand = 0% tax
11-20 grand = 5% tax
21-40 grand = 10% tax
41-60 grand = 15% tax

How does this work? If you make 60 grand you actually pay all of the above tax brackets. For your first 10 grand you pay 0, your next 10 you pay 5%, your next 20 you pay 10%, your next 20 you pay 15%. So the person who only makes 20 grand is paying the SAME as you for your first 20 grand. Again, my numbers are not precise at all because I don't know the exact thresholds, and if you want to know them feel free to look them up

Nobody likes paying taxes, I don't like paying taxes; I understand that I have to pay taxes to get the services that I get, and that is also how civilized society works. Some would say "I dont like welfare and dont think my money should go there" Some would say "I dont like SSI and dont think my money should go there"...well yea, i dont like putting money into something that I do not get a benefit from either (I doubt i will get SSI...or by the time I am eligible the age will be 85) - but we need to pay for these things for all of society.

Where is the problem with our gov't:
1) Yes there are programs that are ridiculous. Welfare mommas - who live in welfare their entire lives, and have more and more babies so they can get more and more money. My thoughts on this - limit the amount of money you get for two-three babies...after that you get no deduction benefits, no extra welfare, etc. That would prevent welfare mommas from having ten kids real quick. It would also prevent my taxes going to families like the Duggers (they should rot in hell for having 20 kids). This won't pass because the religious right will say it is attacking folks who want to have large families...though it's not - it's just saying we won't pay for more then 2-3 kids.
2) We need to stop the corruption (almost impossible). If we knocked out the corruption, fraud (including the fraud private citizens comitted against the state) then we would save a ton of money. Also, hold private contractors accountable for their work. In Philadelphia a private road contractor will fill a pothole...charge the city stupid amounts of money...and do a crappy job. Next year that pothole needs to be fixed again - because it was not fixed correctly...the city has to pay for it again. Why not hold the business and the owner of the business (with their personal SS#) responsible? Corruption.
3) Gov't overcharging...self explanetory
4) Gov't law passing "Hi i want to pass a law to build a new highway"..."Ok you can pass that law, but only if you give my state 1 billion dollars to build nothing, we just want the billion dollars". This is a crime an politicians should be fired, taken to court and sued personally , and then thrown in jail for this nonsense.
I think the above issues are huge. If we could solve them, or at least reduce them by a lot we would have a lot more money to fuel the programs we want.

How do we solve the above issues - I don't know...Make me dictator for a year and I will solve most of them. Trust me, nobody would like to be on the wrong side of my Furball anger if I find out they were corrupt and stole.
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In the midst of all this I conclude that Republicans are geniuses. Through the use of crafty labels such as "socialism" and "big government", they have managed to convince majority of American public that any tax increase on "job creators" is a bad idea and that the poor should pay the bills. Considering the average American wage, it's the equivalent of having convinced Turkeys that Thanksgiving is good for them.
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In the midst of all this I conclude that Republicans are geniuses. Through the use of crafty labels such as "socialism" and "big government", they have managed to convince majority of American public that any tax increase on "job creators" is a bad idea and that the poor should pay the bills. Considering the average American wage, it's the equivalent of having convinced Turkeys that Thanksgiving is good for them.
They definitely get the award for perversion of the English language. Some examples: Death Panels (especially when the idea for end-of-life meeting with the attending physician to be paid by insurance was an R idea), portraying savings from Medicare as a 'cut' to Medicare coverage.... A lie repeated often enough can be confused for the truth.
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How do we solve the above issues - I don't know...Make me dictator for a year and I will solve most of them. Trust me, nobody would like to be on the wrong side of my Furball anger if I find out they were corrupt and stole.
It would take much more than a year.... Unless you were to just do a complete slash-and-burn. Every program has its advocates. One example of a waste - the duplicate engine program for the F-35. The DoD (even SecDef Gates testified against the program) agreed the program was a waste. But the congressional (and lobbyist) supporters had every reason under the sun why the program was needed. $2.4B in development funds flushed down the toilet.

Another favorite - subsidies for the enthanol production.... Nothing more stupid than taking corn and turning it into ethanol to blend with gasoline. The annual waste on ethanol production subsidies is $4 Billion, or $1.95/gallon of the price of gasoline (from a 2008 Rice University Baker Institute for Public Policy study). But if you were to listen to the ethanol advocates, it is the salvation of the nation.
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It would take much more than a year.... Unless you were to just do a complete slash-and-burn. Every program has its advocates. One example of a waste - the duplicate engine program for the F-35. The DoD (even SecDef Gates testified against the program) agreed the program was a waste. But the congressional (and lobbyist) supporters had every reason under the sun why the program was needed. $2.4B in development funds flushed down the toilet.

Another favorite - subsidies for the enthanol production.... Nothing more stupid than taking corn and turning it into ethanol to blend with gasoline. The annual waste on ethanol production subsidies is $4 Billion, or $1.95/gallon of the price of gasoline (from a 2008 Rice University Baker Institute for Public Policy study). But if you were to listen to the ethanol advocates, it is the salvation of the nation.
I agree; while FOOD COSTS rise all over the world and the poor suffer, we BURN CORN in our cars. Does this make sense? Yeah, it makes sense as long as CORN PRICES sky rocket never mind the subsidies...FOOD shortages as CORN is used as FUEL and we tool along on ethanol. Sick. Brazil uses sugar cane.
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In the midst of all this I conclude that Republicans are geniuses. Through the use of crafty labels such as "socialism" and "big government", they have managed to convince majority of American public that any tax increase on "job creators" is a bad idea and that the poor should pay the bills. Considering the average American wage, it's the equivalent of having convinced Turkeys that Thanksgiving is good for them.
The reason that they don't want to increase taxes on job creators (small businesses) is because this has traditionally raised unemployment. It has nothing to due with what class pays thier fare share of taxes. The Dems just want to spend their way out of debt which obviously didn't work either. Our current president plays the blame game accepting zero responsibility for his failed policy's. The bottom line is our government is corrupt across all party lines and we are all responsible for voting them in. They are supposed to work for us not against us. Our country has become full of politically correct spineless people who are afraid to stand up and fight for change. We just roll over and bitch and complain taking no action. Furby for president.
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21-40 grand = 10% tax
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Progressive tax makes economic sense based on the concept of utility, but the tax code has to be simplified to ensure you cannot get around it the way we currently can. In short, make the progressive tax the tax code without any or only a few sensible deductions.
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More opportunity for pithy comments....

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Isn't it primarily the uber-rich who will be affected? My understanding is that percentage wise, the middle class pays relatively more than the uber-rich. I don't see the problem here.

Flat rate tax would be fair.... But the rich will just find another way to shelter their income...
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Sorry guys but I will have to say yes. The car will be the 1st to go, then eating out, then the lattes, the red soled shoes, and lastly will be the bags! Talk about addiction and priority.


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The reason that they don't want to increase taxes on job creators (small businesses) is because this has traditionally raised unemployment. It has nothing to due with what class pays their fare share of taxes.
And it should stay this way. Small Business Owners are working hard enough and struggling to stay open in this economy. Raising taxes now is definitely not going to help them.

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Sorry guys but I will have to say yes. The car will be the 1st to go, then eating out, then the lattes, the red soled shoes, and lastly will be the bags! Talk about addiction and priority.




And it should stay this way. Small Business Owners are working hard enough and struggling to stay open in this economy. Raising taxes now is definitely not going to help them.



At least we will get some action in this usually boring thread
Asiarush, tsk, tsk, on that website. I can dig up similar websites like : All infidels must die dot com, and wife beaters dot com. These websites are 100% objective and totally not bias - I swear.

It one would rather filter out all the political chaff, and determine if what is being said is actually truthful, i.e. use one's own brain to make decisions rather than be told how to think by politicians or the media (or your spouse!) , then I suggest websites such as this for example: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...s-millionaire/
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OK, if we made "the furb" dictator for a year or so, what would his salary be? Would your work off commission (percent of money saved?). What would the percent be? Would there be a limit, such as $100 billion? Would you give up your BMW to show frugality?
Salary would be reasonable. Probably $5 mil, and bonus of $10 mil if I do a good job. Obviously security.

As for losing the Bimmer....stupid policies like that is what gets us into a mess



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It would take much more than a year.... Unless you were to just do a complete slash-and-burn. Every program has its advocates. One example of a waste - the duplicate engine program for the F-35. The DoD (even SecDef Gates testified against the program) agreed the program was a waste. But the congressional (and lobbyist) supporters had every reason under the sun why the program was needed. $2.4B in development funds flushed down the toilet.

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The lobbyists are my problem. When the DOD, including the SecDef, says it's a waste I would listen to them more then the folks who are gonna make money out of it.

I think Ethanol is a waste only because it is not a perfected system.

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Poly thread = better then what we had before

Well obviously I would exercise restraint. I would by the M3, and lease the ferrari. Who the hell buys one?
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I would in a heartbeat. And then I'd post daily shots of the dash followed by various musings about my experience with the interior to annoy the resident purist. I'd ensure the needle sits flat at 8,500 RPM in each shot.
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Salary would be reasonable. Probably $5 mil, and bonus of $10 mil if I do a good job. Obviously security.

As for losing the Bimmer....stupid policies like that is what gets us into a mess

The lobbyists are my problem. When the DOD, including the SecDef, says it's a waste I would listen to them more then the folks who are gonna make money out of it.

I think Ethanol is a waste only because it is not a perfected system.

Poly thread = better then what we had before

Well obviously I would exercise restraint. I would by the M3, and lease the ferrari. Who the hell buys one?
I suppose you'd hire FEM BOTS to do your dirty work. Afterall, you would be a DICTATOR. Fess up.

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Well obviously I would exercise restraint. I would by the M3, and lease the ferrari. Who the hell buys one?
I second that!

...and just to mess with people politically, get a vanity plate for the Ferrari that goes: "JOB CR8TR"

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