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Old 04-06-2011, 09:34 AM
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Do Europeans consider driving 200 mph a benchmark, like us in the States?

I have always seen "200 mph" as a speed benchmark... an item on my bucket list. Do Europeans feel the same, or is their equivalent benchmark "300 km/h" (186 mph)?

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Old 04-06-2011, 10:10 AM
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It's more 300 km/h per hour. It's something we can relate to.

Back in the 70s people were impressed with a car or bike that could top 200 km/h, that was a big speed "milestone" if I can say so. Today anyone has reached that speed at some point. 300 km/h is certainly much faster and I hope to be able to drive that fast someday on the Bahn. It's not really an objective but I would like to be able to say I've done it.

That's why the Veyron is so impressive, 400 km/h is just insane for a road car.

If I were to buy a supercar I would expect it to top 300 km/h, but probably wouldn't care if it didn't do 200 mph.

I hope this answers your question. Cheers

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Old 04-06-2011, 10:12 AM
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It's more 300 km/h per hour. It's something we can relate to.

Back in the 70s people were impressed with a car or bike that could top 200 km/h, that was a big speed "milestone" if I can say so. Today it's 300 km/h.

That's why the Veyron is so impressive, 400 km/h is just insane for a road car.

If I were to buy a supercar I would expect it to top 300 km/h, but probably wouldn't care if it didn't do 200 mph.

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I just attended an event (for a story I am writing) in the California desert. Touted as the "200 mph Challenge," I drove a Ferrari 599 to 200 mph even (indicated 205 mph). I started wondering if Europeans (or others around the world) have "300 km/h Challenges" instead.

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I just attended an event (for a story I am writing) in the California desert. Touted as the "200 mph Challenge," I drove a Ferrari 599 to 200 mph even (indicated 205 mph). I started wondering if Europeans (or others around the world) have "300 km/h Challenges" instead.

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Where's a moderator when you need one? I think this thread should be re-titled "Emission sucks."

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I have always seen "200 mph" as a speed benchmark... an item on my bucket list. Do Europeans feel the same, or is their equivalent benchmark "300 km/h" (186 mph)?

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For modern supercars somewhere at least above 186 has been seen as a benchmark. Some speculate this because tires are rated to 186 MPH and then it becomes 186+ rated.

Either way, I've though of any car that can do somewhere in the neighborhood of 200 MPH to be classified as powerful. I'd figure the europeans would have a benchmark of 300KM/H but only for their supercars or purposely made sports car (think ///M and AMG). Otherwise it's really around 155 because of that "speed wars pact" that they decided to make to stop the insane top speed competition.
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Old 04-06-2011, 10:46 AM
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For modern supercars somewhere at least above 186 has been seen as a benchmark. Some speculate this because tires are rated to 186 MPH and then it becomes 186+ rated.

Either way, I've though of any car that can do somewhere in the neighborhood of 200 MPH to be classified as powerful. I'd figure the europeans would have a benchmark of 300KM/H but only for their supercars or purposely made sports car (think ///M and AMG). Otherwise it's really around 155 because of that "speed wars pact" that they decided to make to stop the insane top speed competition.
As you point out, very few cars can even do 200 mph these days. We had a Bentley Continental Supersports at the event (reported top speed of 202 mph, I think), and it couldn't muster past 194 mph... blame aerodynamics (frontal area).

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Why can't more cars go over 200mph? Gas at my local station passed $4/gallon yesterday. To go 200mph requires in the neighborhood of 600 hp. If a car is using .45 lb of gas/hr per, that'd translate into 270 lbs/hr or 44 gallons an hour, 4.5mpg (not counting the fuel to accelerate to that speed), and $3/minute just for gas (and consider our gas is cheap compared to Europe). It might not mean much those that can afford a supercar, but it explains their scarcity.
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Why can't more cars go over 200mph? Gas at my local station passed $4/gallon yesterday. To go 200mph requires in the neighborhood of 600 hp. If a car is using .45 lb of gas/hr per, that'd translate into 270 lbs/hr or 44 gallons an hour, 4.5mpg (not counting the fuel to accelerate to that speed), and $3/minute just for gas (and consider our gas is cheap compared to Europe). It might not mean much those that can afford a supercar, but it explains their scarcity.
Well besides just the fuel aspect, there is a HUGE saftey aspect to it as well. Many folks in america don't know how to drive, Period. There is a huge lack of respect and concern while driving, hell I saw some girl almost run through a redlight and T bone a truck today while she was texting and driving.

When people can't drive properly going less than 70 MPH, imagine somewhere 3X that speed! As well, add in to the problem of even trying to get to 200MPH in the US. Most of the roads are filled with potholes or not even straight enough to go that fast. The roads that are straight are smooth are either patrolled interstate or places in the desert that no one can find you in if you wreck due to a blowout or something.

IMO I have a problem using 435HP in my 760 sometimes, I can't imagine what some owners of supercars with 500+ HP itch to do!
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200mph benchmark in the USA? Where did you ever even come up with that idea? Why is speed such an important issue in an automobile anyway? My car is faster than your car syndrome? Maybe to a few insecure guys?
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If I were to buy a supercar I would expect it to top 300 km/h, but probably wouldn't care if it didn't do 200 mph.
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I spent the last two decades trying to go 200 mph... actually doing it made me realize how hard a feat it really is (in truth, more people have been launched into space than non-professionals driving 200 mph).

You need a car that can do it (less than a dozen street legal cars can do it), you need about 3 miles of perfectly flat highway with flat runoff (good luck finding that), you need to avoid the law. Remove one of those three things, and you aren't doing 200 mph.

Thankfully, I have no desire to ever drive that fast again — but I will still enjoy tooling down the autobahn at a slow 150 mph!

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I'm sure it has changed over the years, but as a kid I always remember reading about the cars and seeing the "300K/hr" everywhere.
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Emission asked about the relevance of 200mph to a European driver.
200 mph = 326 km/h. About as relevant to a European driver as 334 or 318 km/h. However no one drops EUR 200K + on a car that won't top 300 km/h. It's a bragging thing. Nevermind that most people will never drive that fast. Kind of a like a diver's watch that goes 8000 ft deep where no human can go.

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How many cars are available in Europe that are not electronically limited well before 300 km/h? Usually most major luxury cars limit theirs to what...250 km/h? Even those speeds are incredibly irresponsible in most places, even if allowed on some roadways.

Like Mike said, in a real life situation, few of us could have those types of speeds on the bucket list simply because they are unattainable for too many reasons and those that try on regular roadways won't live to tell the story.
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If you watch Top Gear, you'll notice that when they test Super Cars, they always let you know MPH, not KPH. 200 mph seems to be the benchmark for them, as well as most super car manufacturers ( Ferrari, Lamborghini, Aston Martin, Etc.) who also quote top speed in MPH. I've never been to Europe, so I'm not speaking from experience, but from the motorsport media that I pay attention to, I would say, 200 mph is a worldwide benchmark.
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