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F10 M5 (2012 - Current)
The count down is on. The BMW M5 F10 will be released on April 1st, 2011!

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Old 04-07-2011, 12:16 PM
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All Wheel Drive M cars coming starting with the M5

In an interview for AutoCar Albert Biermann, BMW Mís head of R&D, dropped a bomb on BMW ///M purists. I've put up with the X5 and X6 M accepting that they were the inevitability of the M-ification of all things BMW (see: The M bike) and could overlook the violation of a M-division rule that M car were rear wheel drive because their not cars but SUVs, right? But now they're going too far! M cars are supposed to be sports cars, taking the standard car, tightening it up, and dropping in a high revving high horsepower monster motor! Not a badged up marketing machine. In short, BMW, we want our pure M cars back!

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A four-wheel-drive M5 also appears to be on the cards, to satisfy demand from the snow belt in the US, where all-wheel-drive Mercedes/AMG and Audi models are selling well. ďThere will be some all-wheel-drive surprises on M cars in the future,Ē says Biermann.
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Old 04-07-2011, 12:58 PM
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Old 04-07-2011, 03:48 PM
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I'd buy one. You don't think an Audi could be a sports car?
BMW still retains the crown reins even if they do offer the M with AWD, at least they don't force it upon you.
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Old 04-07-2011, 08:20 PM
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Old 04-08-2011, 06:41 AM
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its really funny how hypocritical this is....for so many years people have bashed Audi for putting AWD systems on their high end S, RS models, etc....but when BMW does it, its ok.

Where are all the guys who say xDrive is for women, and it totally messes up that pure, RWD feel you get, like you are being pushed instead of pulled.

Well, let me be the first to say that xDrive DOES make you lose a lot of that special, pure RWD feel.

Its a great system, especially here in the snow in Michigan, but it just doesn't offer the same feel as a RWD system....PLUS, of course, it adds weight and additional complexity and just makes the drivetrain feel a little bit more sluggish....

if there are a lot of soccer moms who want an AWD M5, all the power to them....but I'm not interested....
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Old 04-08-2011, 07:15 AM
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its really funny how hypocritical this is....for so many years people have bashed Audi for putting AWD systems on their high end S, RS models, etc....but when BMW does it, its ok.

Where are all the guys who say xDrive is for women, and it totally messes up that pure, RWD feel you get, like you are being pushed instead of pulled.
They are the same people who complain that BMW M has really been messed up with Kay Seglar as president. They also call M3's fat pigs. I don't agree with either of those statements but thats just me.

Lamborghini puts AWD in their cars and they will rape an M5.

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when you say Lamborghini you mean Audi, right?
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I've been waiting for an AWD M5 since I went from an M3 to my first A6. After 112,000 miles over 8 years with my AWD Audi RS6, I would not go back at RWD. For those of us who live the the snow areas and must be able to get to work in all weather, AWD is a great plus.

An M5 is a great fair weather car but is useless in a snow storm at 2 am when you're running to the ER. Snow tires can only do so much.

So an M5 with AWD makes excellent sense as other car companies are cutting into BMWs market share with sporty sedans WITH AWD.

Perhaps the xdrive can be set up with RWD priority unless you turn on the FWD part? Subaru Automatic transmission AWD cars are 100% FWD until there's some slip then power is sent to the rears.

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I don't know about you all, but I remember that when you have AWD, and keep your foot in it, a good system will actually get you around curves better. Especially in bad weather.

Personally, I don't race on the streets, and I like the RWD feel better, even if it costs me a few tenths, but, when you put the stop watch to it, AWD is a bit of a winner.
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I'll buy an m5 all wheel in a heart beat
Me too if I can afford the car and the gas.
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I think once you get above 400hp, AWD provides a performance advantage over 2WD. If BMW offers an AWD M5, it will be next car.
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I think once you get above 400hp, AWD provides a performance advantage over 2WD. If BMW offers an AWD M5, it will be next car.
How so? What's so magical about the 400 mark?

I'll still go with RWD. Thanks, but no thanks.
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Old 05-12-2011, 10:55 PM
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would be nice if the new M's had adjustable and torque sensing LSD adjustment so when it's snow and wet it would be 50/50 instead of the common 30/70 Front to Rear distribution

would be nice but don't really know about the latest LSD where ABS adjust accordingly to the turning the LSD would adjust power to each wheel in a low traction situation for a more fluid like type of drive
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Old 07-20-2011, 06:27 AM
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I think for BMW it makes sense. If I recall correctly the new 6 series 4 door coupe will be have an M verision too. In that price bracket you also have the Porsche Panamera Turbo. I think to compute with the Panamera Turbo, BMW has to offer AWD. Plus if they already have the AWD on the same platform (i.e. X5/X6) it should not be too hard to make it work on a car rather than an SUV.
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Old 08-20-2011, 08:58 AM
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I'll buy an m5 all wheel in a heart beat
I'd be first in line as well.
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In an interview for AutoCar Albert Biermann, BMW Mís head of R&D, dropped a bomb on BMW ///M purists. I've put up with the X5 and X6 M accepting that they were the inevitability of the M-ification of all things BMW (see: The M bike) and could overlook the violation of a M-division rule that M car were rear wheel drive because their not cars but SUVs, right? But now they're going too far! M cars are supposed to be sports cars, taking the standard car, tightening it up, and dropping in a high revving high horsepower monster motor! Not a badged up marketing machine. In short, BMW, we want our pure M cars back!



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can't you see?
they are trying to win the market share from the all wheel paranoia that characterizes our country...
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Would be pumped if an M5 awd came out would definitley be my next car!! If i lived somewhere nice i wouldnt even consider an awd sports car, but in boston winters suck and i wouldnt go without it!
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I'll buy an m5 all wheel in a heart beat
I woul buy one also and I'd be very pleased to drive a 911 Turbo or TurboS which are very fast all wheel drive cars!
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I wonder what tires will come with the M5 X Drive. Hopefully not thaose POS Goodyear AST. I have a 550 F10 M-Sport that I now have a new set of 18" 350 style wheels for winter snow tires and also replaced the Goodyears for Michelins summer performance on the 19" OEM wheels...Hopefully the 18" wheels will fit the M5......
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For those who want the most performance out of their M5, consider that straight line acceleration could improve dramatically with AWD. Currently, the car can not make use of all of the available torque due to wheel spin off the line. AWD solves that problem and allows 100% of the torque to be available from a stop. I think it would out weigh the weight penalty and the extra complexity of the drive system. It would be nice to see 90% of the drive to the rear wheels though, unless slip was detected.
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The latest Automobile magazine states that contrary to "internet rumors", the new M5 will not come in AWD......
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