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Old 10-20-2010, 10:44 AM
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Scarcity of Z4s everywhere

I'm just back from five weeks in Europe (Holland, France-Provence, Croatia-Istria) and only saw two E89 Zeds the whole time. Both were in Holland: one in Amsterdam (a 2010 3.5) and one in Delft (a 2009 3.0). Last year I saw one in Paris, and I know there are some in Germany. But while there are quite a few Bimmers everywhere in Europe, the Z4s are rare.
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Old 10-20-2010, 11:36 AM
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Old 10-20-2010, 02:01 PM
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Roadsters are always more rare than the typical 2+2 cabriolet. Plus, the Z4 is exceedingly expensive and impractical (no diesel, although that's less desirable in a roadster), starting at €36.200 for the sDrive23i model and with barely any options. There was a well-loaded Z4 sDrive35i a lot like the press release car at BMW Frankfurt Niederlassung and the price tag was well over €60k.
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Old 10-20-2010, 02:12 PM
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I'm just back from five weeks in Europe (Holland, France-Provence, Croatia-Istria) and only saw two E89 Zeds the whole time. Both were in Holland: one in Amsterdam (a 2010 3.5) and one in Delft (a 2009 3.0). Last year I saw one in Paris, and I know there are some in Germany. But while there are quite a few Bimmers everywhere in Europe, the Z4s are rare.
Hi Jim,

I think they only take them out on weekends (mostly anyway). Also think about it you were on vacation all the Z drivers are working hard to pay off there Zetties
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Old 10-21-2010, 07:10 AM
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Hi Jim, thanks for your call, sorry we couldn't meet otherwise your count would be 3!

In Holland there are a couple of hundred sold of the e89's. Most of them probably use during Summer or in weekend.

I have no idea how many 35i's are sold here...
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Old 10-21-2010, 08:57 AM
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Z4s were never really dime a dozen cars, even previous models. I kinda like having an uncommon ride, makes the car stand out more and get more positive looks on the road. The new ones, especially with the price hike, I see even less, only 3 on the road since they came out in 2009. Make that 4 once I get mine :-)
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Old 10-21-2010, 11:39 AM
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I was just on a business trip and had a few stops to make along the way from Rhode Island to Chicago and up to Milwaukee. I drove the entire way and back(not in my Z4) and did not see one E89 on the road. After that trip, I flew down to Nashville and drove all over Nashville and down to Memphis and back and did not see one. I am not complaining, though!
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Old 10-21-2010, 12:55 PM
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I like the Z4, no question and the E89 is wayyyy better than its predecessor in my opinion. But the OP asked why it isn't popular in Europe and I gave an answer. The Z4 is priced substantially higher in Europe, and with petrol costing €1,50/litre, it's hard for most people to make the justification for it when BMWs make a lot of other more practical hatchbacks and wagons.

In no way shape or form did I ever compare the Z4 with an X3, don't know where you got that from

No one is comparing the Z4 and X3. You offered an opinion on the Z4, so I offered the general opinion on the X3. There is nothing more to it than that.

If anyone has any meaningful feedback, other than the 2 obvious points below that everyone already knows, please share

1 Economics 101: The higher the price the lower the demand
2 Economics 201: As practicality of a vehicle goes down, demand goes down

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Old 10-22-2010, 09:06 AM
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I'm just back from five weeks in Europe (Holland, France-Provence, Croatia-Istria) and only saw two E89 Zeds the whole time. Both were in Holland: one in Amsterdam (a 2010 3.5) and one in Delft (a 2009 3.0). Last year I saw one in Paris, and I know there are some in Germany. But while there are quite a few Bimmers everywhere in Europe, the Z4s are rare.
Just curious, do you really see that many Z4s here in the states? If I am lucky, I catch one pre 09 Z4 every week or 2 and 09+, I have only seen 4 now. One on the road locally (same one twice though I think), and 2 in Manhattan. And this is not because I spend all of my time in poor neighborhoods or slums, even in affluent areas, I never see them. Z4s never were as common on the road as other BMWs, which s a great deal of their appeal to me. Non "car people", alot of the time, don't even know what one is when I mention what dive (no BS).

Practicality may have alot to do with it, cost, another factor, but for me, my 07 (as will be with my already ordered 11) is my only car, and I get by just fine. Winters, another factor (at least in NY) because of the need for snow tires or another car. Me = snow tires did me just fine for the last 3 years.
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Old 10-22-2010, 12:28 PM
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Around here Z3's and previous Gen Z4's are a dime a dozen. See many of both daily. E89's I have only seen one other and that was at a BMW meet.
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Old 10-22-2010, 04:16 PM
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I have not seen a single E89 on the road here in Seattle. Last month, through 5 countries, I saw several (maybe 7) in Munich and 1 at lake Como and that's it. Unless you want to count that Beautiful Black Sapphire iS I kept catching glimpses of in the reflection of passing windows... That occured more than I'd like to admit to
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Old 10-22-2010, 05:09 PM
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Old 10-22-2010, 07:24 PM
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I'm just back from five weeks in Europe (Holland, France-Provence, Croatia-Istria) and only saw two E89 Zeds the whole time. Both were in Holland: one in Amsterdam (a 2010 3.5) and one in Delft (a 2009 3.0). Last year I saw one in Paris, and I know there are some in Germany. But while there are quite a few Bimmers everywhere in Europe, the Z4s are rare.
I think you may find the answer to your question here in BMW NA August 2010 figures, comparing prior years total sales numbers to YTD sales by model. The chart shows that from 2009 when the e89 was introduced up to August 2010 a total of 5,416 Z4s sold in North America. That's less than 6,000 cars for the entire North American Continent - talk about exclusive!

Now just for comparison, although not a very accurate one, if that number represented the US alone, that's roughly 108 per state. I'm guessing that Canada is included, so spread that out even more.

The other charts show what the top 3 US manufactures sold - GM, Ford and Chrysler. GM alone sold 1.6 mil domestic cars and light trucks.

Talking it one step further (as if I needed too ) consider that the 2009 population of a few of the sunny (i.e., top down driving) US states exceeded 89 mil. Conclusion: A Z4 owner is a rare and fortunate person indeed!
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Old 10-22-2010, 08:50 PM
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I saw my first E89 ever three weeks ago, and almost ran off the road while I was gawking at it. Fast forward three weeks later and I have one on order. How's that for love at first site? What a car.
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Old 10-24-2010, 08:32 PM
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I think you may find the answer to your question here in BMW NA August 2010 figures, comparing prior years total sales numbers to YTD sales by model. The chart shows that from 2009 when the e89 was introduced up to August 2010 a total of 5,416 Z4s sold in North America. That's less than 6,000 cars for the entire North American Continent - talk about exclusive!

Now just for comparison, although not a very accurate one, if that number represented the US alone, that's roughly 108 per state. I'm guessing that Canada is included, so spread that out even more.

The other charts show what the top 3 US manufactures sold - GM, Ford and Chrysler. GM alone sold 1.6 mil domestic cars and light trucks.

Talking it one step further (as if I needed too ) consider that the 2009 population of a few of the sunny (i.e., top down driving) US states exceeded 89 mil. Conclusion: A Z4 owner is a rare and fortunate person indeed!
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Great information teagueAMX

Considering that there are approximately 9,450,000 square miles in North America this would mean one can find only One (1) Z4 in 1,743 square miles. Further if you think of the square mileage say of New York, Chicago, Toronto and Montreal combined this would make up for only One (1) Z4 in those four fine cities combined.

No wonder I only saw one on my trip (or was it a 2008, went by so fast) west and all the way back home during my 2009 Summer mega 8,266 mile (13,303 KM) road trip.

I do agree a that Z4 owner is a rare and fortunate person indeed, no wonder heads turn here and then when we zoom down the road.
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I saw my first E89 ever three weeks ago, and almost ran off the road while I was gawking at it. Fast forward three weeks later and I have one on order. How's that for love at first site? What a car.
Well done I fell in love with mine in München May 9th 2009 they had it set up all over the place at Die Welt then I saw one in the Museum (same exterior color I now drive) and I was done for
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Old 10-25-2010, 05:38 AM
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Well done I fell in love with mine in München May 9th 2009 they had it set up all over the place at Die Welt then I saw one in the Museum (same exterior color I now drive) and I was done for
"Done for" says it all. I felt a zap from the heart to the stomach and it ended in the wallet region where my money caught on fire...
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Old 10-25-2010, 09:31 AM
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The first time I saw the E89 Z4 was last April at Bellevue BMW near Seattle. When I drove it I was done for; I had to have it. I would have bought from them but they didn't have a manual transmission, which I wanted. I said to my wife "We have to have this." She was dubious, but when she rode in one her response was "It's extravagent, but let's do it." Now we fight with each other about who gets to drive it; the X3 sits in the garage a lot these days.
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Old 10-25-2010, 10:06 AM
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Normally my wife rolls her eyes at my sports car purchases; this is the first time she actually seems to appreciate the car. I went with the ivory napa leather / athracite wood interior, which definitely helps to set the car apart and gives the impression that it's something special/unique (and it was attractive enough to offset my fear of light colored interiors). For only $200 more than kansas leather with the M-pkg, it's a deal.

I did have a hard time tracking down a 6-spd for test drive, and then eventually had to order one to get a car minimally equipped the way I want (M-pkg, ivory napa, ipod/USB, heated seats, that's it). Judging by what I saw on the lot, it seems the typical Z4 buyer wants auto transmission and loads of options, or maybe that's just what the dealer wants to push...
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Old 10-26-2010, 03:57 AM
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Great information teagueAMX

Considering that there are approximately 9,450,000 square miles in North America this would mean one can find only One (1) Z4 in 1,743 square miles. Further if you think of the square mileage say of New York, Chicago, Toronto and Montreal combined this would make up for only One (1) Z4 in those four fine cities combined.

No wonder I only saw one on my trip (or was it a 2008, went by so fast) west and all the way back home during my 2009 Summer mega 8,266 mile (13,303 KM) road trip.

I do agree a that Z4 owner is a rare and fortunate person indeed, no wonder heads turn here and then when we zoom down the road.
Uh, I think the only square miles that go into the equation are those where a car could be. But... the count down here in community of 600,000 souls is 2 DSB, 1 O Silver, & 1 AW (which I think belongs to a snowbird). Car is rare and gets ogled a lot.
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In Atlanta Z3s and previous gen Z4s are everywhere. I've seen a total of 4 E89s, plus mine. Only one was driven by a guy, which surprised me. My husband likes it almost as much as his E92 M3 and definitely doesn't think of it as a girlie car.
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Finally seeing more Z4's driving around town and on the freeways here in SoCal, 2 in Newport Beach, 3 on the freeways, and 2 more in Burbank during the past week. Interesting that they have all been either Alpine White or Black Sapphire Metallic.
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Also growing up in Europe, I can attest to this... most Europeans are inherently more (I wouldn't say frugal but) conservative in their spending.
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