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Old 06-16-2013, 07:48 PM
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Comfort vs sports setting

This must have been debated and discussed numerous times. But let's do it once more. My 2009 F02 has run flat. When I select comfort, normal, Spirts or sports plus, I cannot really tell the difference on the suspension and steering change much. I am not talking about the transmission. It's the suspension and steering. Either the run flat tires (lousy tires) dampen the difference or the settings are not much of a difference. Your views are welcome.
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I can definitely tell the difference between all 3 modes. Sport and Sport + are exactly the same, except DSC is disabled and DTC is activated for the latter.
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Old 06-16-2013, 10:14 PM
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I can tell a difference too. Just find a stretch of highway with lots of expansion joints. On Sport, the car rocks back and forth and you can definitely tell everything is just "firm" and you can feel each joint. On Comfort, it soaks up a lot more of that stuff and you really don't feel it as much. Also have RFT.
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Like others have said , I feel th difference in all the settings.
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Old 06-17-2013, 01:57 AM
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I still have the runflats as well but I can definitely feel the difference in all the modes.
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Old 06-17-2013, 03:02 AM
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Though I just got my car the difference is very obvious especially in the steering feedback weight. Comfort or comfort plus feels less planted yet lets you feel more of the imperfections on the road. Sport mode firm it up not to mention changing how the gear change responds.

I always prefer the sport when driving.
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Old 06-17-2013, 03:25 AM
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Though I just got my car the difference is very obvious especially in the steering feedback weight. Comfort or comfort plus feels less planted yet lets you feel more of the imperfections on the road. Sport mode firm it up not to mention changing how the gear change responds.

I always prefer the sport when driving.
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Old 06-17-2013, 06:34 AM
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I believe you switch off suspension tuning in the SPORT menu
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Old 06-17-2013, 08:13 PM
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I think I set it right. I will switch to tires I saved from my old 745LI P. Zero non run flat and see if they make a difference.
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I can tell the difference between modes. But the differences can be subtle depending on the road. Often the state of the road is a bigger factor.

In some ways all these adjustable suspensions are "false advertising". It's not as though Comfort is like an old Cadillac, and Sport is like a Lamborghini - which a layman may be inclined to believe. I remember the first time I got in my friend's dad's Mazda 929 coupe in the 1980s that had adjustable suspension. I thought wow - let's play with this. I was expecting dramatic changes - sort of like a heater for hot, and air conditioning for cold, that sort of thing. I couldn't feel any difference whatsoever (as a passenger). Tech has progressed, but not to the point that I mentioned (although the Benz Magic Carpet Ride looks promising), which is disappointing. They should relabel the settings, "Firm", "Slightly Firmer".

90% of the time I just leave the car in Comfort on local roads. On freeways I go to Sport. It's less about the suspension difference, but the steering in Sport seems a lot more direct at freeway speeds. Just my take on things. Play around with it on different roads, and see if you notice a difference. If not, just leave it in Comfort and be done with it.
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I can tell the difference between modes. But the differences can be subtle depending on the road. Often the state of the road is a bigger factor.

In some ways all these adjustable suspensions are "false advertising". It's not as though Comfort is like an old Cadillac, and Sport is like a Lamborghini - which a layman may be inclined to believe. I remember the first time I got in my friend's dad's Mazda 929 coupe in the 1980s that had adjustable suspension. I thought wow - let's play with this. I was expecting dramatic changes - sort of like a heater for hot, and air conditioning for cold, that sort of thing. I couldn't feel any difference whatsoever (as a passenger). Tech has progressed, but not to the point that I mentioned (although the Benz Magic Carpet Ride looks promising), which is disappointing. They should relabel the settings, "Firm", "Slightly Firmer".

90% of the time I just leave the car in Comfort on local roads. On freeways I go to Sport. It's less about the suspension difference, but the steering in Sport seems a lot more direct at freeway speeds. Just my take on things. Play around with it on different roads, and see if you notice a difference. If not, just leave it in Comfort and be done with it.
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This is the reason I like the Audi solution more, at least you get a visual confirmation of the different settings..for what it's worth.
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Even with 22's and a drop I can tell of and when I change settings.

I am VERY pleased with the ride quality in every setting WITH even my ultra thin 22"

BMW does a marvelous job with their suspensions particularly these "adaptive".
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Even with 22's and a drop I can tell of and when I change settings.

I am VERY pleased with the ride quality in every setting WITH even my ultra thin 22"

BMW does a marvelous job with their suspensions particularly these "adaptive".
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Even with 22's and a drop I can tell of and when I change settings.

I am VERY pleased with the ride quality in every setting WITH even my ultra thin 22"

BMW does a marvelous job with their suspensions particularly these "adaptive".
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Re: Comfort vs sports setting

The best solution is to go with Eibach Pro Street Springs and keep your factory shocks and struts. This allows the car to still utilize the suspension adjustments.

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After years of driving MB's with near zero perceptible changes, I can say the 7 has quite a difference from comfort+ to sport. It really is night and day. I usually leave the 7 in C+, but the 6 stays in sport, often with DS activated. Damn I love that exhaust.....
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Let me pose a question to folks. What other car does your car feel like to you in each mode? For example:

Comfort+: Benz S class
Comfort: Lexus LS
Sport: BMW M3

Honestly, in all modes, to me at least, it just feels like a BMW 7 series, just slightly different. Not dramatic. The same could be said with my M3 before that - it always just felt like an M3. Putting it in comfort didn't really give it much more of a luxurious ride.

But perhaps this is the good thing about BMWs - they always ride and handle similarly, regardless of mode (i.e. excellently), and that was deliberate by engineering design? Perhaps the marketers wanted the selectable modes, and the engineers thought it unnecessary, thus they limited the variance. Sort of maintained that base ride and handling to a large degree.
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My S class had so little change I rarely used it. The car was a rough rider, with the amg sport suspension you felt everything. My 7 is a cloud on C+. On sport it is very firm. The change is very noticeable...
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My S class had so little change I rarely used it. The car was a rough rider, with the amg sport suspension you felt everything. My 7 is a cloud on C+. On sport it is very firm. The change is very noticeable...
Did your S have airmatic or ABC? I had a CLS with airmatic and was not very impressed with the suspension... even on comfort it didnt ride smooth. I pretty much leave my 7 in Comfort+ all the time and will quickly toggle sport (drivetrain only) when passing or need to accelerate hard. I've noticed using the toggle switch for sport drivetrain is much more effective than DS mode.
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My car had airmatic.

From what I understand, sport with drivetrain is basically the same drivetrain programming as DS
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Old 06-20-2013, 12:36 PM
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Check your tire pressures, maybe it's overinflated?

When I drove it yesterday, I kept an eye out on the changes to better describe it. In comfort, it's a tad bit "floatier" but still very much under control. The most noticeable thing though is that it smooths out all the little expansion joints/tar strips on the freeway, so instead of feeling each bump you just sort of "glide" over it.

As far as Sport, there is no floatiness... there you feel each joint, but the car has no unexpected movements (it feels very well planted). I'm not talking about slight differences that are barely perceptible... I'm talking full on, "wow... I felt that change pretty obviously."
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My car had airmatic.

From what I understand, sport with drivetrain is basically the same drivetrain programming as DS
def not, this maybe the case for the 6spd auto... but not the 8spd. I can engage DS and then put it in sport and the throttle become MORE touchy and much more eager to get up and go. I have also tried it during steady acceleration, move to ds and see revs climb faster, then move to sport drivetrain and the revs bump up again... all while keeping my foot steadily in the same spot on the pedal.
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Old 06-22-2013, 09:31 PM
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Finally I swapped the run flat with my old P Nero from 2003 745LI. I immediately felt a difference in rid quality. More quiet, more compliant ride and supple but with as good or better control. Comfort mode and sports mode is now more pronounced. I am riding naked with no spare but order the conti tire foam from Tirerack. Not sure if I will get this since Tirerack may not ship this to Canadian address. Anyone knows where to get it in Toronto Canada ?
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