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Old 09-21-2012, 08:40 PM
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EWS issues

Aloha..
Having ews issues.. Had to replace the engine in my 08/95 325is due to a cracked head.. The donor car is a 09/93 325is.. Both have standard trans.. Put everything together and the engine would not turn over.. Jumped the starter and that worked.. Started reading about the ews. Cut the small green wire and combined the other two. Put in red label dme 413. And now it turns over with the key now. Still not starting .. Very close It actually pops now at first, like it wants to start..
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Old 09-21-2012, 08:44 PM
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It has fuel pressure. It has spark.. Spark seems bright at first then kinda dulls out the longer you crank on it...
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Old 09-21-2012, 09:06 PM
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Aloha..
Having ews issues.. Had to replace the engine in my 08/95 325is due to a cracked head.. The donor car is a 09/93 325is.. Both have standard trans.. Put everything together and the engine would not turn over.. Jumped the starter and that worked.. Started reading about the ews. Cut the small green wire and combined the other two. Put in red label dme 413. And now it turns over with the key now. Still not starting .. Very close It actually pops now at first, like it wants to start..
Watch my vid may help, click on link below.

http://www.youtube.com/user/1947froggy/videos?query=bmw

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Old 09-21-2012, 09:29 PM
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good stuff... Couldn't find anything related to the EWS though..
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Old 09-22-2012, 08:45 PM
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good stuff... Couldn't find anything related to the EWS though..
Here ya go!



I wish YT search was better, I am getting quite a "library" of diy videos.

EWS changed over many model years so ymmv, but the basics of the bypass were pretty similar.

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Old 09-25-2012, 11:44 AM
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Hello, i have a e39 with the famous no crank issue after i reconnected the oil level sensor that the previous owner had disconnected, not knowing that he disconnectes it so that the bad sensor didnt send a bad signal to the computer and not allow it to turn on, the battery was also bad so ive been starting it with a boost, but its been starting nonetheless until i lifted ir and connected that sensor, then i disconnectes it and it started again, turned it off and it hasnt started since, im guessing all the jump starting made the alarm system go crazy, my question is if theres a way to reset the EWS and everything else so that i dont have to replace anything? Or would i have to take it bmw to have them reset it? Also, i have the cEL with the codes 420, 1421, and 1423 but i doubt these have anything to do with the car not cranking. Thanks in advance!
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Old 09-25-2012, 12:07 PM
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I forgot to ask, what would be the wires to splice on an 97 528i? Is there a write up on this topic with this vehicle?
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Old 10-10-2012, 08:59 AM
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I have a 318ic 1995 with 10K miles yes 10K Miles! I started having problems around a year ago. Finally car will not start, its been setting for at least 8 months. So Ive read all the info I can find before making this desperate post.

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Build Date 3-95

What I have done so far:
EWS II delete - cut small green wire (left hanging) and then tied two larger ones together.
now the car cranks.

Bought DME unit BOSCH 261 200 413 RED Label to replace my Silver BOSCH

Car cranks fine and will fire with starting fluid sprayed into the Mass Air Flow Sensor.

At this point I'm up for suggestions, relays are clicking under the hood
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Old 10-10-2012, 09:22 AM
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I have a 318ic 1995 with 10K miles yes 10K Miles! I started having problems around a year ago. Finally car will not start, its been setting for at least 8 months. So Ive read all the info I can find before making this desperate post.

Car Details
Build Date 3-95

What I have done so far:
EWS II delete - cut small green wire (left hanging) and then tied two larger ones together.
now the car cranks.

Bought DME unit BOSCH 261 200 413 RED Label to replace my Silver BOSCH

Car cranks fine and will fire with starting fluid sprayed into the Mass Air Flow Sensor.

At this point I'm up for suggestions, relays are clicking under the hood
It looks like there was no need for you to go through the EWS delete. The problem was not the EWS but something related to fuel delivery.

You are on the wrong forums and your issue has nothing to do with the EWS and is thus in the wrong thread. Please switch over to the E36 forums and start a new thread entirely for best results.

btw, it appears that you have a fuel delivery problems. Probably your fuel relays, fuses or fuel pump. Start with the relay and the fuse and change those out they are cheap. Google and download the bentley manual for E36s for more details. Your EWS and your old ecu was working fine. Fix it back and start again with starting fluid and you'll see. Good luck.

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Old 10-10-2012, 09:25 AM
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But is the red label DME off a 318 ? You may have a red label for a 6 cyl m50 engine . It could be a problem . Not sure but hopefully Steve would chime in soon . I replaced ni.e with a Jim conforti chip with ews 2 delete in it , that way I still kept my original silver label DME

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Old 10-10-2012, 09:27 AM
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I agree with Roberto,

When I did my delete I did not cut any little green wire and did not do a thing to my DME.

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Old 10-10-2012, 09:37 AM
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If your car will run on starting fluid, then you have a fuel delivery problem, not an ignition/spark problem. I am not that familiar with the 318, but it should be essentially the same as it is on the 6 cylinders as far as checking the fuel system. I would proceed in the following manner:

1) Check the fuel pump fuse. If bad, replace. If okay then:

2) Remove the back seat and have someone try to crank the car. If the fuel pump is working, you should be able to hear the fuel pump buzz when the person tries to crank the car. If no buzz is heard then:

3) Remove the fuel pump relay and jump terminals # 30 and 87. Be aware that sometimes it is easy to not jump the proper terminals because when you remove the relay, the pins to identify each terminal number is essentially inverted since you turn it up to look at it. Anyway, just make sure that you have the proper terminals when you jump it. This will supply voltage to the fuel pump on a continuous basis regardless of whether or not the key is even in the ignition. If you hear a buzz, then the car should crank. If so, this indicates the fuel pump relay is bad. Replace it. If no fuel pump buzz heard then:

4) Use a volt meter to see if you have voltage (shoulde be right at 12v) at the fuel pump connector while the fuel pump relay terminals are jumped. If yes, then your pump is bad. If no, then you have a problem in the wiring. If the pump runs, then:

5) Check/replace your fuel filter. If still it will not start, then:

6) Check for pressure at the fuel rail. If no pressure, then either a fuel line is clogged or the fuel pressure regulator is bad.

If it still will not run after checking all of the above, then I would recommend you take it to a mechanic. Perhaps the guys on the E36 forum may be able to assist you further.

Hope this helps.

PS: If you don't already have it, get a copy of the Bentley manual for the E36. It is available in hard copy and also as a free, searchable downloadable PDF file. It will help you diagnose the problem.

PSS: Man, you guys beat me to it .... again !!
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Old 10-10-2012, 11:37 AM
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Thanks so much for the detailed response! I also did this in the early stages:
Cut the small green wires at the key, took out the tumbler, when i reinstalled the tumbler I had the location of the black ring wrong. Anyways it shouldnt make a difference at this point since the car cranks after the mod to the EWS right?

I'll be out tonight working on all these suggestions
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Old 10-10-2012, 12:01 PM
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But is the red label DME off a 318 ? You may have a red label for a 6 cyl m50 engine . It could be a problem . Not sure but hopefully Steve would chime in soon . I replaced ni.e with a Jim conforti chip with ews 2 delete in it , that way I still kept my original silver label DME

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I origially had a NO START- dash lights came on but no crank-nothing dead.
The windows and lights worked as well just no crank. Oh and I had a new key made at BMW just incase mine had died $84 bucks
The new key did not help so I started taking the ignition apart

I've read so many conflicting stories on this I seen somewhere where if I could find a DME that was 261 200 413 that it would work. I have no idea what year of car or make that the DME came out of.

Although I have made progess, it WILL Crank and grumble on starting fluid!!

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Old 10-10-2012, 12:07 PM
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It looks like there was no need for you to go through the EWS delete. The problem was not the EWS but something related to fuel delivery.

You are on the wrong forums and your issue has nothing to do with the EWS and is thus in the wrong thread. Please switch over to the E36 forums and start a new thread entirely for best results.

btw, it appears that you have a fuel delivery problems. Probably your fuel relays, fuses or fuel pump. Start with the relay and the fuse and change those out they are cheap. Google and download the bentley manual for E36s for more details. Your EWS and your old ecu was working fine. Fix it back and start again with starting fluid and you'll see. Good luck.
I believe I had a issue with my EWS after the delete it will crank, I have made progess
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Old 10-10-2012, 12:41 PM
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I believe I had a issue with my EWS after the delete it will crank, I have made progess
You may have had an issue with the EWS. I'm glad the car will at least show some signs of combustion. However, if your problem is only the fuel delivery, then the engine will actually run quite well on the starting fluid. In other words, it would not cough, sputter or act up in any way. As you probably know though, it is not good to run an engine for more than a few seconds on starting fluid.

I'm not that confident that the red label 413 DME will work in a 318. The 413 is for a 6 cylinder engine. The 95 325 and 525 could use the 413 after the EWS was bypassed because the Vanos engined 325 and 525 used the same engine management electronics as did the 95 models, except for the EWS.

Back to your situation. All of the fuel delivery system checks that I mentioned should work on your 318. It is only checking the fuel system and not the spark/ignition. Once you confirm that the fuel delivery system is functioning (i.e. fuel pump is working, you have adequate fuel pressure at the rail etc.), then you will have to start looking at ignition issues.

If your fuel pump is functioning by jumping the relay terminals and you have proper fuel pressure at the rail, and the car STILL will not start, then I think you have to look at the issue of the red label 413 DME in a 318. If the DME is not correct, then the timing of ignition of the coils, plugs, and injectors will be all screwed up. Plus, it has to be correct to tell the fuel pump to run.

If your previous (i.e. original) DME was okay, and it was just the EWS that was screwed up, then there may be a EWS delete chip for your original DME. Not sure on this one.

Let us know how the fuel system checks work out.

I wish you luck on this. No-starts on these cars can be a bear to figure out.
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Old 10-10-2012, 12:41 PM
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I believe I had a issue with my EWS after the delete it will crank, I have made progess
The reason I didn't want to go with the red DME is because they are only for the non vanos engines . So I went with just the ews2 delete chip with stage 1 performance set up , as to I didnt want to go with an older DME , and thank God I found one on eBay . It raised my rpm redline to 6700 and took out my top speed governor and it shifts a lot better with a higher shift band on drive . Down side is it should be run only with 91 octane and above and that's fine with me since I use 91 since acquiring the vehicle . Hope you let us know what fixed her . Good luck
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Old 10-10-2012, 12:47 PM
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The reason I didn't want to go with the red DME is because they are only for the non vanos engines . So I went with just the ews2 delete chip with stage 1 performance set up , as to I didnt want to go with an older DME , and thank God I found one on eBay . It raised my rpm redline to 6700 and took out my top speed governor and it shifts a lot better with a higher shift band on drive . Down side is it should be run only with 91 octane and above and that's fine with me since I use 91 since acquiring the vehicle . Hope you let us know what fixed her . Good luck
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Hey Noel. Actually, the red label 413 DME is what came in the Vanos equipped 93 and 94 model M50 engines. That's why it will work with the Vanos equipped M50 in the 95 model once the EWS is bypassed. The non-Vanos engines were equipped with a brown label 402 DME. My confidence level on this info is pretty high, but not 100%.
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Old 10-10-2012, 01:38 PM
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Just made a jumper for the relay, pump is working I can here it hum as well as blowing under the hood. Still no start.
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got the idea from this
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Just made a jumper for the relay, pump is working I can here it hum as well as blowing under the hood. Still no start.
Hmmmm .... It sounds like it is not a fuel delivery problem then.

It could be something such as a failed crankshaft position sensor (CPS). Have you checked it per the Bentley manual?

Unfortunately, I don't think the red label DME is compatible with your engine. This is begining to sound like your EWS was faulty, but with the 318, the DME swap I did will not work.

You can consider researching if there is an EWS delete chip for your original DME. If so, then you could put everything back to stock and install the chip.

Do you know a good, reputable independent BMW mechanic? If so, it may be worth the cost to have it diagnosed properly. It is hard to assist with no-starts over the net, especially on 95 models.
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Old 10-10-2012, 02:09 PM
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Thanks so much for all the insight. what about this for a plan?

I'll buy the $300 Tuner chip for my original silver DME.
Leave the EWS II wires in bypass and leave the small green wire cut.

BMW was talking 2 grand as an estimate, I can tinker ALOT for 2 grand!


Ya think this idea might work

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BMW-E36-M3-S...-/150692403492
Will this work?
My car is a 4 cyl

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Old 10-10-2012, 02:39 PM
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Ok so I just got some terrible news.
Chris over at Turner Motorsports says they do not make a chip for a 318 4cyl with EWS II
Bypass for my Silver DME

Scrap yard lol
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Old 10-10-2012, 05:15 PM
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Hey Noel. Actually, the red label 413 DME is what came in the Vanos equipped 93 and 94 model M50 engines. That's why it will work with the Vanos equipped M50 in the 95 model once the EWS is bypassed. The non-Vanos engines were equipped with a brown label 402 DME. My confidence level on this info is pretty high, but not 100%.


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Old 10-10-2012, 05:16 PM
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Thanks so much for all the insight. what about this for a plan?

I'll buy the $300 Tuner chip for my original silver DME.
Leave the EWS II wires in bypass and leave the small green wire cut.

BMW was talking 2 grand as an estimate, I can tinker ALOT for 2 grand!


Ya think this idea might work

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BMW-E36-M3-S...-/150692403492
Will this work?
My car is a 4 cyl


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