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Old 05-02-2011, 10:02 AM
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Charging Woes

This weekend my 535i started showing the 'battery discharging' message. It still starts, but it's disconcerting.

I tried removing my ipod but that didn't help.

Search showed some threads here and elsewhere about this but seemed to be in cars with comfort access-- which I do not have.

Anybody else having this problem? Suggestions? Thanks!
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Old 05-02-2011, 10:05 AM
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Old 05-02-2011, 10:33 AM
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Minimum twice a day, 15 miles or so each way. about half freeway, half on city streets. Also, it's warm here, so temperatures aren't the problem.
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Old 05-02-2011, 12:05 PM
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This shouldn't be happening on a car this new on a daily driver. I drive the car very short distances and sometimes not for a few days. My SA told me to do myself a favor and get a Battery Tender
I would first take the car to the dealer to see if they will deal with the problem for free. Then going forward...
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Old 05-02-2011, 12:14 PM
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Now have an appt on Wed. I'll let you folks know how it goes.
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Old 05-03-2011, 09:52 AM
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Update and a question

now that I've made the appt, the problem has vanished. Of course.

Earlier on this thread the suggestion of a trickle charger was made, and the dealer concurs.

Is there any reason to buy a BMW charger? The dealer's parts guy says he's got one that works in the cigarette lighter. I thought that the power outlets were shut off when the car was off...
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Old 05-03-2011, 10:27 AM
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With your drive cycle there should be no reason to buy the charger. If your car sat for a weeks on end then yes, you should buy the charger. In the E60, the lighter indeed was shut off when the car was off, and I am assuming its the same for an F10.
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Old 05-03-2011, 10:45 AM
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I drive a lot less than many and spread it over 3 vehicles so after reading this post I picked up a Schumacher SEM-1562A 1.5 Amp Speed Charge Maintainer from Wal-Mart for $20 bucks.

Pretty cool in that its auto senses 6V or 12V so I can charge my lawn tractor as well as cars. It has a "brain" and can be left on indefinitely.

Interestingly the F10 took only a couple of hours to top off whereas the lawn tractor was overnight and my S2000 is still charging after 24 hours. It gets the least driving time and then more often shorter distances.
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Old 05-03-2011, 11:04 AM
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Have not noticed any battery issue with my car, but based on reading here, and the fact that I drive mine only on weekends, and less than those that have already reported problems, I bought a batter battery charger from amazon (same as the BMW one but without the BMW logo). It took about 20 hours to fully charge my battery when I first hooked it up. BTW, I bought the car in March. Now, I just hook it up on Sunday night, and take it off when I am ready to drive it say on Friday or so. It charges and maintains the battery at the appropriate level.
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now that I've made the appt, the problem has vanished. Of course.

Earlier on this thread the suggestion of a trickle charger was made, and the dealer concurs.

Is there any reason to buy a BMW charger? The dealer's parts guy says he's got one that works in the cigarette lighter. I thought that the power outlets were shut off when the car was off...
The BMW charger appears to be the same as the http://batterytender.com/ I got one from Amazon. It works well.

Your suspicions are confirmed. The lighter power outlets go off in minutes after the car is turned off - making the battery terminals under the hood, the only place you can access for charging without hacking in.

Since I usually drive my car only a short distance and often leave it behind in favor of my bicycle, I did a charging jack install, so I didn't have to open my hood all the time. I'll try to do a post about this install soon, but I should add that the motivation was that I often found the resting battery voltage below 12.4V. 12.4V and below is when sulphation starts. I even found it at 11.9V once - very low, not good. More on this when I do the install post.

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now that I've made the appt, the problem has vanished. Of course.

Earlier on this thread the suggestion of a trickle charger was made, and the dealer concurs.

Is there any reason to buy a BMW charger? The dealer's parts guy says he's got one that works in the cigarette lighter. I thought that the power outlets were shut off when the car was off...
I try and avoid the stealership like the plague. yeah 45 bucks and piece of mind. Or $900 battery. Seems like an easy decision.
If you look at the charger they sell on the BMW store online, it looks exactly like the Deltran Battery Tender Plus.

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Old 05-03-2011, 01:20 PM
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The BMW charger appears to be the same as the http://batterytender.com/ I got one from Amazon. It works well.

Your suspicions are confirmed. The lighter power outlets go off in minutes after the car is turned off - making the battery terminals under the hood, the only place you can access for charging without hacking in.

Since I usually drive my car only a short distance and often leave it behind in favor of my bicycle, I did a charging jack install, so I didn't have to open my hood all the time. I'll try to do a post about this install soon, but I should add that the motivation was that I often found the resting battery voltage below 12.4V. 12.4V and below is when sulphation starts. I even found it at 11.9V once - very low, not good. More on this when I do the install post.

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Would like to see your install post on the charging jack.

I use a couple CTEK chargers (3300 and 7000) that have worked very well for me on various vehicles.
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Old 05-07-2011, 08:09 PM
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So I haven't had the warning since last weekend.

I canceled the visit to the dealer and haven't had any problems since.

I'm leaving tomorrow for 2 wks so I bought the BMW charger. For the record I drove the car about 40 miles today, half freeway, half in town.

This evening I hooked up the charger and according the the lights on the charger, the battery is below 80% charged.

This seems pretty bad to me-- a 5 1/2 month old car, driven a pretty fair amount each day including today, down at least 20% on it's charge.

Am I right to be concerned or should I take the lights on the charger with a grain of salt?

By the way, the charger instructions say to leave the hood open when charging... I can't see why given that the battery is in the trunk. Perhaps I should leave the trunk open?
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Sorry to be contrary but none of this fussing with chargers should be required with this car unless it's in storage. You won't hurt anything with a charger but the car should be fine even after being left standing for a month without one. Problems after a few hours or days are just not on! As for your battery being at 80%, that doesn't sound right. My guess is your battery has a problem and should be replaced. Have your dealer check it.

ps yes, leave the trunk open, not the hood
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Old 05-08-2011, 07:21 AM
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I believe it shows red when first connected, even if you connected it after it has been showing green. However, you will notice that it goes from red to fully charged in no time on a fully charged battery. I suspect it does this as it takes time to fully determine the battery's condition.

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This evening I hooked up the charger and according the the lights on the charger, the battery is below 80% charged.

This seems pretty bad to me-- a 5 1/2 month old car, driven a pretty fair amount each day including today, down at least 20% on it's charge.

Am I right to be concerned or should I take the lights on the charger with a grain of salt?

By the way, the charger instructions say to leave the hood open when charging... I can't see why given that the battery is in the trunk. Perhaps I should leave the trunk open?
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Old 05-08-2011, 08:30 AM
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Overnight the thing went to flashing green over red. Popping the trunk caused the green light to go out. 12 hrs after hooking it up, it's still not fully charged. There's probably something wrong here. I'll take it up with the dealer after the vacation.
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I had this same problem pop up on my 550GT when is was just a few months old. Turned out to be a battery problem. After the dealer ran the car through a bunch of diagnostics, they replaced the battery and its been fine ever since.
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I also have a hard time with using a charger on a daily driver. I keep a tender on my bike, but it at times goes weeks with out use (Battery Tender) My wife used a mercedes as a daily driver for over 5 years, her normal trip to work was 3 miles each way, then to the mall or grocery store once a week which both are a very short distance and never had a issue with the battery, We would take it out for a longer run but this only happened once every 2-3 months. I really do not expect that BMW should respond any different..If the battery is below 80% after a 40 mile drive, you have either a charging problem or a battery problem. I would lean more toward battery.
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Like others mentioned, since you drive it daily, it should not require charging, so may be something is wrong with the battery. I drive mine only on the weekend and not usually for long distances. And even with that, I have not have any battery issues or warnings. I just started using the tender since, for now, the car sits more than it's driven.
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Overnight the thing went to flashing green over red. Popping the trunk caused the green light to go out. 12 hrs after hooking it up, it's still not fully charged. There's probably something wrong here. I'll take it up with the dealer after the vacation.
It took the charger 20 hours the first time I used it, so I would leave it on there.
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FYI: Deltran Battery Tender and BMWs

From Mike Miller (Roundel Tech Talk) "Old School Maintenance":
"Note that starting in 2006 BMW began using gel cell-type batteries as original equipment
and replacement parts. According to Deltran, BMW found that the Deltran Battery
Tender Plus overcharges BMWs new style gel cell batteries, reducing battery life.
Deltrans testing did not reveal overcharging, but currently Deltran does not recommend
the Battery Tender Plus or any of their chargers for use with BMWs new style gel cell
batteries, installed in 2006-on new BMW cars and sold over the parts counter starting in
2006. Instead, Deltran recommends using only the BMW Advanced Battery Charging
System
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Interesting....I thought BMW was only using GEL batteries in their motorcycles and the cars were using AGM.
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Guys:

Unless you are getting error messages, I would not be using the battery charger.

When my car was in the shop the last time, I had an extensive conversation with the shop foreman. One of the things we spoke about was the charging system. Because of the efficient dynamics alternator on demand, the system generally does not charge the battery to full capacity so that there is usually capacity to run the charge from the alternator in the battery. According to him, 80-85% was a normal level. I have a tendency to believe him as this was not an issue that my car was in for, rather it was a response to an off the cuff question I asked him.

I do not believe BMW has this system fully figured out yet. First, the level of "charging" issues that people are seeing is well above the norm. Second, the way that the ED system kicks in leads to less than fluid stopping, IMO.

Hopefully future software updates take care of it. However, as I said, if you are not having issues with the charging errors, or unless prompted, I would not run a battery charger.
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From Mike Miller (Roundel Tech Talk) "Old School Maintenance":
"Note that starting in 2006 BMW began using gel cell-type batteries as original equipment
and replacement parts. According to Deltran, BMW found that the Deltran Battery
Tender Plus overcharges BMWs new style gel cell batteries, reducing battery life.
Deltrans testing did not reveal overcharging, but currently Deltran does not recommend
the Battery Tender Plus or any of their chargers for use with BMWs new style gel cell
batteries, installed in 2006-on new BMW cars and sold over the parts counter starting in
2006. Instead, Deltran recommends using only the BMW Advanced Battery Charging
System
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I think this article does not apply to the F10. The battery in the F10 is not a gel cell, it's an AGM battery (Absorbed Glass Mat)
GEL vs. AGM Sealed Batteries
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BMW's battery chargers have been, at least the older ones, Battery Tenders rebranded with a new label and shifting the decimal point to the right. I doubt the "advanced charging system" is what the parts guy is offering you; I think that's the rather expensive in-house system they use for coding and such. Check out the Schumacher INC700A for that purpose. Exceeds in house charger requirements as of 2007.

Don't use trickle chargers. They will overcharge and damage your battery.

Personally I would be irate if I drove 30mi/day and the car was loosing charge.

Keep the car locked if you're not in it. It is beneficial for the battery (apparently CA will not allow car to go to sleep if you leave key near car) and for your car insurance (if car isn't locked no pay out)
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