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X3 F25 (2011 - current)
The latest X3 brings some added style and some new features to the BMW SUV family. Talk about the new F25 now!

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Old 05-05-2011, 07:22 PM
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Been looking for a new car awhile now, and have narrowed down to a few choices...including the new X3 28i and RDX w/AWD. Driven friend's BMW before but never owned one myself, could someone give me an honest opinion on if the X3 is really worth the extra 10-15k compare to the Acura RDX (with similar options)?

I am planning to purchase, not lease (which seem like most people do with BMW), and keep for 8-10 years. I only drive 7k/year, and mostly local.

I have test driven both once, and can definitely say i like the BMW more, but not the extra $. I have looked at other small SUVs too, but BMW and RDX seem to be best value at each price ranges....

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Old 05-05-2011, 07:52 PM
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I have driven both. The RDX is good, but not as good as the X3.

Depends on your own priorities, if you really enjoy driving and like to "push it" somewhat, the X3 will likely be more satisfying for you. If you are just using it for basic transportation/grocery-getter, the RDX is more than adequete, and better than many others. If you want "dead" handling, get the Lexus RX...
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Old 05-05-2011, 08:04 PM
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The RDX caries 551 lbs more on the front axle than the back...the X3 carries a mere 8 more in the rear....- it's the balance that makes the diff in handling..
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Old 05-05-2011, 08:47 PM
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What do you want the SUV for? What do you plan to do, and what are your priorities/expectations?
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Old 05-05-2011, 09:56 PM
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why SUV?...probably expecting a kid within the next few years so figure SUV will work better than a regular sedan.

and always liked/wanted a cross-over type car. and ill be honest, most of my driving is mainly for local commute to work. so i suppose i'm struggling with the need vs want
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Old 05-05-2011, 09:58 PM
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why SUV?...probably expecting a kid within the next few years so figure SUV will work better than a regular sedan.

and always liked/wanted a cross-over type car. and ill be honest, most of my driving is mainly for local commute to work. so i suppose i'm struggling with the need vs want
The reason I ask, is because too many folks buy a BMW and then complain about the small foibles, preventative maintenance costs (the included "Free" Maintenance means "no" maintenance), and other small hiccups. There is (was) a lot of driving joy to be had so many of us don't care that the ATF costs $120 for half a litre and can't be fully drained, the battery doesn't like short trips, the dipstick is electronic, or that the navigation takes people from Point A to Point B via Munich and Helsinki.

For your purposes, unless you're determined to own a BMW and deal with the occasional problems, I'd go with something else. The RDX rides hard so I don't know if that's for you either. Have you considered any other vehicles? BMWs are complex computers on wheels and although problems are not guaranteed to happen, they are irritating to duplicate and rectify.
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Old 05-06-2011, 07:03 AM
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dckang,
I'll give you some figures and you decide on your own which one has more value:
MSRP (Base)================================RDX $34,620.00 X3 $36,750.00
***5 Year Total Cost Of Ownership***
Depreciation================================RDX $15,852.00 X3 $20,343.00---->(X3 resumes a higher value)
Fuel=====================================RDX $12,653.00 X3 $11,221.00---->(X3 saves more)
Maintenance================================RDX $2,494.00 X3 $2,326.00---->(X3 is less- Also the first 4 years is $0)

Insurance=================================RDX $5,385.00 X3 $6,350.00------>(RDX cheaper)
Repairs===================================RDX $385.00 X3 $1,300.00------>(RDX cheaper- X3 4 year free maintenance might compensate a bit)

***Total cost of 5 year***======================RDX $41,166.00 X3 $46,516.00----->(State Fees, Financing cost also play in favor of RDX by a small fraction)
***5 year cost of similar vehicles*** ==================$43,844.00 $45,439.00----->(RDX is below average by 2K and X3 above average by 1K)
Eventually by an average of 2K extra you would be driving the Ultimate Bavarian-Engined Driving Machine and not a Japense!!!
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Old 05-06-2011, 07:34 AM
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dckang,
I'll give you some figures and you decide on your own which one has more value:
MSRP (Base)================================RDX $34,620.00 X3 $36,750.00
***5 Year Total Cost Of Ownership***
Depreciation================================RDX $15,852.00 X3 $20,343.00---->(X3 resumes a higher value)
Fuel=====================================RDX $12,653.00 X3 $11,221.00---->(X3 saves more)
Maintenance================================RDX $2,494.00 X3 $2,326.00---->(X3 is less- Also the first 4 years is $0)

Insurance=================================RDX $5,385.00 X3 $6,350.00------>(RDX cheaper)
Repairs===================================RDX $385.00 X3 $1,300.00------>(RDX cheaper- X3 4 year free maintenance might compensate a bit)

***Total cost of 5 year***======================RDX $41,166.00 X3 $46,516.00----->(State Fees, Financing cost also play in favor of RDX by a small fraction)
***5 year cost of similar vehicles*** ==================$43,844.00 $45,439.00----->(RDX is below average by 2K and X3 above average by 1K)
Eventually by an average of 2K extra you would be driving the Ultimate Bavarian-Engined Driving Machine and not a Japense!!!
Not sure the source of your figures, but you should deduct the resale value "x" years out; then you might get close to a true cost to own. It may be that the X3 is not pricier after-all.

Although, I venture to say that few of us buy a BMW because it is great "value"....
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Old 05-06-2011, 07:38 AM
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dc, you may want to look at some other offerings out there. With a new baby on the way a new Outback might be a good choice, or one of the XC types from Volvo. The XC60 and XC70 are excellent cars (with built in kiddie booster seats). Ford has improved greatly with their crossovers too the Edge and even the new Explorer are worth looking at. Go over to the Edmunds site and look at their reviews and true cost to own figures. The BMW may be what you want, but it is not the only car/suv/sav out there by any means. The biggest thing in a car you will need right now is the ease of putting in a rear facing infant seat in whatever you get! Good luck and congratulations!

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Old 05-06-2011, 07:41 AM
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So I just got a new x3 and I just gave back my rdx. I did enjoy the rdx a lot - fun car and just about as fast as my new 28, just not as smoothe. The Acura is fairly luxurious and the tech package is great as well. Only u can answer if u want true luxury or if the Acura is enough. Like do u want a wood interior or is wood colored plastic ok, and so on. If you are going rdx w/ tech you can probably get an x3 for around 100 more if u get leatherette And leave off a couple other small options and if you're using your car in a simpler way then you may not need navigation and some other features so a more simply equipped x3 may be the way to go.
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Old 05-06-2011, 07:48 AM
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Not sure the source of your figures, but you should deduct the resale value "x" years out; then you might get close to a true cost to own. It may be that the X3 is not pricier after-all.

Although, I venture to say that few of us buy a BMW because it is great "value"....
this is the residual value.. meaning that X3 has a higher resale price vs. RDX (number of years calculated...)
I agree with your "value" point...
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Old 05-06-2011, 07:56 AM
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Hey DC,
(I can't believe I'm saying this ) but if you need a car with huge interior space, I've got a company car " 2011 Chevi- Equinox " this car has a "way-below-average" rate when it comes to performance, but man you should see the interior space... you got all the space you need.... my kids are comfortable sitting in rear car seats and have a lot of space. And the price...you can get 2 for the price of one X3
It's a compromise...!!! Kids come first buddy...
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Old 05-06-2011, 10:28 AM
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Thanks for all the responses.

We looked at bigger SUVs (MDX, highlander...) but just really do not need all that size. Smaller SUVs fit us well. the baby may not be for 2 years...who knows. we just need something can fit a carseat, and we can easily put items in the trunk.

I actuall was not too concerned with the maintance cost of the BMW...but i do plan to get the extended warranty in the future if i go the BMW route.

The BMW i built on the website came out to be 44k MSRP (premium package & misc items)
(By the way, is the AWD system on RDX good?)

other smaller suv we looked at:

Q5: would only get the 2.0 Premium Plus..but for 2-4k more rather get BMW (but still in consideration)
FX35: too small interior...really awkward design.
RAV4/CRV: not what we want in a new car....
Murano: options cost add up really fast...by then rather get the RDX or X3
RX350: everyone has one...itsreally similiar price as X3?
Volvo: kinda boring

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Old 05-06-2011, 11:09 AM
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It looks as if you've already made up your mind pal... it is a X3!!!
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Old 05-06-2011, 11:20 AM
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but i cant seem to justify myself to spend extra 10-15k for the X3 over RDX...

maybe Q5 will be a good inbetween.
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Old 05-06-2011, 11:33 AM
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don't know... but just wanted to remind you that you are in Bimmer site!!! I would never buy a RDX or any other Japanese over Bevarian engine no matter what the delta is...
Audi has different story though...it's german engineered!
personally i would choose Audi over Mercedes but never over a BMW!
Also from a gap perspective between Audi and BMW, it is so little than i wouldn't go for Audi.
then again, it's your call...
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Old 05-06-2011, 12:14 PM
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dc, get the X3 if you are not having the baby for two years. Enjoy those years and have fun up and down the coast on the great twisty roads we have here. When the new arrival comes, then sell the bimmer and get a mini van or three row SUV (like the Acadia). You will not believe the amount of impedimentia that a new baby requires for any sort of outing! Sure you can jam it in an X3 but you will really want more room (or rather the wife will want more room!) and there is no substitute for cubic inches -- to use a phrase from the past. Good luck and enjoy the bimmer. Get the 35i, you will not regret it and savor those two years before mini van time.
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Just coming from an '09 Murano SL I have to say it was a great vehicle. Doesn't handle like a BMW, but it had just about every option BMW does and then some, was comfortable and had great room in it. It held it's value well too. I sold it outright on Craigs list. Paid $32,000 for it new and sold it 2 years later for $28,400. Has a great reliability record too.
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A friend's new Q5 is experiencing quality issues. Plastic water pump replaced with metal pump, rear view mirrors falling off, fuel pump went bad. All in the first 3 months. He's not a happy camper. And considering that I and another friend own BMW's and advised him to get an X3, he's even more pissed now.
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A friend's new Q5 is experiencing quality issues. Plastic water pump replaced with metal pump, rear view mirrors falling off, fuel pump went bad. All in the first 3 months. He's not a happy camper. And considering that I and another friend own BMW's and advised him to get an X3, he's even more pissed now.
Don't fall into the trap of "my friend's car is falling apart so therefore Audi sux" - I believe you, it probably is, but Audi , just like everyone else, has a bad build every now and then. Everything in this hi-line class is put together pretty well these days or they would not be able to compete.And Audi had good share gains in 2010...
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Don't fall into the trap of "my friend's car is falling apart so therefore Audi sux" - I believe you, it probably is, but Audi , just like everyone else, has a bad build every now and then. Everything in this hi-line class is put together pretty well these days or they would not be able to compete.And Audi had good share gains in 2010...
I didn't say that Audi was crap, I'm not a noob when it comes to comparing different manufacturers models. The 3 of us are "car guys" and we talk about the problems with his Q5 frequently, as we talk about problems with my X5, our other friends 5 series, my Vette, and my 2 previous X5's ('01 and '04).

That being said, the water pump issue is endemic to the Q5. It's not a matter of if, but when, it will need to be replaced with the new metal pump.

But thanks for the advice

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Doesn't BMW have a plastic water pump too?
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Doesn't BMW have a plastic water pump too?
I'm not sure. some BMW's have hpfp issues, some Audi's have water pump issues. I guess neither is immune to problems.

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maybe Q5 will be a good inbetween.
If you don't actually need ground clearance, consider an Audi A4 Avant. My Dad has a great A4 2.0T Avant, and it's really a pleasure to drive. It has enough technology, but not too much technology. It also has that great panoramic sunroof that I like from the X3.

I only drive an SUV because I regularly take it on dirt/gravel Forest Service roads in the Cascade mountains. If I didn't need the ground clearance, I'd never sacrifice the handling of my old BMW 330Ci convertible.

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