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Old 08-01-2015, 08:08 PM
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E90 328xi mt to MK7 GTI DSG

I've been shopping for an auto trans since May. I've been driving MTs for 30 years and it is time for a car that my wife can drive while I use her Suburban for hauling our 2 Mastiffs and 1 Labrador.
Last weekend I drove: 228xi sport, 328 msport, 335 msport and an M235xi.
I went to Thursday's sign and drive, got my coupon and was ready to lease an M235xi. I left a $500 deposit. I loved the 8spd ZF transmission and the gobs of power. This car felt like my dream car.
By 7:30 PM, I had traded my E90 328xi for a MK 7 GTI SE. It is that good! On the track, the M235 would tear it to shreds. On the street, where I drive, the MK7 is much lighter, more tossable, feels almost as fast, has quicker steering and is more usable.
I am not trolling. I just wanted to share my experience. The MK 7 is about 100% better than the E90 328xi. On the street, it is about 85-90% as good as the M235xi at about 60% the price.
I was shocked at how good this MK7 really is. I had a 1983 GTI and a 2007 GTI and neither car came close to this little 3,000lb monster. My E90 could not touch this car, either.
It was so good, I bought it on the spot.
Again, I'm not trolling. The car is really, really great. Test drive one and post your impressions.
On the street, the MK7 was a better performer than all but the M235. The car is magic at $28k. The MK7 mechanical redesign was managed by the guy who built the 911GT3. The VW/Porsche alignment may have been the best thing to ever happen for the GTI.

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Old 08-02-2015, 06:07 AM
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Old 08-02-2015, 07:15 AM
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dude, same here. u comparing apples n oranges.I am fortunate to own both n54/e92 6MT with perf exhuast and mk7 DSG GTI
For a daily driver the mk7 DSG Gti is simply king. No competition. Tossable, cheap compared to the bimmer, loads fun , awesome hp-torque per dollar ratio/value at over 200 hp/250 torque, rev match on downshifts with throttle blips, practical with 4 doors, hatch, awesome visibility..If you need one car that can do it all it's the mk7

And then we have the deep exotic sound of the N54 PE. You have to hear to get orgasm.. The low rpm backfire spit and burble, classic bmw handling that the mk7 can only dream. Lets not go there..
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Old 08-02-2015, 08:45 PM
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Grats you have a Volkswagon
Grats to me for my ability to sniff out the best, most fun driving car, while ignoring badges. I was ready to pick up the M235. I left a deposit. The GTI was simply better on the road.
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There's not a damn thing wrong with choosing a VW GTI. I've owned many GTIs over the years and the bang for the buck is unbeatable.
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By 7:30 PM, I had traded my E90 328xi for a MK 7 GTI SE. It is that good! On the track, the M235 would tear it to shreds. On the street, where I drive, the MK7 is much lighter, more tossable, feels almost as fast, has quicker steering and is more usable.
I am not trolling. I just wanted to share my experience. The MK 7 is about 100% better than the E90 328xi. On the street, it is about 85-90% as good as the M235xi at about 60% the price.
I was shocked at how good this MK7 really is. I had a 1983 GTI and a 2007 GTI and neither car came close to this little 3,000lb monster. My E90 could not touch this car, either.
It was so good, I bought it on the spot.
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I agree with you

In Australia we have

125i to compete with 7 GTI
M135i to compete with 7R
125i M to compete twith 7 GTI PP (performance pack)

and BMW struggles to move 1 series out of the show rooms, GTI outsell them

7GTI PP is the hot hatch bench mark now

we also have

Renault megane RS, Focus ST, Opel Astra VXR, Subaru WRX/STI etc. as hot hatches and they just can't compete with GTI

Mind you Opel VXR and Megane RS are great looking hot hatch



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2017 Ford Focus RS to steal the Hot Hatch Title !!!!!!!
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2017 Ford Focus RS to steal the Hot Hatch Title !!!!!!!
That is a good looking little car. How much?
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That is a good looking little car. How much?
Price was just leaked for U.S. today: $36,605 base

@ Silver - agreed but that is not available in the US.
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currently hot hatch title (if price is not an issue) belongs to A45 AMG

Looks nice but I am not fan of pricey hatches
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Price was just leaked for U.S. today: $36,605 base

@ Silver - agreed but that is not available in the US.
Kinda pricey.. Id prob get a Subaru WRX for that price.
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Wow! The A45 AMG is gorgeous! I always loved the Megane.
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currently hot hatch title (if price is not an issue) belongs to A45 AMG

Yeah, why should $64,000 be an issue?

I think I'd spend the 64K on a 2016 Shelby GT350R and blow that overpriced little German econo-box all the way back to Stuttgart!


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Have you seen the new Mustangs? They are huge...bloated huge. I'll take the little AMG, or a GTI over a Mustang; any Mustang. Since I bought my 328, I've learned what is important to me in a car. The E90 328 was bigger and heavier than any fun, sporty car should ever be. It was not fun. It was work to drive. I drove an msport 335 the other day. It was fast, but more of a muscle car than a sports sedan. 3,600 lbs is a fun stealer. A camaro ss weighs 3,600 lbs. BMWs and Audi's keep getting heavier. They are given more HP to make up for the weight, but suffer as a result. The new GTI weighs 3030lbs and feels like a Porsche compared to its BMW and Audi counterparts. When is the bloat going to end?
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Have you seen the new Mustangs? They are huge...bloated huge. I'll take the little AMG, or a GTI over a Mustang; any Mustang. Since I bought my 328, I've learned what is important to me in a car. The E90 328 was bigger and heavier than any fun, sporty car should ever be. It was not fun. It was work to drive. I drove an msport 335 the other day. It was fast, but more of a muscle car than a sports sedan. 3,600 lbs is a fun stealer. A camaro ss weighs 3,600 lbs. BMWs and Audi's keep getting heavier. They are given more HP to make up for the weight, but suffer as a result. The new GTI weighs 3030lbs and feels like a Porsche compared to its BMW and Audi counterparts. When is the bloat going to end?
That "little" AMG weighs 3100 lbs and is a tall, four door hatchback.

I agree that cars are becoming too big and heavy, but I have not only "seen" the new Mustang but driven two of them (both GT's). Very tossable and quick for their weight.
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After years of FWD cars, I'd have trouble seeing the GTI being that much better now that i have RWD. Taking the propulsion away from the steering has such a dramatic impact on handling and how the car responds to throttle and steering inputs. The GTI is imagine is more nimble sure, but at the cost of ride quality and overall luxury. I love that balance the BMW has. It's a luxury sedan first, sports car 2nd.

Definitely apples and oranges. A MazdaSpeed3, Hyundai Genesis 2dr, or a Honda Civic Si might be more in it's class. Just my take. But ultimately, if the car "speaks" to you, get it!
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There's not a damn thing wrong with choosing a VW GTI. I've owned many GTIs over the years and the bang for the buck is unbeatable.
Second that. I had a GTI VR6. Tons of fun for the money! However, I'd be hard pressed to pass on a M235 (not the xi). While the VW gets the bang for the buck nod, I'm not sure about the long term value. After 3 years, my GTI was just beat. I ended up rolling out of it before my loan was up. By comparison, I had my BMW 325ci for the next 11 years and 160K miles. Ran far better than the VW with a fraction of those miles...

That said, that was many years/VW GTI iterations ago..so I really can't say how the new GTI's hold up over time.

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An Audi A3 would be a much more fair comparison. Actually a Mini Cooper S would be a good alternate to the GTI.
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Have you seen the new Mustangs? They are huge...bloated huge. I'll take the little AMG, or a GTI over a Mustang; any Mustang. Since I bought my 328, I've learned what is important to me in a car. The E90 328 was bigger and heavier than any fun, sporty car should ever be. It was not fun. It was work to drive. I drove an msport 335 the other day. It was fast, but more of a muscle car than a sports sedan. 3,600 lbs is a fun stealer. A camaro ss weighs 3,600 lbs. BMWs and Audi's keep getting heavier. They are given more HP to make up for the weight, but suffer as a result. The new GTI weighs 3030lbs and feels like a Porsche compared to its BMW and Audi counterparts. When is the bloat going to end?
Well, what about the 1 series?
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I can't stand coopers interior
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Well, what about the 1 series?
M135i is an awesome car

just that Golf 7R is cheaper and slightly quicker and better looking

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