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Old 06-02-2011, 07:31 AM
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Hello,

I'm about to place a deposit on a 2012 BMX X5 35i with the Sports Activity package. I love the wide stock performance wheels that come with the vehicle, but being a New Yorker, we get pounded by snow during the winter time. Fortunately, I have the option of getting the 19" all weather tires instead. I'm also planning to get the space saver spare just for a peace of mind.

I drive a lot.

How will the tires react if I used the performance tires during the winter time?

Is there anyone here who have used the performance tires in the snow and what are their experiences/advice?

What am I sacrificing by switching to the 19" all weather tires as opposed to the 20" performance tires?

Thanks in advance for your feed back!!
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Old 06-02-2011, 07:39 AM
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Hello,

I'm about to place a deposit on a 2012 BMX X5 35i with the Sports Activity package. I love the wide stock performance wheels that come with the vehicle, but being a New Yorker, we get pounded by snow during the winter time. Fortunately, I have the option of getting the 19" all weather tires instead. I'm also planning to get the space saver spare just for a peace of mind.

I drive a lot.

How will the tires react if I used the performance tires during the winter time?

Is there anyone here who have used the performance tires in the snow and what are their experiences/advice?

What am I sacrificing by switching to the 19" all weather tires as opposed to the 20" performance tires?

Thanks in advance for your feed back!!
20's are awesome looking but couldn't justify the cost when replacements needed. they are low profile so tread wears out early. I went with the 19 all weather tires. By giving up the 20's, you lose the flared arches. That wasn't enough to sway me. Plus a 5,000 ton machine riding on the thickness of paper didn't appeal to me either.
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Old 06-02-2011, 08:16 AM
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The absolute best, all around package is to get the X5 built 20" staggered wheels and performance tires, and a spare tire. Then buy a set of 18" take-offs and mount them with dedicated snow tires for the winter. The 18's will give you much better protection fron potholes than even the 19's, especially if you go with non-RFT snows. (Getting the $150 spare tire lets you avoid RFT's; given the cost of RFT's, the option will pay for itself many times over.

The 20's really complete the look of the Sport Package. Even if the 19's handled as well (and at the end of the day, it is still a truck), I'd pop for the extra expense of the 20's just because they look so good.

The OE 20" tires are spendy to replace. If you are leasing, the solution is to run them to close to the end of their treadlife, replace them with non-RFT's of the same size (Conti DWS's are a great choice), then put the RFT's back on right before you return the vehicle. If you are not leasing, just run the OE's to the wear bars, and replace them. Agian, spending $150 on the factory spare is an important part of this strategy.
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Old 06-02-2011, 08:19 AM
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20's are awesome looking but couldn't justify the cost when replacements needed. they are low profile so tread wears out early. I went with the 19 all weather tires. By giving up the 20's, you lose the flared arches. That wasn't enough to sway me. Plus a 5,000 ton machine riding on the thickness of paper didn't appeal to me either.
For the sake of accuracy, the reduced tread life has nothing to do with the low profile - it is strictly due to the fact that they are summer performance tires, hence have a softer compound. Anecdotal evidence suggests that the Conti DW's (which are all-seasons, not summer performance tire) have significantly longer tread life than the OE Dunlops. And obviously, the Conti's are the exact same profile.
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Old 06-02-2011, 08:49 AM
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Thanks for the advice Quackbury. Unfortunately, I don't want to spend extra money on spare 18" for just the winter time. Plus, my garage is small enough already so I don't have the luxury of space. I'd probably choose convenience over looks over this issue but thanks for the advice if I decide to change my mind. You're right in that the 20"s really complete the look of the X5.
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Old 06-02-2011, 09:18 AM
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The absolute best, all around package is to get the X5 built 20" staggered wheels and performance tires, and a spare tire. Then buy a set of 18" take-offs and mount them with dedicated snow tires for the winter. The 18's will give you much better protection fron potholes than even the 19's, especially if you go with non-RFT snows. (Getting the $150 spare tire lets you avoid RFT's; given the cost of RFT's, the option will pay for itself many times over.

The 20's really complete the look of the Sport Package. Even if the 19's handled as well (and at the end of the day, it is still a truck), I'd pop for the extra expense of the 20's just because they look so good.

The OE 20" tires are spendy to replace. If you are leasing, the solution is to run them to close to the end of their treadlife, replace them with non-RFT's of the same size (Conti DWS's are a great choice), then put the RFT's back on right before you return the vehicle. If you are not leasing, just run the OE's to the wear bars, and replace them. Agian, spending $150 on the factory spare is an important part of this strategy.
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Everyone's situation is different, and I respect that. But the X w/those fat, fat, tires is what I love most about my X. It just looks so damn good! I have a 18" winter set-up for the PA winters.
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Old 06-02-2011, 09:27 AM
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Joseph,

I strongly advise you to get the spare REGARDLESS of which wheels you go with. If you do not, you are stuck with RFT's for the life of the vehicle. And while RFT's can be driven a limited distance when deflated (under 100 miles), there are significant disadvantages to doing so.

First, what if there is no dealer / tire store within 100 miles that has the proper model and size of RFT in stock? If you don't have a spare, what are your options?

Second, even if there is a tire in stock, you will destroy a RFT if you drive on it deflated for any significant distance. With a replacement cost of $500 to $600, that's an expensive proposition.

Third, if you are leasing, the cost of the spare is added to the cap cost and residualized. With a +/- 50% residual value, the spare is "really" only costing you $75 over the life of the vehicle. It is short money, and well worth ticking that box on the build sheet.
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Old 06-02-2011, 09:56 AM
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Thanks Quack. I was definitely going to get the spare tire anyways. I've gotten a few flats in my lifetime and having one will most certainly give me a peace of mind when I'm driving. Speaking of the space saver spare, does it come with a jack and a lug nut wrench?

I'm not leasing the vehicle.
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Old 06-02-2011, 09:57 AM
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Just to throw in my two cents - we had a similar dilemma with our 50i. We own a home in the mountains and do a lot of snow driving during winter (35' of snowfall this year, so this isn't slick road driving, it's ploughing!). We built our vehicle with the sport package & 19" all seasons instead of the 20" 336's and obtained a set of those afterwards. For summer I've had the 20"'s installed.

In hindsight I would have done the reverse at time of purchase. I know you're talking a 35 but I believe the configs are similar. The 20"'s are very expensive to add later IF you can find them (versus the "small" 900 up-charge at configuration) but they can't be beat in terms of appearance and handling (this is VERY subjective, but I love the feel versus the 19"'s, it's very apparent). The 19"'s were champs in snow 6-12" deep and even in the steep winding passes we traverse.

I understand the concerns with storing the extra set (same difficulty here), but I have no regrets in hindsight other than not saving the $$$ by building with the 20"'s and then buying the much easier to obtain 19"'s on the side.

IMO either way though it's all icing and a nice "problem" to have!

FYI- the RFT package does not include a jack & wrench. S-saver spare setup does include these items. The jack has a square keyed head that matches up with a location on the underbody, so it's worthwhile to have the OEM version.

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Thanks Quack. I was definitely going to get the spare tire anyways. I've gotten a few flats in my lifetime and having one will most certainly give me a peace of mind when I'm driving. Speaking of the space saver spare, does it come with a jack and a lug nut wrench?

I'm not leasing the vehicle.
Yes, optional spare includes the jack and wrench. However, the (scissors) jack is really a poiece of crap. I always do my own winter changeover and decided to give the scissors jack a "test run" this year. It is damn near impossible to use; basically the handle feels like it is made of coathanger stock. So I used my floor jack instead.

I don't see this as a fatal flaw, though. If I get a flat, I can always call BMWAssist or AAA and let their road service crew use their own jack, or take the X5 to a local gas station and let them swap the wheel. So the odds of actually being forced to use the crappy OEM jack are realistically slim and none.
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Old 06-02-2011, 10:33 AM
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When you guys swap out your 20" for the 18" non-RFT wheels during the winter time, how does that affect the TPMS??
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Old 06-02-2011, 10:37 AM
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When you guys swap out your 20" for the 18" non-RFT wheels during the winter time, how does that affect the TPMS??
No effect at all, as both sets of my wheels have TPMS installed.
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One note on the TPM's- depending on the build date of your vehicle the TPM's may be different. There was a change made to TPM's in 10/2010, with younger vehicles receiving a different TPM that is not compatible with pre 10/2010 E70's.

Won't be an issue typically, but if you're picking up wheels & TPM's after the fact be sure to include your VIN & build date when requesting the parts. There's little distinction visibly, but newer & older won't communicate.
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Old 06-02-2011, 01:45 PM
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Thanks for the advice Quackbury. Unfortunately, I don't want to spend extra money on spare 18" for just the winter time. Plus, my garage is small enough already so I don't have the luxury of space. I'd probably choose convenience over looks over this issue but thanks for the advice if I decide to change my mind. You're right in that the 20"s really complete the look of the X5.
Another option may be to store the off season tires at the local tire shop you purchase the winters from (assuming you don't order them direct). I have mine stored for $60 / season. They also swap / balance them for free. Which is nice because those 20" 214s are HEAVY!
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I'm in NYC as well and have the 20's on my X5. This was the main reason I ponied up for the Sport pkg as it makes a huge visual difference from the other X5's on the road. I drove it w/the sport tires during winter (never on snow though) and the colder temps had no impact on the grip of the tires, probably due to the car's weight. Just drive more carefully and you should be fine. However, I won't recommend driving them on snow though, just look at their tread pattern and you'll see why.

IMO, you're best off ordering it with the 20's, then figure out a way to buy and store a set of winter rims/tires. Another option is to get the 20's, then swap/sell them for a smaller set and a small profit.

Lastly, maybe you can buy a winter beater for winter/snow and keep the 20's off snow-covered roads.



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Hello,

I'm about to place a deposit on a 2012 BMX X5 35i with the Sports Activity package. I love the wide stock performance wheels that come with the vehicle, but being a New Yorker, we get pounded by snow during the winter time. Fortunately, I have the option of getting the 19" all weather tires instead. I'm also planning to get the space saver spare just for a peace of mind.

I drive a lot.

How will the tires react if I used the performance tires during the winter time?

Is there anyone here who have used the performance tires in the snow and what are their experiences/advice?

What am I sacrificing by switching to the 19" all weather tires as opposed to the 20" performance tires?

Thanks in advance for your feed back!!
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Thanks for everyone's advice today!! I placed my order tonight and decided to stick with the 20" rims. I'll take Quackbury's advice and get a set of 18" non-RFT's for the winter. I also got the space saver spare tire. I got the space grey platinum with the black leather and bamboo wood trim.

Quack, can you point me to a decent set of 18" non-RFTs??

Thanks in advance!
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Excellent choice! Our 2007 was SG over black and it's a fantastic combo.

There is an easy way and a more challenging way to get the 18's. The easy way is to go to Tire Rack, Discount Tire or any of the BMW specific stores and buy 18" wheels from BBS, Borbet, Sport Edition or several other manufacturers. The advantage is that many of these wheels are inexpensive. The disadvantages are that they are inexpensive because they are cheaply made, and they are only manufactured for a limited time. So if you hit a pothole 2 years from now and break a wheel, it may literally be impossible to find a replacement.

The more difficult way (but much more rewarding) is to find someone who has purchased an X5 (e.g. just bought a CPO 2008) and wants to take off the factory rims and replace them with something "sexier." The advantage to take-offs is that the wheels are strong, you can always get a replacement through a BMW dealer, and they are usually very reasonably priced. They may have some curb rash, but you probably won't care too much about that if they are your winter set.

That is how I got mine. I checked the BF classifieds, the BMWCCA classifieds, and Craigslist. I ultimately found a set 25 miles from my house, which I got for a very reasonable price. When my lease is up in 2 1/2 years, I will re-sell them and probably recoup 2/3rds of what I paid for them. It may take a while to find a set that work for you, but if you start searching now, you've got a good 5 months before you really need them.

Obviously, there is a third option, too: buy a brand new set of 18's from the dealer. But I recommend you bring an ample supply of K-Y with you if you go that route....
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Thanks for everyone's advice today!! I placed my order tonight and decided to stick with the 20" rims. I'll take Quackbury's advice and get a set of 18" non-RFT's for the winter. I also got the space saver spare tire. I got the space grey platinum with the black leather and bamboo wood trim.

Quack, can you point me to a decent set of 18" non-RFTs??

Thanks in advance!
Also, don't be afraid of winter 20s with dedicated snow tires. Unless you are part time mountain search and rescue you won't stretch beyond 20" with dedicated snow tires' capability and they look MUCH better than 18s...
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Yes they look better. And if you lived someplace where the roads were fine, I could "maybe" buy the argument. But 20's with potholes? No thanks.

And the math doesn't add up. If you run the 20's year round and swap the tires twice a year, you are looking at $200 or more per year in mounting and balancing. If you go to the dealership and they rebuild the TPMS sensors every time they break the wheels down (as they should) it's more like $500/year.

With my 18's, I mounted the snows ONCE and they will stay mounted for the 3 winters I have the X5. And at the end of 3 years I get to sell the 18's and recoup at least half what I paid. Over the long haul, it is significantly cheaper to have dedicated winter wheels than to remount and rebalance constantly.

BTW pothole damage aside, the 18's with the non-RFT Blizzaks also ride better than the 20's with the summer performance tires. And that is the icing on the cake.
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you guys think the following is a good deal??

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/18-OE...item2c5b9ba75b

just don't know if it'll fit the 2012 X5..
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you guys think the following is a good deal??

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/18-OE...item2c5b9ba75b

just don't know if it'll fit the 2012 X5..
It'll fit.

I bought the same wheels/tires off of Craigslist new for that same price. You'll find them from people wanting to upgrade to aftermarket wheels and effectively get a new set of tires/wheels for less than cost of tires alone. Just be patient as the 2012 model is starting to get delivered in volume. People will upgrade wheels almost right away or not at all so you'll see a few hitting Craigslist. No one will "upgrade" to 18s so if you wait, people will drop price to cost of tires.
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The absolute best, all around package is to get the X5 built 20" staggered wheels and performance tires, and a spare tire. Then buy a set of 18" take-offs and mount them with dedicated snow tires for the winter.
This is the best way to go. I live in NYC and have the same setup. While the 20's are a much firmer ride it's not too bad and the look is much more aggressive than 19's.
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joseph, just keep in mind you'll need to buy a set of current TPM's for the 18's in that ebay auction. They were removed from a 2008 X5, so while they're a decent deal for a set of winters the added 300+/- make it a little less sweet
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I ordered with 18" RFTs and the space saver spare. Didn't care much for the sport wheels that came with the car whether 19" or 20", nor did I want the slightly stiffer Sports Suspension. The full sports package didn't seem to have enough benefits for me to order the option. Although the sport 20" wheels are really the right way to go, completes the X5 as mentioned. During production I bought the Style 215s with normal tires. Ordered the BERU TPMS for 10/10+ from BavarianX (did a lot of research, best pricing). No matter which way you cut it, in the Tri-State you need weather-appropriate wheel/tire setup. Ordering Blizzak LM-60s probably around November for the my stock 18s.
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People seem to confuse wheel size 18, 19, 20 with "performance".

20" rims are NOT 'better performance' than an 18 or 19.

It all depends on the TIRE you mount...and indeed the same tire on an 18 or 19 may in fact have better 'performance' in terms of grip and handling.
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