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Old 06-04-2011, 01:41 PM
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Difference between 11 335i and 11 335is?

So, I've had little conversation with my friend, who owns 08 335i who thinks 335is is just a 335 with fancy bumper and diffuser.

Well, I definitely know there are big differences between 335i and 335is..but not sure what those are.

I can think of..

1) Transmission.
335is comes with GS6-53DZ and 335i comes with GS6-45BZ, not sure what the differences are.

2) Gear ratio.
Means, different differential, but how different exactly? Does 335is have LSD? (I'm an e46 owner, LSD is all I can think of lol)

3) Numbers of options that don't come with ordinary 335i.
E46 ZHP has CF interior trim, alcantara seats/steering wheel, different steering rack, different suspension system, etc etc...


So, can anyone tell me more special features that 335is has??
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Old 06-04-2011, 01:45 PM
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More power due to different ECU setting, yes. Different engine? *correction* I thought 11 335is uses N55 as well. Does 335is still use N54?

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So, I've had little conversation with my friend, who owns 08 335i who thinks 335is is just a 335 with fancy bumper and diffuser.

Well, I definitely know there are big differences between 335i and 335is..but not sure what those are.

I can think of..

1) Transmission.
335is comes with GS6-53DZ and 335i comes with GS6-45BZ, not sure what the differences are.
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The first four forward gear ratios are sligthly different between the two transmissions.
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The first four forward gear ratios are sligthly different between the two transmissions.
That sounds good..
Presumably 335is transmission has higher gear ratio, gives faster acceleration, correct?
Hope someone can give more info about differential
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'is' only comes in coupe or convertible
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In addition to some of the features listed above: Larger water and oil coolers. More torque on demand. Exclusive aluminum interior trim. Exclusive exhaust system that sounds very sweet! Exclusive wheels. Blacked out trims, side mirrors and grill. Composite front fenders (does the 335i have these too?). My car is lowered from factory with 19" wheels (I just figured this out last week while my 335is was parked next to our M3 and a friend's 335i). All were 2011 model years. The hood is different and does not have the extra creases they put on the 335i and 328i (which I don't like anyway).
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Here's the pretty extensive list of differences that I detailed on my blog:
  • 320 HP single-scroll twin-turbocharged N54 engine vs. standard 300 HP twin-scroll single turbocharged N55 engine
  • 332 lb. ft. of torque vs. standard 300 lb. ft. of torque, at 1500 RPM. In addition, in certain conditions under full acceleration, there is an "overboost" mode which increases the boost 2.9 psi to a total of 14.5 psi and delivers 370 lb. ft. of torque for 7 seconds.
  • The M Sport Package is standard, which includes Sport Suspension; Aerodynamic Kit including aero front fascia, side skirts, and rear valence; Shadowline Exterior Window Trim; Sport Seats; M Sport Steering Wheel; M Sport short shifter with M Shift Knob; M Foot Rest; M Door Sills; Stainless Steel Pedals; Anthracite Headliner
  • Unique to the 335is: Gray-face gauges with white needles; 335is badging on the tachometer, dashboard, front side fenders, and rear trunk lid; black chrome surround front grille; high gloss black mirror caps; 18" ferric gray light alloy double 5-spoke wheels (style 313, 18×8.0 front, 18×8.5 rear; tires: 225/40 tires, 255/35 rear); functional rear diffuser; special high-performance sport exhaust system with black chrome tips; additional water cooler in left front air intake; high-output cooling fan; stiffer engine mounts; increased top speed limiter (150 MPH vs 130 MPH)

"The 335is Coupe and Convertible were also specially designed for the North American market and are not available anywhere but in the US and Canada. For increased cooling, BMW added a water cooler in the left front air intake to accompany the oil cooler in the right front air intake. BMW eliminated the fog lights in these areas on the Coupe for additional airflow because they determined that 335is Coupe owners would be more likely to take their cars autocrossing or to the track. This was also the reason they beefed up the cooling fan, made the engine mounts stiffer, and increased the top speed limiter from 130 MPH to 150 MPH."

I played this game before I decided on the 335is. There are underlying differences that would be virtually impossible to duplicate unless you want to spend an inordinate amount of time and money that would bring the price of the 335i above that of the 335is. The 335is is a "factory tune" of the 335i, not just a few minor cosmetic differences.
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In addition to some of the features listed above: Larger water and oil coolers. More torque on demand. Exclusive aluminum interior trim. Exclusive exhaust system that sounds very sweet! Exclusive wheels. Blacked out trims, side mirrors and grill. Composite front fenders (does the 335i have these too?). My car is lowered from factory with 19" wheels (I just figured this out last week while my 335is was parked next to our M3 and a friend's 335i). All were 2011 model years. The hood is different and does not have the extra creases they put on the 335i and 328i (which I don't like anyway).
The Dark Glacier Aluminum trim is not exclusive to the 335is as it is available with the M Sport Package on any 3 Series, but it is the only trim available.

I love the exhaust tone! Driving through the little towns on the Alpenstrasse in 2nd/3rd gear with the windows and sunroof open and hearing the exhaust burbling and echoing off the walls and buildings along the road brought huge grins to both our faces every time!

I wasn't aware that the front fenders were composite. I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere. I also wasn't aware that the oil and water coolers were larger, just that they added an additional water cooler on the 335is and used a high-output fan.
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1) Transmission.
335is comes with GS6-53DZ and 335i comes with GS6-45BZ, not sure what the differences are.

2) Gear ratio.
Means, different differential, but how different exactly? Does 335is have LSD? (I'm an e46 owner, LSD is all I can think of lol)
Where did you find the info on the transmission? 335is doesn't have LSD, wish it did.
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Where did you find the info on the transmission? 335is doesn't have LSD, wish it did.
Yes I found that model number from realoem.com. And it turns out 335is use same differential that 335i use. Hope it came with LSD indeed.
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The Dark Glacier Aluminum trim is not exclusive to the 335is as it is available with the M Sport Package on any 3 Series, but it is the only trim available.

I love the exhaust tone! Driving through the little towns on the Alpenstrasse in 2nd/3rd gear with the windows and sunroof open and hearing the exhaust burbling and echoing off the walls and buildings along the road brought huge grins to both our faces every time!

I wasn't aware that the front fenders were composite. I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere. I also wasn't aware that the oil and water coolers were larger, just that they added an additional water cooler on the 335is and used a high-output fan.
Tap your knuckle on either front fender. It is some sort of composite, but it does not sound or feel like the carbon fiber fenders on my ZO6. The fenders are more flexible on the 335is, so I'm not sure what BMW is using? Car manufacturers use composite body parts to save weight.
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Tap your knuckle on either front fender. It is some sort of composite, but it does not sound or feel like the carbon fiber fenders on my ZO6. The fenders are more flexible on the 335is, so I'm not sure what BMW is using? Car manufacturers use composite body parts to save weight.
Yep the fenders of all e92s are made of some sort of plastic (can't remember the exact type)
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I believe the intake manifold on the 335is is different on the is too.
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Tap your knuckle on either front fender. It is some sort of composite, but it does not sound or feel like the carbon fiber fenders on my ZO6. The fenders are more flexible on the 335is, so I'm not sure what BMW is using? Car manufacturers use composite body parts to save weight.
They also use them to prevent rust. However, I doubt too many people are driving a 335is in the snow and road salt.

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Where did you find the info on the transmission? 335is doesn't have LSD, wish it did.
If you look up the specifications on the BMWusa website you can find the different transmission gear ratios between the 335i and 335is.

I'm quite surprised that 3ers don't have LSDs standard. I could see maybe the 328i not having one, but certainly the 335i and 335is should.
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If you look up the specifications on the BMWusa website you can find the different transmission gear ratios between the 335i and 335is.

I'm quite surprised that 3ers don't have LSDs standard. I could see maybe the 328i not having one, but certainly the 335i and 335is should.
Unfortunately it seems BMW decided more than a decade ago that LSD's were for M cars only. I have no idea why, and it's been one of those things that has always sat wrong with me about recent BMW's. My 16 year old Subaru has LSD's at both ends... why not a BMW?
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If you look up the specifications on the BMWusa website you can find the different transmission gear ratios between the 335i and 335is.
The manual transmissions are similar with the same 3.08:1 differentials and very slight differences in the first 4 gears.

But apparently you guys are only considering automatics, so you should realize the 335i auto is the 6 speed Steptronic with an 0.69:1 overdrive sixth and a 3.46:1 differential, yielding an overall top gear ratio of 2.39. The auto option for the 335is is the 7 speed DCT which has a direct drive 7th gear and a 2.56 rear end (and overall) ratio.

All figures are from BMWUSA.com.

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Unfortunately it seems BMW decided more than a decade ago that LSD's were for M cars only. I have no idea why, and it's been one of those things that has always sat wrong with me about recent BMW's. My 16 year old Subaru has LSD's at both ends... why not a BMW?
BMW's justification is that their electronic LSD, or "e-LSD" (which is on all 08+ 335s) performs just as well as a real LSD. Some people concur with this thinking and others don't. My personal opinion is somewhere in between, I came from a car that had a viscous LSD and my 335is feels on par. Not sure how it would hold up to the more sophisticated LSD's though.
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BMW's justification is that their electronic LSD, or "e-LSD" (which is on all 08+ 335s) performs just as well as a real LSD. Some people concur with this thinking and others don't. My personal opinion is somewhere in between, I came from a car that had a viscous LSD and my 335is feels on par. Not sure how it would hold up to the more sophisticated LSD's though.
I think it's ok for street driving situations where an LSD would be helpful. But on a track the elsd would overheat the brakes. I think BMW only considers m cars to be track worthy but the 335is blurs the line a bit..and they have certainly unoffucially marketed it toward the club racing crowd
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So, I've had little conversation with my friend, who owns 08 335i who thinks 335is is just a 335 with fancy bumper and diffuser.

Well, I definitely know there are big differences between 335i and 335is..but not sure what those are.

I can think of..

1) Transmission.
335is comes with GS6-53DZ and 335i comes with GS6-45BZ, not sure what the differences are.

2) Gear ratio.
Means, different differential, but how different exactly? Does 335is have LSD? (I'm an e46 owner, LSD is all I can think of lol)

3) Numbers of options that don't come with ordinary 335i.
E46 ZHP has CF interior trim, alcantara seats/steering wheel, different steering rack, different suspension system, etc etc...


So, can anyone tell me more special features that 335is has??
TIA
NO LSD...only the M3 has it...which is why, aside from the "numbers" on paper even after "tuning" with software to 400HP and more torque...the M3 STILL RULES
The "is" & other 335's cannot put the power to the ground like a M3 with it's LSD.
Without LSD...your just "tiripping"...if you fancy a 335 of any kind as a true "performance" car.
I could have fried my brain in the 60's with all the LSD available...now I just fry the pavement...lol
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