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F10 / F11 (2011 - 2016)
The sixth generation of the BMW 5 Series Sedan (F10) was produced from 2011 - 2016 with LCI updates arriving in 2014. In the US BMW offered a hatchback 5 Series Gran Truismo (F07) and the rest of the world also go a Station Wagon/Touring version F11.

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Old 03-30-2014, 07:44 AM
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535i: Paddle Shift or not

I am planning to do ED for a 535i. I will include the M Sport package and want advice as to the wisdom of adding Paddle Shift. Can anyone give me some feedback please

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Old 03-30-2014, 07:59 AM
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Ummm...it allows you to shift the gears via the paddle controls?

There's really not much more to it.
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Old 03-30-2014, 08:22 AM
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Is it worth the extra $500
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Old 03-30-2014, 08:40 AM
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Yeah by adding Sport Auto Transmission you get he paddle shifters, I would definitely not pass on the option, I don't shift that way a whole lot. SAT gives you a much nicer shut lever with leather boot instead of hard plastic. I'm sure there are other pluses I'm forgetting about
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Old 03-30-2014, 09:29 AM
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Worth the $500 for the transmission software alone. I only use the paddles when going down a mountain pass to help engine brake. Other than that they are just there. I never used them on my M3 or S4 either though.
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Old 03-30-2014, 10:08 AM
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Yeah by adding Sport Auto Transmission you get he paddle shifters, I would definitely not pass on the option, I don't shift that way a whole lot. SAT gives you a much nicer shut lever with leather boot instead of hard plastic. I'm sure there are other pluses I'm forgetting about
Yes, the leather boot looks much nicer. I rarely use the paddle shifter.
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Old 03-30-2014, 10:41 AM
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Yes, SAT is probably the best $500 you'll ever spend on the F10.

Paddle shifters are nice, but it's really about the SAT.
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Old 03-30-2014, 10:59 AM
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I think they definitely overcharge for it (on my e92 it was included with the msport) but it's a must have for me. I'd get it before ticking any other option box. But others find them to be a gimmick.


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Old 03-30-2014, 11:07 AM
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Vote for gimmick. Had them on the panamera which had dct and still hardly ever used them.


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Old 03-30-2014, 11:08 AM
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Paddle shifters themselves are more cosmetic for.me, but the combo packaged transmission is worth 500 for sure... unless you like steptronic.

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I think they definitely overcharge for it (on my e92 it was included with the msport) but it's a must have for me. I'd get it before ticking any other option box. But others find them to be a gimmick.
Just wonder, how many people continue to manually shift their automatics after the first couple weeks? Seriously? I mean, you can still do this with the standard trans. Yes I know, some people like the SAT shifter. Different options are more important to different people, that's why it's good we have a choice. For me, I put this in the category of the $650 ceramic controls. Kind of nice, but I would probably choose something else first.
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Old 03-30-2014, 11:22 AM
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Just wonder, how many people continue to manually shift their automatics after the first couple weeks? Seriously? I mean, you can still do this with the standard trans. Yes I know, some people like the SAT shifter. Different options are more important to different people, that's why it's good we have a choice. For me, I put this in the category of the $650 ceramic controls. Kind of nice, but I would probably choose something else first.
Fully admit I'm probably an exception but I used the paddles on my e92 every time I drove it for 3 years. When I drive a car without them I find myself looking for them. Also like the stealth factor - when i shift manually using the gear shift my wife complains. And the "beer tap" shifter doesn't feel very nice to touch anyway (unless you get ceramic controls...)


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Old 03-30-2014, 11:26 AM
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I have them and enjoy them. The car doesn't down shift very aggressively even in sport mode so I use the paddle shifters to mitigate that.


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If you're on the fence, you might as well get this inexpensive option. People who have them seem to really them and the 3" inches of added leather. I passed on them because I've got other cars with 3 pedals for when I've got the itch to shift and knew I'd never use them. I don't regret it, but if I were on the fence, I'd definitely get them.
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From my understanding, it also retunes the shift point a bit and in general is a little more sporty than the regular transmission tune. Is it worth it to you? Don't know. I have it and I SOMETIMES use it, but not all that much. However, I don't get the hesitation that some people remark about.
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Old 03-30-2014, 12:24 PM
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Just wonder, how many people continue to manually shift their automatics after the first couple weeks? Seriously? I mean, you can still do this with the standard trans. Yes I know, some people like the SAT shifter. Different options are more important to different people, that's why it's good we have a choice. For me, I put this in the category of the $650 ceramic controls. Kind of nice, but I would probably choose something else first.
I don't use it often on my 550, but when I drive my wife's 330, I use it quite often. It makes that car MUCH more lively.
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Hardly ever use them except when in sport mode to downshift when the gear I'm in hangs up. Too many gears to really use them effectively. I use them all the time in my wife's Mitsubishi, but they actually put them in the right spot where they don't spin with the steering wheel. Paddle shifters should be stationary BMW.
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Just wonder, how many people continue to manually shift their automatics after the first couple weeks? Seriously? I mean, you can still do this with the standard trans. Yes I know, some people like the SAT shifter. Different options are more important to different people, that's why it's good we have a choice. For me, I put this in the category of the $650 ceramic controls. Kind of nice, but I would probably choose something else first.
My F10 is a Manual but I've also had an E90 335 since December with flappy paddles and use them often......there are just some off-on-ramps/turns in my area that need a quick blip down to hit correctly and the paddle lets me do that as well as other times when in sport mode (6 speed). They would probably only see minimal use in an 8-speed F10 though.
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Nobody's mentioned that the SAT (paddle shifter) option gives you SPORT+ mode which let's you drive turns harder before the nannies cut the engine power

Definitely get it. Well worth the $500.


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Nobody's mentioned that the SAT (paddle shifter) option gives you SPORT+ mode which let's you drive turns harder before the nannies cut the engine power
This.

That the paddles come with the SAT is a cool add on. The real value in getting the SAT is for the driving modes/configurations, not the paddles.
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Worth the $500 for the transmission software alone. I only use the paddles when going down a mountain pass to help engine brake. Other than that they are just there. I never used them on my M3 or S4 either though.
OK, he is in Florida. Down hill for him is an exit ramp of an over pass, not Independence Pass.
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SAT also comes with Launch Control. I doubt you'll regret spending $500 on a $60k+ car. I use them often enough, usually for engine braking.

8 gears is honestly way too many for normal use, though. 4th gear gets you to 75, and then you click 4 more times to get to 8th. Not much fun when you're in 8th at 55 and want to pass someone either...that'll be 3 clicks, please!
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As others have said, it's worth it (to me at least) for the nicer shifter and leather boot. And when it comes to re-sale, many people (myself included) would not buy a car without it.
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That's it then. Paddle shift option is in. Thank you very much guys and gals
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All of the observations about the paddles (and SAT in general) are correct, but the most relevant is this one IMHO:

"Too many gears to really use them effectively"

This is why I don't use mine often either. In my old good E46 330i I had (the first generation of) the SMG gearbox, which only had 5 gears - during spirited driving, I used the paddles exclusively. True - I was younger then, too

BTW, it was the said GSM gearbox "mechatronics" that finally failed completely, rendering my BMW service helpless, that made me get rid of that beloved bimmer...
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