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Old 07-02-2011, 07:54 PM
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I am going to give these setting a try ASAP! thanks dude.
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WOW what a difference. I was really starting to get pissed at the poor sound quality. Your settings have changed everything. Thank you!!!
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Much better! Thanks for sharing.
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Old 07-06-2011, 06:05 AM
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Looks interesting - will try your settings on my X5. Is the premium system in the US the Logic 7 system (Harman Kardon I believe)? In the UK we have the basic, business, professional [Logic 7, which I have] and Individual.
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Old 07-06-2011, 08:18 AM
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Man, I am scratching my head over this. I tried eldorado's settings, and while they certainly "un-muddied" the bass, the top end is now way too thin / shrill. So much so, that I am wondering what the differences are between his 2012 Premium and my 2011 D Sport. Obviously, the anthracite headliner is one, but if anything I'd think the fabric would make the cabin accoustics less "bright" than the non-sport headliner. I am wondering if there are different drivers in the 2012 vs. the 2011. (I know they upgraded the base sound system, and maybe they changed the drivers in the ZPS as well?)

I may have to spring for the Rives CD and Radio Shack SPL.
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Old 07-06-2011, 08:49 AM
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not sure if this helps but these are the adjustments that I made to Eldorados suggestion:

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100HZ -9
200HZ -9
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Treble - 4 from max
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Old 07-06-2011, 01:21 PM
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Here's what I found and the results are surprising.

I set the bass and treble to 0 or the midline and turned the surround off.
I followed the instructions on the CD and set the Radio Shack SPL meter to 80dB, placed the Rives CD on the player and went to the tracks specifically calibrated for the meter. I played the 1 KHz tone and turned the volume up until it went steady to 80 dB. Then I calibrated all the other bands as close to a flat 80 dB as I could. Here's what I got:

100 Hz : -10 (all the way left)
200 Hz: -10
500Hz : -9
1 KHz: +2
2 KHz: -3
5KHz: -10
10 KHz: +9

No C, V, or any other curve shape to be seen.

Then I played the track that I consider my personal best test: Hotel California Live from the Hell Freezes Over CD. It has a nice guitar solo to start, booming clean bass and the shrilling vocals of Don Henley. Now the guitar is clean, the bass is solid without that muddy shakiness of before and the vocals don't come out hollow. It's not perfect, but a very significant improvement. My speakers are fairly new, about 400 miles of use, so I will retest after a few weeks to recalibrate if necessary. And the same track from the iPod is now almost indistinguishable from the CD. I can play the music louder that before without distortion bothering me.

I'm surprised with the results, but my ears are happier.
I"m going to try this. do you keep the surround on or off?
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Old 07-06-2011, 01:56 PM
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Man, I am scratching my head over this. I tried eldorado's settings, and while they certainly "un-muddied" the bass, the top end is now way too thin / shrill. So much so, that I am wondering what the differences are between his 2012 Premium and my 2011 D Sport. Obviously, the anthracite headliner is one, but if anything I'd think the fabric would make the cabin accoustics less "bright" than the non-sport headliner. I am wondering if there are different drivers in the 2012 vs. the 2011. (I know they upgraded the base sound system, and maybe they changed the drivers in the ZPS as well?)

I may have to spring for the Rives CD and Radio Shack SPL.
Flat frequency response isn't appealing to everyone. While it's nice to know what "flat" is, you should take it as a jumping point for adjusting from there to something you like.

My understanding is that the 2012 Premium sound is actually new. The previous premium option is now standard, so BMW created a new Premium option. I'm not sure if any of the speakers actually changed, but I believe the amp has more power.
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Old 07-06-2011, 03:19 PM
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Old 07-06-2011, 03:24 PM
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Flat frequency response isn't appealing to everyone. While it's nice to know what "flat" is, you should take it as a jumping point for adjusting from there to something you like.

My understanding is that the 2012 Premium sound is actually new. The previous premium option is now standard, so BMW created a new Premium option. I'm not sure if any of the speakers actually changed, but I believe the amp has more power.
No, I am definitely a fan of flat. No longer a card carrying audiophile, but I was once upon a time.

Guess I will check RealOEM.com to see if the drivers changed.

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Old 07-06-2011, 03:40 PM
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I think it's high time for me to market some removable Soundtrap panels that you can cover your glass windows with to remove some "brightness!" And then some custom deep shag floor mats and seat covers!
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Old 07-09-2011, 06:19 PM
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I tried out the settings and also found the sound to be improved but on the thin and bright side. Previously it had a rather muted and heavy sound. In both cases it feels like the midrange is really lacking - that's my gut feel as to where this system is failing. Anyway I'll be fiddling around some more to bring up the bass and midrange a bit.
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Old 07-09-2011, 06:35 PM
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Let me know what you find. I believe we're closer, but still haven't hit the perfect spot. Apparently the combination speakers/shape/glass/upholstery makes up for a bass heavy muddled sound as received from factory. My setting corrected most of that problem and I believe it makes it much more tolerable, but something is still missing.
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Old 07-12-2011, 11:45 AM
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the base system on a 2011 sounded like garbage to me. I ordered premium.
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Old 07-12-2011, 02:15 PM
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I could not have said this better myself. I opted for the premium system because I did not want to start switching speakers and trying to improve the sound. The premium does the better job but just, and it came bundled with Sirius.

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The base system in my 2012 35i Premium is pretty decent, the bass is fairly strong although a bit boomy and not that tight. It only has treble and bass control and no equalizer. As such, when you crank up those 2 tones to get more punch out of the system the mid range and vocal will suffer. Basically you'll play with the tone controls until you find the best compromise for your music. There is a USB port in the glove box where you can import many CD's into the stereo (no changer) but the codes will always be compressed.

It's noticeably better than the 2011 35d base system I heard at the dealer, better than the 2008 535i base I had but not as good my brother's 2008 premium Logic 7 in his 335i.

I would say it is good enough for most people unless you are discerning with auto sound. I'm a bit of an audiophile with home systems and the 2012 base is decent enough for me where I don't regret my decision everytime I listen to it. If the choice was 35d base vs premium then I'd have gone for the premium.

I've came to term with that fact that no matter how good the auto system is it will never come close to a good home system in sound stage, imaging and details. Also, it's a lease for me. If I purchased the car for long term I think I'd go for the premium sound.

I did listen to a 2011 35i with premium sound at the dealer. The extra few hundred Watts and the equalizer do make a notable difference compared to my base system although it wasn't night and day. It didn't make me jump out of my seat and say "Wow, I have to get this."

Hope the above points of reference help but it's still my ears not yours. Everyone has a different degree of demand for their music and tolerance for imperfection.
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I have it in my 2011 X5d. It's an excellent system worth the upgrade IMHO. I have heard better premium systems but no complaints or regrets here.
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Old 11-17-2011, 09:44 AM
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I just took delivery of 2012 E70 with "premium" sound because honestly there is nothing premium about this. I would rate it better than most stock radios, but if this is premium, I can't imagine how non-premium sounds like. It certainly doesn't sound like you got that many speakers in the cabin. And I was hoping for a better subwoofer performance, it sounds like they are one-way woofers with highs filtered out. I am scared to turn it up high.

Is there anyway to add a subwoofer in the cargo area? I am not talking about the super expensive stealth subwoofer they sell for $900 (x108). I already have a ported subwoofer and Alpine amp from my previous vehicle, since the battery and wiring is in the rear, can't we just splice some wires and put that in there? Has anyone tried adding aftermarket subwoofer to their X5?
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Old 11-17-2011, 10:44 AM
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I just took delivery of 2012 E70 with "premium" sound because honestly there is nothing premium about this. I would rate it better than most stock radios, but if this is premium, I can't imagine how non-premium sounds like. It certainly doesn't sound like you got that many speakers in the cabin. And I was hoping for a better subwoofer performance, it sounds like they are one-way woofers with highs filtered out. I am scared to turn it up high.

Is there anyway to add a subwoofer in the cargo area? I am not talking about the super expensive stealth subwoofer they sell for $900 (x108). I already have a ported subwoofer and Alpine amp from my previous vehicle, since the battery and wiring is in the rear, can't we just splice some wires and put that in there? Has anyone tried adding aftermarket subwoofer to their X5?
This is not the best sound system BMW offers for the E70.

Also, the source you are using makes a big difference. Don't expect much from SAT.

There are many other variables too - like tuning your current system. Look at my earlier post in this thread.
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Old 11-17-2011, 10:55 AM
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Thanks Jim, your earlier post was for a tuning aid CD.
I am comparing the sound I am hearing in HD Radio and CD. I am not only referring to the speaker quality but also the sound from HD radio. I thought it is supposed to be much better than regular FM.

Do you know anything about the compression it uses when it plays back the CD's? It definitely is not playing then straight from CD player, even if it you are not copying them to the drive, it must be using a buffer to avoid skipping when you are going over bumps.
The only thing left is the high quality mp3 playback, which I haven't had a chance to try. I turned of surround sound already, it wasn't helping at all. The sound is not focused, maybe if they offered central channel adjustment to increase vocals, it might make it better. I am sure with careful tuning of the equalizer, we might be able to get a better sound out of this.

Meanwhile, as soon as I get back to my X5, I will try eldorado's settings.
And if it is really the case like o steve mentioned (break-in period) I will revisit this topic after a while.

On the other hand, isn't there a way to add an aftermarket subwoofer?

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Thanks Jim, your earlier post was for a tuning aid CD.
I am comparing the sound I am hearing in HD Radio and CD. I am not only referring to the speaker quality but also the sound from HD radio. I thought it is supposed to be much better than regular FM.

Do you know anything about the compression it uses when it plays back the CD's? It definitely is not playing then straight from CD player, even if it you are not copying them to the drive, it must be using a buffer to avoid skipping when you are going over bumps.
The only thing left is the high quality mp3 playback, which I haven't had a chance to try. I turned of surround sound already, it wasn't helping at all. The sound is not focused, maybe if they offered central channel adjustment to increase vocals, it might make it better. I am sure with careful tuning of the equalizer, we might be able to get a better sound out of this.

Meanwhile, as soon as I get back to my X5, I will try eldorado's settings.
And if it is really the case like o steve mentioned (break-in period) I will revisit this topic after a while.

On the other hand, isn't there a way to add an aftermarket subwoofer?
HD radio is better than FM but not a tremendous leap. If you play a cd direct from the drive it should play it without compression. If it does compress then that's news to me.

I play all my music from an external 1TB drive connected via the USB port under the armrest. All my music is ripped in WMA lossless and the sound is damn good. Granted I don't have premium sound so I couldn't do an apples to apples comparison but I am sure you would be better served with the external drive assuming you have the USB option.
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On the other hand, isn't there a way to add an aftermarket subwoofer?
Yes. You can start a lead from the actual sub to a new one but you will need to know the specs of the actual amplifier. You can also take it to a sound shop and see what they say. But, knowing that sound is subjective, if the sound is that bad, I am wondering if there is something wrong with the system as a whole.
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NO, sound is not THAT BAD, but it is lacking subwoofer output. I am used to having a sub in the rear, so clean individual bass response is missing. I know the standard sound system is not supposed include a subwoofer, but getting a premium sound system with "two subwoofers" specified in the specs, I am surprised that it is lacking that bass. So obviously it is not meant to give you the sensation of drums beating in your stomach (which is what I get with my $200 subwoofer).

Regarding starting the lead, does anyone have the specs/wiring diagram? I would rather get the lead from the radio directly or right before the amp (pre-amp) so that I can wire it to my own amp without risk of blowing up fuses or my own amp.
I can also always get the speaker leads and use low pass filter built in my amp, which is there for vehicles without individual subwoofer channel.

I think I might just call crutchfield and see what they think.
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Hyde, did you change the EQ to Eldorados settings? I found by lowering all the bands it really brought out the bass. Of course, not like an after market system but plenty adequate for my personal taste.
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Hello, I tried it today, it is slightly better, but I found it lacking the lows. The bass felt muted. It sounded more in balance, though.

Here is my findings after playing with the radio a bit more.
HD Radio, sounds reasonably better than FM, and with good reception it is enjoyable. It sounds mechanical, especially the highs, but it is digital, so that's expected. I really wish we could disable HD in some cases.
CD playback, very good sound but who is going to carry CDs to take advantage of the sound?
Music copied from CD to Hard Drive: I have to rate this mediocre. Does anyone know the compression it uses? It is mp3 or proprietary? Listening to same song from hard drive vs CD, there is a huge difference. If you listen to a classical tune or even late Santana pieces, you can hear the compression artifacts in highs.
Another thing i spotted, once you rip a CD to your BMW, next time you insert the CD it still plays the tracks from hard drive, even though it shows that it is playing from CD. That's an illusion, Listen to same song from CD, copy to BMW and listen to it, then put the cd back on and listen. You will hear the difference.
I am ripping a few tracks at 320kbps and I will try them tomorrow. It will be one of the songs that I currently have copied, but only half of it to make sure it is not just picking one and playing it.

Now, the most impressive sound is from DVD. I just inserted my special edition THX Terminator 2 DVD, and it is incredible. The sound is excellent, the bases are great, highs are balanced, the surround sound is excellent, and you can hear the details I have not noticed on my TV before (unless I activated my home theater and sat in perfect position) If you have not tried the DVD, just try a good quality encoded DVD (not those cheap analog transfers), and see (hear) what I am talking about. With the same settings, DVD made a home theater out of my cabin!

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I picked up my new x5 with the standard stereo last night. I believe the system is very average at best. If you are ordering yours, I suggest getting the upgrade. I didn't think the HK upgrade on my wife's ride was that great but now they sound pretty good.
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