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Old 06-24-2011, 09:50 AM
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Touring for US?

I heard that BMWNA changed its mind about importing the wagon. What is known about this?
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Old 06-29-2011, 09:57 AM
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Not much is known yet about which way BMW will go. The 5 series GT sales have not been as strong as BMW would have liked. I think the 3 series can support a touring and a GT in the US. I wouldn't be surprised if BMW offers both, but I also wouldn't be surprised if they offer the GT in Europe but not in the US.

BMW is changing a lot of their paradigms so its all speculation at this point.
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Old 06-29-2011, 05:19 PM
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I'll be shocked if the GT ends up making it to production. The 5 GT sales have been poor and from reports it seems to be stealing 7 series sales...in essence BMW is losing all wagon sales.
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Old 06-29-2011, 07:23 PM
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I'll be shocked if the GT ends up making it to production. The 5 GT sales have been poor and from reports it seems to be stealing 7 series sales...in essence BMW is losing all wagon sales.
5 series GT is very ugly, if they design it better it would sell, the concept is valid, look at some good examples like the Audi A7, but BMW's execution is plain ugly.
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Old 06-30-2011, 07:20 AM
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I saw the new 5-series touring in Paris last week, and it's gorgeous! The 5GT is a pig (to put it nicely). The problem is that Americans love their SUVs and typically dislike wagons. This has something to do with the astoundingly cheap gas in the US, approximately 1/3 the price Europeans pay.

The 5 GT also has to do with expense of getting new models crash/emissions tested for sale in the US. Due to the expense, manufacturers limit the number of model-engine-transmission combinations they sell in the US market (i.e. why we get so few manual transmission options.)

So, BMW was trying to split the difference between an SUV and a Touring with the GT. In my opinion, it didn't work. It's just too heavy, big, and unsightly for a BMW.

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oops - I misread and thought this was about a 5 wagon... I guess there's still no hope of that.

I really hope BMWNA doesn't eliminate wagons in the US altogether. What a depressing thought. I hope mine lasts another 200k....
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Old 07-07-2011, 05:48 PM
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I cannot recall the source/publication, but I did read an article where the head of BMW NA regretting the fact that they dropped the F10 Wagon. He indicated that the 5 series GT is falling way short of expectations!!!! Well duh! I could have told him that way ahead of time.

Anyways, the article further quotes him saying that they will not make that mistake with the F30 3 series --- the wagon will be coming to NA. Now ---- here are my wishes:

- bring the non XDrive wagon first (E91 Xdrive came 1 year after E90; E91 RWD came 2 yrs after E90).
- bring the diesel for the wagon as well

--- I'll look/googsearch for the publication and post here.
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Here's the article ----

http://paultan.org/2011/05/24/bmw-5-...-series-wagon/

Jim O'Donnell confirms 3-series wagon will be coming to NA
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Old 07-11-2011, 08:03 AM
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I talked to the owner of an A7 yesterday and looked the car firsthand. It is spectacular and at a great price point. The guy had leased 3 5ers prior to getting the A7. He is extremely pleased with the A7 in relation to the BMW 5er. The competing BMW product will be the $100k 6er Gran Coupe. At $25k less the Audi A7 will steal sales from BMW.
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Old 07-13-2011, 11:21 AM
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Oh thanks for that article, Be-Em-Veh! That almost makes me want to write and tell him to bring back the 5-er touring too! But at least there's hope for now for a future wagon in the lineup somewhere.

When I was considering upgrading to a more spacious wagon last year, I briefly looked at defecting to the competition, but I really like my manual transmission.
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If BMW will bring us an F30 wagon with Xdrive and the N55 engine, I'll put down a deposit sight unseen. I live in Denver and that is just about the perfect car here.
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As long as the wagon (F31) is available the summer of 2013 when my current lease is up, I'll be ordering one for ED. This will replace my E90 sedan and Subaru Outback. The sedan is a blast but with a newborn it's just a bit tight. The Outback is a boat and cheaply made - can't wait until the lease is up on it.

The wagon is the best of everything: fun/sporty to drive, great handling, power, and enough space for the family/stroller/dog/Home Depot trips! BMW really needs to emphase this - SUVs are grossly overrated and unnecessary for most of the driving public here in the US.

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The 5GT is a pig (to put it nicely).
Beyond ugly!
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Old 08-03-2011, 12:49 PM
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If they can afford to design, develop and federalize a car like the 5 series GT, you gotta wonder why they can't take a chance on something like the 330 diesel touring for the US market. BMW seems to be offering a lot of higher cost model specialization where the market size is rather limited, but they simply won't take much of a chance on bread and butter type stuff.

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If they can afford to design, develop and federalize a car like the 5 series GT, you gotta wonder why they can't take a chance on something like the 330 diesel touring for the US market. BMW seems to be offering a lot of higher cost model specialization where the market size is rather limited, but they simply won't take much of a chance on bread and butter type stuff.
It seems like they keep trying to monetize market segments that aren't really there. They may have had too much success ten years ago with the X5 - who knew so many people would want a high performance SUV, and I don't think they planned on nearly so much sales volume.

They know for sure that diesels and wagons don't sell in the US (except in Denver; there are plenty of wagons here), but these new segment ideas have the allure of having not been tried before. So those are the ones that get greenlighted.

Still, the 5GT is ugly, and if I won one in a contest I would sell it.
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It's be nice if they did another wagon. I like our wagons currently (very useful) but desperately want RWD and a manual again.
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Acura did it with the ZDX, so I guess every manufacturer is trying to outdo the next with even uglier vehicles.
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I saw the new 5-series touring in Paris last week, and it's gorgeous! The 5GT is a pig (to put it nicely). The problem is that Americans love their SUVs and typically dislike wagons. This has something to do with the astoundingly cheap gas in the US, approximately 1/3 the price Europeans pay.

The 5 GT also has to do with expense of getting new models crash/emissions tested for sale in the US. Due to the expense, manufacturers limit the number of model-engine-transmission combinations they sell in the US market (i.e. why we get so few manual transmission options.)

So, BMW was trying to split the difference between an SUV and a Touring with the GT. In my opinion, it didn't work. It's just too heavy, big, and unsightly for a BMW.

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Actually, gas is about the same price in EU and US. It's the taxes. I would be in favor of a $4/gallon fed tax on gas in the US. Get rid of those humungous barges.
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It seems like they keep trying to monetize market segments that aren't really there. They may have had too much success ten years ago with the X5 - who knew so many people would want a high performance SUV, and I don't think they planned on nearly so much sales volume.

They know for sure that diesels and wagons don't sell in the US (except in Denver; there are plenty of wagons here), but these new segment ideas have the allure of having not been tried before. So those are the ones that get greenlighted.
You answered your own question. High performance SUVs sell because high performance station wagons do not.
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You answered your own question. High performance SUVs sell because high performance station wagons do not.
Did I ask a question?
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The wagon will not come to the US in thecurrebt f10 chassis

It will be here the model after though.... Despite the GT being "ugly" it's sold more in it's first year than the best year of the wagon...
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Based on the pictures I've seen, the proportions on the F30 3-series GT might work a little better than they do on the F10.

I saw an F10 GT on my way into the airport this week. {{shudder}}
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