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Old 06-24-2011, 11:58 AM
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New to ED: Advice on E89 (Z4) Wholesale ED

First post! I've been lurking for a while (past 8 or so months actually) as I've been looking to pick up a 2011 Z4 sDrive35i. I've finally come to the conclusion that I want a new one versus getting an older used 2009 model for example, and it sounds like working with a CA here and getting the wholesale ED invoice pricing will get me the best bang for my buck.

So I've been reading up on all the threads here, but I still have a few newbie questions that I'm hoping someone can answer:

1) It doesn't sound like wholesale ED invoicing is very common... after searching by keyword "wholesale" in this ED forum, Adrian in Atlanta is the only CA name that gets dropped. And even then, its not too clear if he is offering the wholesale ED invoice price or just ED invoice price. Does anyone know?

2) On a related note, if I go through Adrian, will the car get delivered to Atlanta, or can I have it shipped from Europe to my home in Cali? I thought I had read something about having to arrange a second domestic shipping to get the car to Cali?

3) Again, related, should I try to find a wholesale ED invoice CA here in California instead of going through Adrian? Does it make a difference where the CA is located?

4) I can probably ask this next question in the E89 forum if no one here knows, but can I still place orders for the 2011 Z4? The 2012s will have a new 4 cylinder engine, but I really want the 6 cylinder that the Z4's currently use. Keep in mind that the 2012 models have not even been officially announced yet, so my gut feeling is that I shouldn't be able to order a 2012 E89 even if I wanted to... right?

5) Don't suppose there's a Z4 confidential wholesale ED invoice sheet that someone could PM me?

Lotta questions, I know. Really hoping to pull the trigger and get my car ordered this weekend! TIA.
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Old 06-24-2011, 12:41 PM
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BMW makes it near impossible to post the official invoice price but I'm positive everyone on this board paid ED invoice + $500 to $1,000 dealer profit + U.S. invoice for options regardless of dealer they bought from. Don't pay more. But do find a dealer that is familiar with the ED program. Some dealers don't like to bother w/ it. Go elsewhere. There is a formula in one of these threads.
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Old 06-24-2011, 12:48 PM
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1. Not sure what you mean by wholesale ED invoice, there is just the ED invoice price on the base model before options. This is a calculation, based on the European MSRP. Search for European Delivery calculator.

2. Unless you are going to do a PCD delivery in addition to ED, as a rule, redelivery must take place at the BMW dealer where you purchased the car. There are exceptions to this rule, but you will pay a whole lot more money.

3. Nothing against Adrian, but there are also ED specialists on the West Coast. It you do PCD you could certainly order from Adrian or any other CA because you will never have to set foot in the dealership.

It would be more helpful if you could show your city in your location. California is a big place.
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Old 06-24-2011, 02:37 PM
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1. Not sure what you mean by wholesale ED invoice, there is just the ED invoice price on the base model before options. This is a calculation, based on the European MSRP. Search for European Delivery calculator.

2. Unless you are going to to a PCD delivery in addition to ED, as a rule, redelivery must take place at the BMW dealer where you purchased the car. There are exceptions to this rule, but you will pay a whole lot more money.

3. Nothing against Adrian, but there are also ED specialists on the West Coast. It you do PCD you could certainly order from Adrian or any other CA because you will never have to set foot in the dealership.

It would be more helpful if you could show your city in your location. California is a big place.
Well, first off, thanks for the response, I wasn't expecting anyone to answer these so quickly so that was a nice surprise . My understanding was that there were 6 categories of pricing:

US MSRP (most expensive)
US Invoice
US Wholesale Invoice
ED MSRP
ED Invoice
ED Wholesale Invoice (cheapest)

Now, since US wholesale invoice is cheaper than US invoice, I'd assume ED wholesale invoice is also less than regular ED invoice. Are you saying that there is no such thing as ED wholesale invoice? Or just that ED wholesale invoice is the same thing as ED invoice? I've seen threads on here where people refer to the coveted confidential pricing sheets as the Confidential European Wholesale Invoice Pricing sheets. Also, I've pasted a thread below that mentions ED wholesale invoice pricing.

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...ight=wholesale
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...ight=wholesale



I live in Sacramento (updated in my profile), so a CA that does ED around here or in the San Francisco area would work for me. I've read up on CAs in SF, but have been hesitant so far to contact any since it didn't sound like they offer ED wholesale invoice pricing. But if it turns out that wholesale invoice and regular invoice mean the same thing, hell I might be able to order my car tonight!
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Old 06-24-2011, 03:12 PM
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Well, first off, thanks for the response, I wasn't expecting anyone to answer these so quickly so that was a nice surprise . My understanding was that there were 6 categories of pricing:

US MSRP (most expensive)
US Invoice
US Wholesale Invoice
ED MSRP
ED Invoice
ED Wholesale Invoice (cheapest)

Now, since US wholesale invoice is cheaper than US invoice, I'd assume ED wholesale invoice is also less than regular ED invoice. Are you saying that there is no such thing as ED wholesale invoice? Or just that ED wholesale invoice is the same thing as ED invoice? I've seen threads on here where people refer to the coveted confidential pricing sheets as the Confidential European Wholesale Invoice Pricing sheets. Also, I've pasted a thread below that mentions ED wholesale invoice pricing.

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...ight=wholesale
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...ight=wholesale

I live in Sacramento (updated in my profile), so a CA that does ED around here or in the San Francisco area would work for me. I've read up on CAs in SF, but have been hesitant so far to contact any since it didn't sound like they offer ED wholesale invoice pricing. But if it turns out that wholesale invoice and regular invoice mean the same thing, hell I might be able to order my car tonight!
References to ED invoice wholesale pricing in those threads = ED invoice pricing, there is no difference, just using different terminology to refer to the same thing. As I stated earlier, the starting point for calculating ED pricing is to start with the European invoice price which can be found at edmunds.com. Then plug that price and the invoice price of your options into the ED calculator that can be found in this forum with a little bit of searching.

While you may find references to confidential European invoice price sheets, it's my understanding that while those may have existed in the past, they are no longer available for a number of reasons, including the fact that BMW NA didn't like the fact that they were being posted. Your best bet is to use the calculator, you will be very, very close. When we ordered ours, our CA showed us the European invoice prices on his screen.

I've read that the Bay Area can be a tough place to find good pricing on BMWs. You could always order from a SoCal dealer who specializes in ED and take redelivery there and then have a nice drive up the Coast Highway now that they've reopened it!

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FYI ... Get the ED "Retail Price" from the BMWNA page. http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...erYourBMW.aspx (This page takes a while to fully load so wait for it. It was $49,665 last I looked.)

ED INVOICE Price is 92% of that number.

If you want to do your own math, for Options, the ED Invoice price is 91% of US Retail Price.

Do not forget to add in $875.00 delivery and $500.00 or so for the salesperson.

Good luck!

[The calculator Tom mentions uses these percentages.]

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Old 06-24-2011, 08:03 PM
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Wholesale=invoice. They are the same thing. There is US MRSP and invoice (or wholesale) and ED MSRP and invoice (wholesale). Try this link for a calculator that 97x had provided here back in March, which I have found very helpful. It is for an M3, but you can just substitute for your options and prices and the spreadsheet will do the rest.

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Old 06-27-2011, 11:10 AM
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Awesome, I'll play around with that calculator. I'm liking the idea of ordering through a socal dealer, then driving the car up to Sacramento... any suggestions on good ED CAs in Socal?
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Awesome, I'll play around with that calculator. I'm liking the idea of ordering through a socal dealer, then driving the car up to Sacramento... any suggestions on good ED CAs in Socal?
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Thanks for the recommendations, working with Greg on the new Z4 as we speak
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