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Old 12-09-2014, 09:49 PM
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Hmmm...

.45-70 1884 Springfield Trapdoor carbine. .458 diameter that delivers love with a punch, enough punch that it would drop an African elephant in full charge.
Certainly not a home defense weapon.



I'm sell some relics for a friend who has moved to Oz. This is one of many. I might keep this one.
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Old 12-10-2014, 09:54 AM
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Ammo ranges $28.99 - $92 for a 20-round box...

That's a sweet gun.
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Old 12-11-2014, 11:52 AM
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Mark, it's what Custer's army used in the battle of Little Bighorn. My cartouche says 1888 so it missed that particular battle.

They are slow movers so I have decided to buy it.

I still have 5 more rifles/pistol to sell...
Bushmaster .22

1795 Barnett/London Flintlock (this one should fetch $5-7000 if it's real, it's definitely NOT a Kyper-Pass fake. I will have it evaluated by a Firearms Historian but he's not back in the country until after the 1st of the year)

J. Stevens Arms Co Little Scout 14 12 . 22

Remington Field Master Model 121

Remington Model 1901 Rolling Block .50-70

Savage Anschutz Match 64 22 rifle

1860 Army Blackpowder Revolver.

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Old 12-11-2014, 11:57 AM
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.45-70 1873 Springfield Trapdoor carbine. .458 diameter that delivers love with a punch, enough punch that it would drop an African elephant in full charge.
Certainly not a home defense weapon.



I'm sell some relics for a friend who has moved to Oz. This is one of many. I might keep this one.
If you live in an area of the US where you are subject to charging African Elephants, you might want to consider moving
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That rifle looks like it would be a lot of fun to shoot! got any videos of it in action?
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Old 12-11-2014, 12:28 PM
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That rifle looks like it would be a lot of fun to shoot! got any videos of it in action?
*I* don't yet! There are some out there though on youtube.

By the way, the Remington rolling block is a 7mm, not a .50-70.
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Old 12-11-2014, 12:29 PM
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If you live in an area of the US where you are subject to charging African Elephants, you might want to consider moving
never get in the way of a very large woman and her McDonalds hamburger in Detroit.
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Old 12-11-2014, 12:35 PM
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*I* don't yet! There are some out there though on youtube.

By the way, the Remington rolling block is a 7mm, not a .50-70.
I've shot a 7mm Mauser bolt action. That was fun.
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Old 12-11-2014, 01:43 PM
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never get in the way of a very large woman and her McDonalds hamburger in Detroit.
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...enough punch that it would drop an African elephant in full charge.
It is illegal to hunt elephants with the .45-70 in most countries, because of it's relatively low muzzle energy.

There are .22 caliber cartridges with more muzzle energy than the standard .45-70 Trapdoor load.

For example, a standard .45-70 Trapdoor load launches a .45 caliber 405-grain lead flat-nose at less than 1,400 feet per second, producing a little over 1,700 foot-pounds of muzzle energy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.45-70

A .22-250 Remington typically launches a .22 caliber 55-grain jacketed soft-point at something approaching 4,000 feet per second, producing over 1,750 foot-pounds of muzzle energy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.22-250_Remington

By comparison,

A .30-378 Weatherby launches a .30 caliber 180-grain bullet at nearly 3,500 feet per second, producing something approaching 5,000 foot-pounds of muzzle energy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.30-378_Weatherby_Magnum

And I would want something more than a .30-378 Weatherby to harvest an African Elephant. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant_gun

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Old 12-11-2014, 08:18 PM
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Anyone interested in an Model 1860 Colt Army revolver?

This is fun researching and finding out what these gems are worth.
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Old 12-11-2014, 08:19 PM
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It is illegal to hunt elephants with the .45-70 in most countries, because of it's relatively low muzzle energy.

There are .22 caliber cartridges with more muzzle energy than the standard .45-70 Trapdoor load.

For example, a standard .45-70 Trapdoor load launches a .45 caliber 405-grain lead flat-nose at less than 1,400 feet per second, producing a little over 1,700 foot-pounds of muzzle energy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.45-70

A .22-250 Remington typically launches a .22 caliber 55-grain jacketed soft-point at something approaching 4,000 feet per second, producing over 1,750 foot-pounds of muzzle energy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.22-250_Remington

By comparison,

A .30-378 Weatherby launches a .30 caliber 180-grain bullet at nearly 3,500 feet per second, producing something approaching 5,000 foot-pounds of muzzle energy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.30-378_Weatherby_Magnum

And I would want something more than a .30-378 Weatherby to harvest an African Elephant. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant_gun
You don't understand humor, do you...

Anyone that knows a speck about FPS and muzzle velocity KNOWS that this round would just piss off an elephant. DUH!
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*I* don't yet! There are some out there though on youtube.

By the way, the Remington rolling block is a 7mm, not a .50-70.
Not a small difference. How arose the confusion?
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Old 12-12-2014, 06:23 AM
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Not a small difference. How arose the confusion?
Was quoting my friend's piece of paper. These were his fathers or grandfathers weapons.
He moved to Australia and I bought some of his pistols, then he left the rest of these rifles to me to sell. He is giving me a commission.
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Old 12-13-2014, 09:31 AM
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Turns out the Colt is authentic! All matching S/N,s passed the "Chamber" test (authentics were a tapered chamber, ever so slight at the bottom of the champer)
Pretty neat piece of the Civil War history. This particular sidearm was made in 1863 so it more than likely saw battle.
Up it goes.
http://www.armslist.com/posts/380759...-colt-revolver

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.45-70 started life as a black powder cartridge ans is therefore "underloaded" to protect older guns; in like manner to the .45 Colt revolver cartridge.

The benchmark elephant gun is the .458 Winchester Magnum; a smokeless powder cartridge from the start.

Ballistic for the two are:
.45-70 300 grain bullet at 2070 FPS and 3500 ft.lb of energy.
.458 WinMag 500 grain bullet at 2190 FPS and 5340 ft.lb energy

.45-70 should be good for any large North American game, but I would not use it on elephants unless the situation was desperate and there was nothing else.

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Old 12-15-2014, 06:54 AM
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You need to keep this one!
Tempting for sure...but I am on commission.
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Old 12-15-2014, 06:57 AM
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.45-70 started life as a black powder cartridge ans is therefore "underloaded" to protect older guns; in like manner to the .45 Colt revolver cartridge.

The benchmark elephant gun is the .458 Winchester Magnum; a smokeless powder cartridge from the start.

Ballistic for the two are:
.45-70 300 frain bullet at 2070 FPS and 3500 ft.lb of energy.
.458 WinMag 500 grain bullet at 2190 FPS and 5340 ft.lb energy

.45-70 should be good for any large North American game, but I would not use it on elephants unless the situation was desperate and there was nothing else.
Fortunately they still make a low pressure loads for this old gun. The Cowboy ammo is a good brand as it has low pressure loads.

And again, I was joking about elephants...but interesting stats you posted on the .458, never knew the FPS were that fast!
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