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E70 BMW X5 produced between 2007 and 2013. Discuss the E70 X5 with other BMW owners here.

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Old 07-19-2011, 09:45 AM
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Towing question

What do those of you that tow relatively heavy loads with the Diesel on a regular basis think about exceeding the recommended maximum. A friend needs my help towing trailer+car totalling around 7,500 lbs. for a 600 mi. round trip. Needless to say, I'm very apprehensive, but am I worrying about nothing?
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Old 07-19-2011, 12:13 PM
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Crazy, crazy, crazy.

I'd hesitate to drive that 10 miles, let alone 600.

Lemme guess, no trailer braking system either?
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Old 07-19-2011, 01:01 PM
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What do those of you that tow relatively heavy loads with the Diesel on a regular basis think about exceeding the recommended maximum. A friend needs my help towing trailer+car totalling around 7,500 lbs. for a 600 mi. round trip. Needless to say, I'm very apprehensive, but am I worrying about nothing?
There was a thread a while back about towing and exceeding the rear axle maximum weight - chances are, you're going to be WAY over your rear axle weight rating, let alone your towing limit.

Do I think the engine could handle it? Yes. Hands down. But consider your transmission, X-drive system, and the fact that the vehicle has a unibody frame. While your engine could pull it, why destroy a 60K SUV? You're way over the listed towing capability of 6500 lbs., not to mention what the rear axle is rated for. I'm not even sure I'd feel comfortable sitting close to the 6500 lb limit myself - especially for a long trip.

You're talking premature wear and stress on the transmission components at minimum, not to mention any warranty issues down the road, and your safety (being over the towing limit). Have you ever towed 7500 lbs? The dynamics of a vehicle change drastically when towing heavy stuff.

Why not rent a truck? You're taking on quite a bit of liability.
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Old 07-19-2011, 01:14 PM
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I towed 6000lbs but with only one passenger and my rear axle weight was within limits. you can make 7500lbs work with the axle but you are still over the limit and an accident that results in any death will convict you of man slaughter.

That being said you most likely won;t have any issues, but as the above poster said why not just rent a uhaul truck or rent a lower weight trailer. tandem axle open trailers only 2000lbs at uhaul. Unless your pulling a fullsize SUV
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Old 07-19-2011, 02:55 PM
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Thanks guys

Just wanted to get some real world views from people that have experience. For what its worth, my X5 does have the electric brake system from BMW and the OEM hitch, all installed at the factory when I picked it up.
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Old 07-19-2011, 05:44 PM
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Just wanted to get some real world views from people that have experience. For what its worth, my X5 does have the electric brake system from BMW and the OEM hitch, all installed at the factory when I picked it up.
First report I'd heard of the factory installing the Electronic brake controller. Many people had the hitch installed at PCD, cannot recall one post on them doing an EBC install.
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Old 07-19-2011, 07:09 PM
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Here you go.

Just saw this over on 6speed:

http://www.milanos.pl/vid-42749-Miot...ak-Szatan.html
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Old 07-19-2011, 11:26 PM
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Here you go.

Just saw this over on 6speed:

http://www.milanos.pl/vid-42749-Miot...ak-Szatan.html
In all honesty, I've seen that happen with a piece of farm equipment being pulled at 65 mph with a ford ranger (WAY too small to be towing it). It *could* pull it - but the correct hitch wasn't used, the weight wasn't distributed evenly and shifted (not enough tongue weight), and no brakes.

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Just wanted to get some real world views from people that have experience. For what its worth, my X5 does have the electric brake system from BMW and the OEM hitch, all installed at the factory when I picked it up.
Another thing I recommend to people is to make sure the insurance they have is suitable for anything they are towing. I'm not in the insurance business, or have ties to one at all. But from personal experience (someone hit me while towing something, and totaled my car) is that your auto insurance may not be enough.

The gentleman was driving a U-Haul, bought extra insurance, and caused an accident by not yielding to oncoming traffic. He was found at fault, and his insurance was required to pay damages. But U-Haul (at the time) required the renter to use his own auto insurance BEFORE the purchased insurance would kick in. His personal insurance declined coverage, stating the vehicle he was driving was not covered, as it was not a passenger "type" vehicle (moving truck), and the vehicle he was insured for was not rated to tow what was being towed (he was insured for a small car).

He caused more damaged to my car than he had coverage for (The policy he purchased from U-Haul was only for the state minimum, 10K vehicle, 25K Bodily Injury. Needless to say, he ended up having to come up with the difference out of his own pocket, to the tune of 12K or so (or face legal action), because he failed to read the fine print, and have adequate insurance.

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Old 07-20-2011, 01:25 PM
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First report I'd heard of the factory installing the Electronic brake controller. Many people had the hitch installed at PCD, cannot recall one post on them doing an EBC install.
The dealer suggested that since I was having the hitch installed, why not have the electronic brake controller done too.
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Old 07-20-2011, 11:03 PM
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The dealer suggested that since I was having the hitch installed, why not have the electronic brake controller done too.
And you said "factory" did it? Was you car a PCD?
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Old 07-21-2011, 01:14 PM
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You can calculate your weight any way you want but one fact remains, the hitch itself is rated at 6,000 lbs. Any more is asking for trouble. The frame attachment points are too weak for more than 6,000 lbs. Don't do it. It is asking for trouble.
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Old 07-21-2011, 03:29 PM
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And you said "factory" did it? Was you car a PCD?
Don't know what "PCD" is, but I picked up the X5 at the factory in South Carolina with the hitch and electronic brake controller installed and drove it home to California 2,733 miles (we took the long way).
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Old 07-21-2011, 03:32 PM
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You can calculate your weight any way you want but one fact remains, the hitch itself is rated at 6,000 lbs. Any more is asking for trouble. The frame attachment points are too weak for more than 6,000 lbs. Don't do it. It is asking for trouble.
This thing took care of itself because before I called my friend to tell him no, he called me and said that he could not make his racing adventure. That said, I read somewhere than in Europe the X5 is rated at 7,500 lbs. using the same hitch. I imagine that if that's the case it gets dumb down in the U.S. because of the lawyers.
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This thing took care of itself because before I called my friend to tell him no, he called me and said that he could not make his racing adventure. That said, I read somewhere than in Europe the X5 is rated at 7,500 lbs. using the same hitch. I imagine that if that's the case it gets dumb down in the U.S. because of the lawyers.
I wouldn't doubt it as my 5k+ load was too easy up a 6% grade at 5000 elevation on a gasser... BTW isn't the tow rating 7000lbs with the load leveling suspension?
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Old 07-21-2011, 09:59 PM
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I read somewhere than in Europe the X5 is rated at 7,500 lbs. using the same hitch. I imagine that if that's the case it gets dumb down in the U.S. because of the lawyers.

Good to know, I guess ...I'd want it in writing, and even then my opinion is to never tow at the vehicles rated capacity, at least not for long distances/periods.

FYI- you went to the BMW "Performance Center Delivery" or PCD to pick up your car.
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Go to home depot and rent one of their trucks. It's not worth it to use the x5.


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Old 07-23-2011, 07:57 AM
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What do those of you that tow relatively heavy loads with the Diesel on a regular basis think about exceeding the recommended maximum. A friend needs my help towing trailer+car totalling around 7,500 lbs. for a 600 mi. round trip. Needless to say, I'm very apprehensive, but am I worrying about nothing?
you would prob be in the upper limits or beyond tow capability of the vehicle - I would be concered about driveline components-and rear suspension components. Rent a uhaul and save the wear and tear on your X- why risk it?
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