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E39 (1997 - 2003)
The BMW 5-Series (E39 chassis) was introduced in the United States as a 1997 model year car and lasted until the 2004 when the E60 chassis was released. The United States saw several variations including the 525i, 528i, 530i and 540i. -- View the E39 Wiki

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Old 09-01-2015, 09:10 AM
jwiebelhaus jwiebelhaus is offline
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Read a lot of post here on the speedo, odometer, cruise control not working, I am NOT getting the three lights of terror, but spedo still not working, replaced ALL 4 of the wheel sensors, I was getting Speed sensor "a" error, but that is gone, what up besides the 500.00 abs module repair and the 100.00 re sync (stealer cost).
Any other options ??

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Old 09-01-2015, 11:58 AM
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How did you test the sensors... did you test at the ABS module?

In honor of BB....

Cluster, electrical gremlins all seem to be different depending on the circumstances, but ... take a look at this set of threads to see if you see anything familiar:
- One user's experience debugging a half-dead instrument cluster (1) which, after testing the fuses (1) battery & alternator (1) thankfully turned into an alternative battery search (1) and a simple battery replacement DIY (1)

In addition, here is how to test the wheel speed sensors, particularly the one that innervates the speedometer.
- How to diagnose the BMW amber ABS BRAKE DSC/ASC trifecta or bifecta (1) & Quick99Si's explanation of why the 10-minute wheel speed sensor diode-action quick test doesn't always work, especially on brand new non-OEM wheel speed sensors (1) (2) & explanations by 540iman as to why the fancy diagnostic tools very often (extremely often, like almost all the time) fail to properly diagnose the trifecta or bifecta (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) & where to get the fancy schmancy diagnostic tools for free once you're aware of these limitations (1)
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Series E39 Vehicle code DP63 Model 528ITA Engine M52TU
Body type OTHER Catalog model USA Production date 1999 / 06
Transmission Automatic Steering Left Catalyzer YES

Production FROM : 1998/09/01 TO : 1999/08/31

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Old 09-01-2015, 02:13 PM
jwiebelhaus jwiebelhaus is offline
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I recently purchased the car, didn't work when I drove it home, so as I replaced the rotors, pads, hardware, I also replaced all 4 wheel sensors, still no go with the speedo.
I DO NOT have the abs, light trio going, this has me confused, maybe they have been on so long they burned out. ??? Cluster check they flash on/off.
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Old 09-01-2015, 02:42 PM
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Ok. fair enough, now test the sensors at the ABS module. Post results.. BTW posted in the treads of this forum is a per item test results for resistance to the sensors done in a spread sheet form.. Have a look for it..
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Old 02-09-2016, 12:14 PM
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Still no Speedo, but found the problem, did the cluster check to verify all the dash lights work, 4 didnt work, took the cluster out to find out that the previous owner crooked mechanic inserted cardboard over several lights so the appearance on the dash as if there wasn't a problem, but the 3 lights of doom are on now, makes sense, still pissed, I guess the ABS module is next, the wheel sensors were replaced, and tested.
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Old 02-09-2016, 12:36 PM
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simple fix.. ebay 88 bucks.. you can drive with the module out of the car...the only difference is that you'll be rocking old school 1970 on back brakes.. no biggie just no speedo and you can now skid stop...
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Old 02-09-2016, 02:46 PM
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simple fix.. ebay 88 bucks.. you can drive with the module out of the car...the only difference is that you'll be rocking old school 1970 on back brakes.. no biggie just no speedo and you can now skid stop...
+1, no ABS module is fun. BBA Reman comes highly recommended, from me at least. Reasonable cost and really quick turnaround (depends on their volume of work, but mine was repaired and shipped back to me the same day it arrived at BBA).

Good luck, OP!
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Old 02-09-2016, 03:06 PM
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I've found the best way to test the wheel speed sensors is with a scanner that can read live data. It will either show all four sensors are reporting the same wheel speed or isolate the anomalous one. If they're all good, then the ABS module rebuild is a likely next step.
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bob i think he wrote that he replaced them all and are all brand new.. now he even has a few new pieces of cardboard thanks to some low life hack..
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Old 02-09-2016, 04:40 PM
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bob i think he wrote that he replaced them all and are all brand new.. now he even has a few new pieces of cardboard thanks to some low life hack..
I realize that, but I just thought I'd add the diagnostic info in case anyone else searching the subject stumbles across this thread. Also, if the speed sensors aren't OEM, he might have a faulty one.
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Old 02-09-2016, 05:35 PM
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And there is a lesson to be learned there about buying a car. You need to watch the cluster test when you turn the key. I remember reading posts about people actually completely removing the lights from the cluster (another one BB got heavily involved in).
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Old 02-09-2016, 05:42 PM
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...You need to watch the cluster test when you turn the key. I remember reading posts about people actually completely removing the lights from the cluster (another one BB got heavily involved in).
Excellent point. Make sure all those little lights go on.
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Old 02-09-2016, 07:54 PM
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Agree with all and I understand as well bob... it's just so unethical and amoral to cover up in order to defraud. You know one thing can be said about modern cars is that at least we can talk to the computer to see what's wrong with it. But you know even with that we have to stay on our toes cuz now we can change out and reprogram items like total mileage on cars.. I guess the 'arms' race will continue for years to come..
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I realize that, but I just thought I'd add the diagnostic info in case anyone else searching the subject stumbles across this thread. Also, if the speed sensors aren't OEM, he might have a faulty one.

+1 this happens all the time, many people still try the cheapest eBay non -OEM WSS 1st only to continue to have the bi or trifecta.

I had the same issue when I bought my 97 528. But the dumb ass broke the small LED lights ABS and check engine light in my case. At least the mileage tamper dot was still intact.

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