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Old 07-30-2011, 08:52 AM
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Official 2012 Retail Price Sheet including Options

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Old 07-30-2011, 09:45 AM
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Interesting re-alignment of some options and packages -- thanks.
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Old 07-30-2011, 10:00 AM
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Interestingly for my configuration this new price structure comes out about the same - $50 less for 2012 than 2011, although I would have probably not bought the 4-Zone climate, so I am being forced to pay more.
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Old 07-30-2011, 10:11 AM
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Looks like the iPod adapter and 4-zone climate control are now standard on all models, and Xenons are now standard on the 528i.

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Old 07-30-2011, 10:33 AM
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Looks like the iPod adapter and 4-zone climate control are now standard on all models, and Xenons are now standard on the 528i.
I think the iPod adaptor is standard, but 4-Zone climate is optional and only available as part of the luxury seating package.
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Old 07-30-2011, 11:28 AM
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Old 07-30-2011, 11:58 AM
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So both ZSP and ZMP now come with Active Dampers, but no ARS. Very interesting. And I bet I know why....

I suspect that the ARS portion of the former DHP is responsible for those who have said that the F10 is floaty, boaty, Lexus-like, etc. I have been saying for a little while that I believe that if we had the euro-only M Sport non-active suspension, a lot of those criticisms would go away.

I would wager that the new M5 has active dampers, but fixed anti-roll bars. Anyone know?

I have wanted to disable my ARS.to see what happened..wonder if it disables the active dampers as well. Anyone know the fuse?
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Other than that, big shakeups in the packages. I actually like this one better, I would have gotten..

535i with:

M Sport
Premium
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Wonder what that would have come out to.
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Old 07-30-2011, 12:26 PM
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So both ZSP and ZMP now come with Active Dampers, but no ARS. Very interesting. And I bet I know why....

I suspect that the ARS portion of the former DHP is responsible for those who have said that the F10 is floaty, boaty, Lexus-like, etc. I have been saying for a little while that I believe that if we had the euro-only M Sport non-active suspension, a lot of those criticisms would go away.
I don't think I agree with you on the ARS. The Non ARS cars will have more body roll while cornering which I think is a non-sporty behavior.

I think they did this for one reason only: to make the sport package more accessible.
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I don't think I agree with you on the ARS. The Non ARS cars will have more body roll while cornering which I think is a non-sporty behavior.

I think they did this for one reason only: to make the sport package more accessible.
I agree, ars worked perfectly with the E60 ZSP suspension. Ars also works well with the F10, it's the combination of the adaptive dampers, springs and multilink tuned for a mushy and isolated base ride that is the problem, not ars.

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Old 07-30-2011, 01:46 PM
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looks like the base price for 535i went up drastically, almost $2000
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I guess no Nappa Leather dash??
I was disappointed by that too. Greg Poland (my dealer and board sponsor) is looking into whether it can be special ordered. The option code is 4M5.
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looks like the base price for 535i went up drastically, almost $2000
Yes base prices are up a lot for all models, but well equipped cars are roughly flat. It's a structural change to increase ASP, but for many of us there is no real price increase.
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Does make sense to get ARS for this price??
Is the dynamic damper control enough for regular and some spirit driving in the city??
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Yes base prices are up a lot for all models, but well equipped cars are roughly flat-------------could you please explain, i didn't get it
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Damn..Msport with ARS is now $7300 vs $6500. I think if you get most options costs will be close but getting select options only gets confusing and probably costs more.
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Grrr...I didn't really dissect it, but I saw the Premium Sound Package...which kind of annoys me because that's the primary reason I ordered the PP2 on my 2011. Would have been nice to handpick a few of the options instead of having to get a package for anything and everything.
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Yes base prices are up a lot for all models, but well equipped cars are roughly flat-------------could you please explain, i didn't get it
Well the car I ordered (see my signature below) is $50 less in 2012 prices than in 2011 prices. So that's an example of a well-equipped car whose price is flat.
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Does make sense to get ARS for this price??
Is the dynamic damper control enough for regular and some spirit driving in the city??
Probably. On my Lexus I got dynamic damper control, but I didn't get the active roll stabilization option and I am pretty much the fastest guy I see on highway ramps. The dynamic dampers try to keep the car flat in corners, but the active roll stabilization makes it more effective.

ARS helps most of all with rapid or sudden lane changes - e.g. if you do a quick right then left to pass someone moving slowly in the inside lane using a short window of space in the middle lane.
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looks like soft close doors are not avail anymore on the 535i. Also split-rear seats now comes in the CWP. Bummer missed out on the split-rear seat, but I have soft close doors.

Also the Driver assist. pkg is different on the 535i. No HUD or side/top camera.

IMHO, the best pkg cost wise is the Prem sound. you get the upgraded hi-fi and sat radio for $950

FWIW: My car would price out about $500 more with no soft-close doors but split rear seats
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I don't think I agree with you on the ARS. The Non ARS cars will have more body roll while cornering which I think is a non-sporty behavior.
No.

Non-ARS cars must have either less roll and a softer ride, or more roll and a harder ride. Depends on the tuning of anti-roll bars.

We'll see how the car comes out.

ARS does aid in cornering flatter, but when straight ahead or on gentle bends, there little to no anti-roll bars. When you're used to driving with a car with anti-roll bars, the effect can be disconcerting.
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Thanks for the pricing list. It looks like if I decided to forgo ARS, I would have been able to save a good $1000-1500 over my 2011, and got 4-zone, which I kind of wanted to get, and the anthracite headliner. I could have then ordered Nappa and cameras, but of course, who knows what the leasing is going to look like.
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Non-ARS cars must have either less roll and a softer ride, or more roll and a harder ride. Depends on the tuning of anti-roll bars.

We'll see how the car comes out.

ARS does aid in cornering flatter, but when straight ahead or on gentle bends, there little to no anti-roll bars. When you're used to driving with a car with anti-roll bars, the effect can be disconcerting.
Maybe if you are comparing active and passive anti-roll bars on a softly sprung car but in general I think you are mixing up the impact of EDC with ARS. EDC with soft springs and long suspension travel like in the F10 will float with EDC at "comfort" setting and give a poor sports feeling in sports mode when EDC tries to electronically counter act the soft springs. And either way I don't think you will get passive anti-roll bars with the 2012. EDC is a costly, unnecessary and complex menace.

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Maybe if you are comparing active and passive anti-roll bars on a softly sprung car but in general I think you are mixing up the impact of EDC with ARS. EDC with soft springs and long suspension travel like in the F10 will float with EDC at "comfort" setting and give a poor sports feeling in sports mode when EDC tries to electronically counter act the soft springs. And either way I don't think you will get passive anti-roll bars with the 2012. EDC is a costly, unnecessary and complex menace.
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Well, we can agree to disagree. However, I've owned a car with active dampers, soft springs, and relatively stiff anti roll bars. Originally I took the soft springs and put in stiffer ones. Then I put the stock springs back in and put in stiffer anti-roll bars. Zero float whatsoever, great ride and tremendous handling.

Read this month's Bimmer magazine. There is an article about a 128i done by TC Kline, where he talks in general about handling setups. His comment is that the most common mistake is to run too much spring and not enough damping. Really you want as soft a spring as you can run for compliance and the most grip you can get while putting on a damper that is progressive and as stiff as you need for performance.

And yes, you will get passive anti-roll bars with the 2012 if you don't order the ARS.
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