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Old 10-16-2011, 05:31 AM
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Turning off car -- Double push of start/stop button?

IN my 2011 328i, if I hold the start/stop button for a long press (more than 1 second), everything shuts off.

This doesn't happen in my wife's 2012 x3. Is there any way to shut everything off, without a double press? Am I doing something wrong?
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Old 10-16-2011, 02:21 PM
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Double press for X3, hopefully firmware upgrade later to allow customization of 1 button click. F30 2012 3-series has an extra off button above the start/stop, not sure if that turns off everything completely.
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Old 10-16-2011, 02:51 PM
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Double press for X3, hopefully firmware upgrade later to allow customization of 1 button click. F30 2012 3-series has an extra off button above the start/stop, not sure if that turns off everything completely.
Wonder why that' required for the x3, but not the 2011 328i (where I can do a long press to shut off).
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Old 10-16-2011, 06:30 PM
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Wonder why that' required for the x3, but not the 2011 328i (where I can do a long press to shut off).
Simple: different firmware.
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Old 10-16-2011, 07:25 PM
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Simple: different firmware.
The question is why the software would be designed differently for the x3 as opposed to the 328i for this one particular feature.

Is there a reason to design out (or design in) the one button long push to turn everything off? You would think it would be consistent in BMWs.
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Old 10-17-2011, 12:39 AM
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It gets worse when you have start/stop. If start/stop has operated the turn off sequence is different so I'm finding with 2 pushes I'm turning the car on again.....I'd better read the manual.
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Old 10-17-2011, 07:39 AM
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Make sure your foot is off the brake when you push the second time.
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Old 10-17-2011, 08:23 AM
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It's really not that difficult to push the button twice just leave your foot off the brake.
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Old 10-17-2011, 08:30 AM
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Plus the 328 is almost 7 years old tech. The x is brand new.
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Old 10-17-2011, 09:53 AM
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It's really not that difficult to push the button twice just leave your foot off the brake.
It's not that simple with start/stop. I've just verified that if start/stop decides to stop the engine then I have to push the button once. I don't leave my foot on the brake as I use Auto Hold.

When I park as the time for the start/stop to operate is about the same time I need to press the button. Sometimes the stop/stop operates a fraction of a second before I hit the button so I can never be totally sure whether I need to hit once or twice.
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Old 10-17-2011, 11:14 AM
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hello clivem2,

The thread is from an owner in the USA. At the moment, the "Start/Stop" feature you have in the UK isn't available in the US or Canada. The "Start/Stop" here is refering to the keyless Start/Stop. If I am wrong, please correct me.
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Old 10-17-2011, 11:18 AM
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hello clivem2,

The thread is from an owner in the USA. At the moment, the "Start/Stop" feature you have in the UK isn't available in the US or Canada. The "Start/Stop" here is refering to the keyless Start/Stop. If I am wrong, please correct me.
You are correct hence why I said it's worse when you have start/stop. I realise the terminology may not be familiar in the countries where it's not standard. Is this just US and CDN? I notice Central America gets Start/Stop.
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Old 10-17-2011, 11:56 AM
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Plus the 328 is almost 7 years old tech. The x is brand new.
Right. So why would the newer tech require 2 pushes, while the "older tech" requires only 1 slightly longer push (or 2 separate pushes) to completely shut off.

Isn't the "older tech" more advanced in this instance? It seems like a backward direction to absolutely require 2 pushes, instead of one long push, or the option of 2 pushes.
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Old 10-21-2011, 06:53 AM
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Right. So why would the newer tech require 2 pushes, while the "older tech" requires only 1 slightly longer push (or 2 separate pushes) to completely shut off.

Isn't the "older tech" more advanced in this instance? It seems like a backward direction to absolutely require 2 pushes, instead of one long push, or the option of 2 pushes.

Technically, I don't think you need to push the button twice. When you push it once and exit the car everything will shut off after you lock the car.
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Old 10-21-2011, 10:27 AM
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Technically, I don't think you need to push the button twice. When you push it once and exit the car everything will shut off after you lock the car.
I agree.
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Old 10-24-2011, 09:33 AM
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Technically, I don't think you need to push the button twice. When you push it once and exit the car everything will shut off after you lock the car.
Ugh. Let me try again.

When we park our cars in our garage at home we don't lock them.

My car - a 2011 382i, I hold the start/stop button for a little longer and everything shuts down

My wife's car -- a 2012 X3, you have to press twice (assuming not locking). Holding longer does nothing.

The question is -- why is it like that on the X3. It works perfectly fine on the 328i -- so why was that changed for the X3? Why not keep the same "feature" for the start/stop button that is in the 3 series?

It doesn't seem to make any sense to remove the long press to shut it all down.
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Old 10-25-2011, 06:11 PM
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It has seemed to me like an odd change, too. Of course, you don't really have to press the button the second time. Once you have the engine shut down, you can just get out of the car and lock it; locking will turn off the same electric circuits that the second press would have turned off. Someone up above mentioned the inter-action with start/stop. I think that is the key to this change. The E9X cars don't have start/stop technology, but the F10 and F25 do. This feature, which is coming to the US with 2012 models, shuts off the engine when the car isn't moving and restarts it automatically when you take your foot off the brake. I haven't thought through why that change would necessitate this (otherwise unwelcome) change, but maybe it makes life easier. You stop the car; the engine shuts off by itself. At that point, a single press or locking the car shuts everything else off.
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Old 10-30-2011, 09:15 PM
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I believe this is an example of what they call a "rich person's problem." LOL!
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Old 10-31-2011, 08:07 PM
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With a short-press on 328i or a one-press on 2012 X3 what is not shut off when not-everything shuts off?
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Old 11-04-2011, 10:37 AM
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With a short-press on 328i or a one-press on 2012 X3 what is not shut off when not-everything shuts off?
The radio and all electronics.
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Old 11-05-2011, 05:58 PM
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Old 11-15-2011, 01:38 AM
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I think with one press, it does shutdown after car is idle a while
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Old 11-15-2011, 07:43 AM
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Turning off car

Generally when these type of dual function devices are in place in industry, it is common practice to have two different methods for activation/deactivation. I am assuming that BMW changed the "OFF" function due to a potential safety issue. Either the extended HOLD or double click should be sufficient to turn off the engine.

What they are trying to prevent is the inadvertent click (as you are driving down the road) from shutting down the vehicle and causing an issue. Having the brake activated is also another layer of protection to prevent a mistake here.

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Old 11-15-2011, 09:14 AM
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Generally when these type of dual function devices are in place in industry, it is common practice to have two different methods for activation/deactivation. I am assuming that BMW changed the "OFF" function due to a potential safety issue. Either the extended HOLD or double click should be sufficient to turn off the engine.

What they are trying to prevent is the inadvertent click (as you are driving down the road) from shutting down the vehicle and causing an issue. Having the brake activated is also another layer of protection to prevent a mistake here.

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I can't make any sense out of this post. Under both the old (pre-2011) and new systems, one quick push shuts the engine down. But maybe not if the car is moving or (with AT) in Drive? So the change makes no contribution that I can see to safety. I think it mainly has to do with the start/stop. But exactly what, and how, isn't clear. This is yet another one of those annoying multi-function controls whose immediate function depends on the state of something else that the driver must pay attention to and isn't immediately obvious. Bad ergonomics.

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I believe the way it worked in my 2008 335 was pretty good, that is to turn the whole car off (engine + electronics) you either did a douple tap on the Start button or you could hold the Start button down for a couple of seconds. I know shutting off the X3 drives me crazy as I was use to the other method and I get inconsistent results depending on timing and where my foot is as to what happens in the X3. I am not sure why just hitting the Start does not just shut everything down and if you want the electronics to stay on then just hit it again w/o your foot on the break. I know in my case shutting the car off is a multi daily scenario where wanting to leave the electonics on is only occasionaly the case.

Good software/firmware design is to program for the majority case not the exception

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