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E82 / E88 1 Series (2008 - 2013)
BMWs throw back to the iconic 2002, with a renewed form and function. The smallest car in BMW's line up but still packs a punch. Available in coupe or convertible, powered by either an inline 6 in the 128 or the twin turbo rocket sled 135.

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Old 12-06-2011, 05:23 PM
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I'm just trying to understand...what does that mean?
Okay. See if this helps. IMO driving a 128 requires some driving skill to get the best out of the car. For me that's more fun. Most of the 135 fans seem to be big on acceleration. That's okay if you dig that, but for me it's too easy.
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Old 12-07-2011, 03:35 AM
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Okay. See if this helps. IMO driving a 128 requires some driving skill to get the best out of the car. For me that's more fun. Most of the 135 fans seem to be big on acceleration. That's okay if you dig that, but for me it's too easy.
It does help...Thanks! You make a good point. I would add to it though, using my experiences as an example, that honing your driving skills on good but less powerful cars can make you an even better driver and better prepared to handle greater torque and horsepower. I recall threads elsewhere on this forum where the OPs were teenagers asking for thoughts about their parents getting them M cars, usually M3s, and thinking to myself are they ready to handle such cars? and will they be safe? It doesn't bother me that their parents can afford to buy them such cars; however, it worries me that these drivers may not understand and know how to control these cars. The counterpoint (to your point) is that 135i drivers prefer the added driving thrill and enjoyment power (torque and HP) brings to such a terrific handling car.
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Old 12-07-2011, 07:51 AM
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"Acceleration isn't everything." I didn't say it was. I'm just saying that I've had a 2.8 Z3, a and an M Roadster, both manual 5 speeds and a manual 6 speed M3. The 135i is the most fun of any car I've had. I have the 7 speed DCT, which is an engineering marve,l and makes you feel a bit like a formula 1 driver in the twisties! I thought I'd miss "heel and toe" shifting but I don't. I'm good at it but the DCT is better!! To each his own.
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You don't give the 128i enough credit. If you get the sport package, the 128i handles just as well as the 135i. If you get the manual coupe, it's hundreds of pounds lighter than the automatic convertible that Guam135i was mentioning.

Sure, it takes six seconds to get to 60 instead of five seconds, there's no denying the 135i has more oomph. But acceleration isn't everything.
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Old 12-07-2011, 07:56 AM
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Very thoughtful and extremely accurate post!!
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It does help...Thanks! You make a good point. I would add to it though, using my experiences as an example, that honing your driving skills on good but less powerful cars can make you an even better driver and better prepared to handle greater torque and horsepower. I recall threads elsewhere on this forum where the OPs were teenagers asking for thoughts about their parents getting them M cars, usually M3s, and thinking to myself are they ready to handle such cars? and will they be safe? It doesn't bother me that their parents can afford to buy them such cars; however, it worries me that these drivers may not understand and know how to control these cars. The counterpoint (to your point) is that 135i drivers prefer the added driving thrill and enjoyment power (torque and HP) brings to such a terrific handling car.
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Old 12-07-2011, 02:18 PM
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I'm driving a 335is, if I wasn't I'd be driving a 135. I think it's a fantastic car. I had the '08 135 vert.
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I came across this on Youtube and thought it was of some relevance to this thread.

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Old 12-11-2011, 04:48 AM
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Had same decision ~ year ago. Decided on 135i with M pkg, for a firm suspension for cornering, upgrade in brakes (more power means nothing if you can't stop fast), & unique alloy wheels. Since added BMW phase I power kit software with +20 hp. I also ordered DCT transmission, which may not be available on 128. DCT shifts similar to Formula 1 cars, but I can only read about Formula 1 cars. Either car is enjoyable to drive. Next BMW may be another small car (120?), with Manual (miss shifting a manual despite DCT). Prefer BMW motorcycles (boxer twin), but had to give up owning motorcycles years ago.
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Old 12-20-2011, 03:52 PM
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Doesn't the 128i do 0-60 in about 6s which is not bad at all for the money.
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Old 12-20-2011, 05:20 PM
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Doesn't the 128i do 0-60 in about 6s which is not bad at all for the money.
Yeah, BMW quotes 6.1s, real-world testing shows about 5.9s with the stick shift.

It's less impressive at ~6.7s with the STEPTRONIC transmission. The 135i has a better automatic (DCT) transmission, it manages ~5.0s either way.

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Old 12-20-2011, 06:11 PM
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Doesn't the 128i do 0-60 in about 6s which is not bad at all for the money.
Apparently not good enough for some (in the US). Euro drivers do not seem to have a problem with it. (Maybe they're better drivers).

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Old 12-21-2011, 01:51 AM
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Apparently not good enough for some (in the US). Euro drivers do not seem to have a problem with it. (Maybe they're better drivers).
While most drivers in Europe drives with stick shift, most people are also ordinary drivers who don't prioritize performance. It's more expensive owning any car in Europe than here in the USA.
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Old 12-21-2011, 06:03 AM
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Apparently not good enough for some (in the US). Euro drivers do not seem to have a problem with it. (Maybe they're better drivers).
There are five 1-series at our German factory. All of them have 4-cylinder engines, some are Diesel. The purchase price of a 1-series in Germany is 30% higher than in the US, gas is 2x the cost, and taxes are higher. Most of my German colleagues can afford, or won't spend the money, to buy and drive a 123d, 130i or a 135i. They are quite happy with the performance of the smaller engines. A 120d is actually fun to drive.
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Old 12-21-2011, 06:26 AM
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I have no idea what prorail means, but I have a 135i. It is my 4th BMW sports car, including an M Roadster and an e46 M3. Of all of them the 135i with the 7sp DCT transmission is the most fun It is a rocket. But it is also a great daily driver -- provided that, if you live where it snows, you make provision for winter tires.I would say this: if you do not truly enjoy high performance driving, go for the 128
I've owned an M roadster, a 335 and a 128. Not sure how you can say a 135 was more fun than the M roadster. Just my opinion, but the M roadster was by far a more agile, more capable and downright fun car. I still regret selling it.
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The DCT is not an automatic transmission in any traditional sense at all. It has a gear box and a clutch, two of them actually. Just no clutch pedal. And as good as I am at shifting a manual, the DCT is better and faster -- up or down.

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Yeah, BMW quotes 6.1s, real-world testing shows about 5.9s with the stick shift.

It's less impressive at ~6.7s with the STEPTRONIC transmission. The 135i has a better automatic (DCT) transmission, it manages ~5.0s either way.
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All of them were a lot of fun to be sure, but i am really enjoying the 135i with sports package. Although I do miss shifting a little I really do enjoy the novelty of the unique DCT 7 spd. transmission.

By the way the M3 was more agile than the M Roadster, and I only got rid of the roadster, which I loved, becouse when we moved from California to Denver I found it was a lousy daily driver for much of the year. Other than that -- to each his own.


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I've owned an M roadster, a 335 and a 128. Not sure how you can say a 135 was more fun than the M roadster. Just my opinion, but the M roadster was by far a more agile, more capable and downright fun car. I still regret selling it.
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The DCT is not an automatic transmission in any traditional sense at all. It has a gear box and a clutch, two of them actually. Just no clutch pedal. And as good as I am at shifting a manual, the DCT is better and faster -- up or down.
It's pretty simple, if a machine chooses when and whether to shift, it's an automatic. This includes automatics where you can ask the computer to shift via paddles or the selector.

I realize DCT isn't a slushbox, and I wasn't putting it down - the DCT performs very well. But it's still an automatic. Even BMW thinks so:

http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...fications.aspx

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You've obviously never driven one. The machine does not choose when or whether to shift. It can do that if you tell it to. I never run it in auto mode, my wife does. I shift it myself every time, just as I did my M 3 or my M Roadster, I just don't use the clutch pedal anymore. This transmission is an absolute marvel. F1 technology come to the masses.


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It's pretty simple, if a machine chooses when and whether to shift, it's an automatic. This includes automatics where you can ask the computer to shift via paddles or the selector.

I realize DCT isn't a slushbox, and I wasn't putting it down - the DCT performs very well. But it's still an automatic. Even BMW thinks so:

http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...fications.aspx
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