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X3 F25 (2011 - current)
The latest X3 brings some added style and some new features to the BMW SUV family. Talk about the new F25 now!

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Old 08-17-2011, 06:41 AM
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Do you think the X3 steering wheel has no weight?

It may not be fair to compare it to the 3 series, but I thought the X3 wheel was light and disconnected to the road. I was in the sport+ mode BTW.
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Old 08-17-2011, 08:14 AM
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I drove a 2.0D without VSS and found the steering to have about as much feel as video game controller without any feedback gizmos. I hope the VSS on my 3.0D will at least be a little better. It is a problem with electric PS.

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Old 08-17-2011, 01:19 PM
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I thought so too during the test drive. Bought the car anyway because I loved everything else. Extremely surprised that few reviewers took serious notice on this.
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Old 08-17-2011, 03:04 PM
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I thought so too during the test drive. Bought the car anyway because I loved everything else. Extremely surprised that few reviewers took serious notice on this.
To be fair, all other crossovers have light steering, so maybe people think it is to be expected. I thought BMW would do better.
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Old 08-17-2011, 04:53 PM
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To be fair, all other crossovers have light steering, so maybe people think it is to be expected. I thought BMW would do better.
The issue I have with the steering is that you have to constantly make small corrections to hold a straight line. This was never an issue on my 08 X3. The old steering was so connected and tight. Loved it. Not so much the new steering feel.
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Old 08-17-2011, 05:18 PM
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It may not be fair to compare it to the 3 series, but I thought the [X3 wheel was light and disconnected to the road. I was in the sport+ mode BTW.
Definitely agree... The old X3 had much more road feedback. Overall, our '05 X3 felt sportier in terms of handling, tighter steering, crisper brakes, more connected to the road... Etc. The new is much more of luxury car though, and feels more refined. My wife is happy with it.
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Old 08-17-2011, 07:23 PM
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I'm honestly surprised no one has figured this out lately.

The majority of average drivers tend to complain that BMW steering of old was unnecessarily heavy at low speeds, especially many magazines. So BMW has rectified these market complaints in newer models. Does this mean that enthusiasts had the same opinion? Probably not, but BMW doesn't cater to enthusiasts as much anymore. This applies to the throttle response and suspension as well.

The X3, like many new BMWs, is for the average driver. Get it in y'all's heads folks! Brand direction and marketing change over time.

Reviews of the X1 comment that the steering on the X1 is nicely weighted, if a bit heavy at low speeds. Want to believe that it's gonna be "just right" for folks like us?
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Old 08-17-2011, 07:23 PM
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;-( . Guess you can't be happy with every aspects.
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Old 08-17-2011, 08:05 PM
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i'm honestly surprised no one has figured this out lately.

The majority of average drivers tend to complain that bmw steering of old was unnecessarily heavy at low speeds, especially many magazines. So bmw has rectified these market complaints in newer models. Does this mean that enthusiasts had the same opinion? Probably not, but bmw doesn't cater to enthusiasts as much anymore. This applies to the throttle response and suspension as well.

The x3, like many new bmws, is for the average driver. get it in y'all's heads folks! brand direction and marketing change over time.

Reviews of the x1 comment that the steering on the x1 is nicely weighted, if a bit heavy at low speeds. Want to believe that it's gonna be "just right" for folks like us?
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Old 08-18-2011, 05:58 PM
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Aside from the lightened steering wheel, the 35i with M sport did have much better sporty handling and driving dynamics than other brand crossovers. Unfortunately the light steering took a lot of fun out of it.

If the Sport+ was designed to tighten the wheel, then it should have been clearly felt, but it wasn't. This reminded me of the new Mustang GT, it had a sport mode supposedly to tighten the wheel but it did nothing.
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When I put it in sport + I can def. feel the change in the wheel tightening up. Is it as tight as a 3 series? No. However, it is vast improvement over normal mode.
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Does the new X3 have the electric power steering, instead of the old system?
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Old 08-19-2011, 06:59 AM
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When I put it in sport + I can def. feel the change in the wheel tightening up. Is it as tight as a 3 series? No. However, it is vast improvement over normal mode.
Maybe I will give the sport+ another try, admittedly I wasn't too familiar with the car, might have switched in and out of several different modes.

Can one use the sport+ mode all the time?
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Old 08-19-2011, 07:34 AM
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Maybe I will give the sport+ another try, admittedly I wasn't too familiar with the car, might have switched in and out of several different modes.

Can one use the sport+ mode all the time?
Yes
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Talking Steering feel

We have the 3.5 with adjustable dampers and setting the sport or sport + mode noticeably tightens up the steering. In fact we have customized the sport mode to only inlcude the suspension settings and not the powertrain setting to avoid the gas consumption of sport. Just my $.02.
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I test drove both VSS and regular and neither have proper BMW feedback. Both are very light as well, but that is a separate characteristic. I am ok with the light steering effort, coming from the overly-heavy 540iT's, but I miss the steering feel that previously characterized the BMW driving experience.
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Old 08-29-2011, 02:57 PM
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BMW has yet to figure out how to tune the electrically assisted steering in their new cars, but they are getting better at it. The steering in the F10 5-series I drove last year at the introductory event was awful, lacking not only feedback but precision as well. This was not only my assessment but that of most others who drove it including one of the CAs. The steering in the 535 I drove this July was greatly improved, being quite precise although still lacking in feedback. My X35i with DHP is similar. It will be interesting to see if Porsche does better with their new 911. Unfortunately, I think BMW is making a strong statement on their current state of the art with the new F10 M5 which will have hydraulically, not electrically, assisted steering.
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Old 09-03-2011, 10:59 AM
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Interesting one this, I do find my X3 steering to be much lighter then my previous rwd 120D but I am getting used to it and can now keep a straight line down the road but it does still tramline on some surfaces. Sport mode seems to have no effect on steering feel or weight but overall I can live with it. Incidentally, the steering on my partner's 2006 118D now feels ridiculously heavy at low speeds in comparison with my X3.
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After driving our X3 for a while I am growing to like the weight of the steering. I do wish it didn't feel like a video game controller. It does offer ok feedback under hard cornering, but it quite vague on center.
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