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E39 (1997 - 2003)
The BMW 5-Series (E39 chassis) was introduced in the United States as a 1997 model year car and lasted until the 2004 when the E60 chassis was released. The United States saw several variations including the 525i, 528i, 530i and 540i. -- View the E39 Wiki

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Old 09-01-2011, 08:58 AM
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Oil filter purchase at NAPA

Went to my local NAPA to purchase a Mann oil filter (HU925/4x). Guy brings me a Wix filter instead. I told him I wanted the Mann filter. Guy says he has had a lot of them come back. He couldn't tell me why though. I smiled, bought the Mann filter and walked out the door.

Why would somebody return an oil filter? Anybody have issues with the Mann filters? I have not heard of any problems.
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Old 09-01-2011, 09:03 AM
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Only problem is with STP Oil Filter, whose O-ring is a tad small, causing leak later.
Stick to Mann or Mahle.
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Old 09-01-2011, 09:23 AM
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Last spring an unknown quantity of cheaply manufactured counterfeit Mann oil filters made it into the supply chain of several nationwide parts houses. Many didn't fit, weren't glued properly, and generally looked like poo.

Mann-Hummel found and shut down the factory in china(at least one of them) and posted ways to verify authenticity of their product.

http://www.mann-hummel.com/mfcn/inde...=50.1.1646.2.1

http://www.mann-hummel.com/mfcn/uplo...BFNI6scOrf.pdf


I stopped using them until I'm sure it's completely sorted and have only bought Mahle for the past 18 months or so. While the barcode inventory check seems to have helped out most major chain parts stores there are still shady internet vendors selling certain counterfeit Mann parts.
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Old 09-01-2011, 09:32 AM
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Wow, that's some hi tech shop in China. A bit bigger than a 2 car garage! Now I know what I can manufacture in my garage should I lose my job. LOL

Thanks Bimmertek for the PDF.

OP, WIX makes some good quality filters. Just stay away from STP.
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Old 09-01-2011, 09:44 AM
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Thanks bimmerteck,

Given the unknown nature of Mann Oil Filter until they sort it out, it is better to order a whole bunch of Mahle Oil Filters and keep them at home.
I change my oil twice a year, so 4 filters good for 2 years.
It is $5.25/each for Mahle.

http://www.eaceuroparts.com/parts/pa...10/1998/E39528
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Old 09-01-2011, 09:46 AM
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Only problem is with STP Oil Filter, whose O-ring is a tad small, causing leak later. Stick to Mann or Mahle.
The STP is even worse than that.

If you look at my how not to change oil threads, you'll see that the STP filter has a weak seam.

So, oil slips right through, unfiltered.

The Mann seam is, well, seamless.


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Old 09-01-2011, 10:06 AM
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My buddy saw my 6 Mann filters and 6 K&N's, to which he said that K&N filters for our cars are generally inferior and always stick to Mann. He works at a BMW performance shop and can't stand seeing the K&N's come in only to fall apart in his hand.

From my experience with other cars, WIX is generally regarded as a top tier brand for oil filters. Check out bobtheoilguy
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Old 09-01-2011, 12:36 PM
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Thanks for the info. I did not know about the counterfeit Mann filters. Need to check the one I just purchased.
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Old 09-01-2011, 12:40 PM
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I'm somewhat of a detail guy so forgive me. The Mahle filter appears to have a raised lip at the inside diameter of the black cap on the filter. The Mann filter does not have a similar cap and is not raised. Does this really matter? Is this just the beauty of generic catalog pictures? Am I really seeing the true Mahle filter?
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Old 09-01-2011, 01:08 PM
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I can't say for your motor, since mine is using a different oil filter housing I use a different filter as well. (I order filters for a US spec S54) Perhaps one of the others can take a picture of the mahle filter for your model and post it up to determine if the generic catalog pic is correct.
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Old 09-01-2011, 02:12 PM
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The top/bottom surface of the Mann filter I purchased is perfectly flat. Photo attached.
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I just bought a Mahle. Can take a pic if you need to see it, but its for a S62 M5 engine...

Didn't know anything about the counterfeit issue, but the past couple of time I've bought Mahle since Olympus store in town carries it and I can buy the old fashioned way.
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Old 09-01-2011, 02:40 PM
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IIRC the plastic BMW oil filter housing caps for the m52/m54 are spring loaded to push down on the top of the oil filter and hold it tight against the base of the housing so that it seals even if the oil filter collapses a bit over the course of the oil drain interval. But back when I was working on BMWs our shop pretty much used Hengst, Mann, and Mahle filters(sourced through worldpac) both exclusively and interchangeably, and I can't remember having an issue with any.

I didn't realize that counterfeits even existed until I tried to buy a case of filters for my car from one of my FIL's Napa store's last spring. They had special ordered them for me and I went to pick them up and the boxes were way too flimsy. (I've been wrenching on european cars for 15 years now so I've had quite a few mann filters in my hands over the years) I opened one up and the filter could be easily crushed and the end was visually not sealed well. After talking to the manager of the store he did some digging and found that several different filters he had ordered through a new distributor were in fact counterfeit.

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Old 09-01-2011, 04:12 PM
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Here's my old STP filter (when I was young and styupid) next to the Mann (once I was edified by you guys):
- How not to change your oil (I make every mistake in the book)

The Mann is flat. Feels like clear plastic on the ends.

The STP has rubber and, worse yet, the seams are weak and bare.

(See also the picture I just appended to my previous post above, which shows, from the inside, how the STP seam split.)

Funny thing, that STP filter, bought at Kragan (or Autozone, I forget) was something like three times the price of the Mann filters.

Which, goes to show: You never get what you pay for; you simply get what you get - so it behooves YOU to do the research!

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Old 09-01-2011, 06:48 PM
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Wix is as good as it gets--the guy gave you as good or better than the filter that you wanted. Nothing wrong with a Wix filter, Bar none.....
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Old 09-02-2011, 11:57 AM
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Thanks for the heads up. I guess anything can be bootleged these days.
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Old 10-09-2011, 09:50 AM
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Just some fun facts, I have both Mahle and Mann Oil Filters (for 6-cylinder E39) at home.
So I took some photos, you can see that Mahle has a plastic rings at the top and bottom.
Just slight difference in design, no big deal.

As long as you stay away from Mann counterfeit, then you are fine with Mann.
On the other hand, if you are worried about Mann counterfeit, go with Mahle.

Here is the photo showing the difference between Mahle (Made in Austria) vs Mann (Made in Mexico):


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Old 10-09-2011, 05:07 PM
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I just purchased a Mann filter. The Mahle looks like a slightly better, more durable design. I think I will go that route after this oil change.
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Old 10-25-2011, 04:03 PM
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Ok, not to beat a dead horse but I just had to ask.

Has anyone tried buying (or have actually bought) all these different Mann filters from Amazon lately? I just bought a whole lot...from cabin air filters to engine air filters and oil filters.

I can't see anything wrong with them but these counterfeiters are very sly folks, and from what I've learned here, can certainly pull a fast one.

How about AutoHausAZ or the other suppliers (forum sponsors or not)? Is it safe to say all the "counterfeit" stuff is now out of the system and we're good to go?

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AutoHausAZ is ok
you can send it back free if you dont like it
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Old 10-26-2011, 08:46 AM
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...Has anyone tried buying (or have actually bought) all these different Mann filters from Amazon lately? I just bought a whole lot...from cabin air filters to engine air filters and oil filters.
Post a pic of your Mann Oil Filter and compare against the pic above (Mann Engine Oil Filter OEM for E39 is made in Mexico).
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After I read this announcement:
https://www.mann-hummel.com/index.ht...=23&rec_no=834

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...Just after the Chinese New Year, MANN+HUMMEL announced that it would start to use the Chinese trademark for its MANN-FILTER in Chinese automotive aftermarket. This Chinese trademark will be launched in the first half of 2010 and applied to the outer package of filters produced in China...
I am switching to Mahle (made in Austria).

China violates human rights, makes tons of counterfeit stuff with no regards for anyone.
I am staying away from Companies that do business in China. It is a difficult thing to do, but I am sticking to my gun.
Mahle from now on.
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Old 11-22-2011, 02:11 PM
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After I read this announcement:
https://www.mann-hummel.com/index.ht...=23&rec_no=834



I am switching to Mahle (made in Austria).
Good info Cam. I've always preferred Mahle anyway.

Much prefer the sturdy Plastic end caps of the Mahle over the cellulose (environmentally friendly) Mann.
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Old 11-22-2011, 02:17 PM
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Right on CN90, ever since I went to the Tibetan Freedom 2 day concert in San francisco like 10 bajillion years ago. I'll go mahle next time, depressing that I am about to install a Mann air filter
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