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Old 09-06-2011, 06:58 PM
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Hi, I'm a new member of the forum. I have a 2008 X3. It had a variety of warning lights coming on so took it to the dealer. It has 77k on it - so warranty is over. They called today and told me $4,000 for a transmission repair. Really! A BMW that doesn't even have 80k on it needed a $4,000 transmission repair. Has anyone else run into this? Thanks for any advice.
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Old 09-06-2011, 07:00 PM
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Yup. Sorry to hear. BMW automatics are not known for their longevity.
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Old 09-06-2011, 07:15 PM
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and it might not be the transmission.. could be the transfer case. those tend to blow around 70-80 from what i've seen on here.
do you have sport package or different size tires by any chance?>
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Old 09-06-2011, 07:17 PM
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We do have the sport package on it. Does that make a difference?
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Old 09-06-2011, 07:21 PM
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check the tires. if they are even slightly out of spec, it can effect the transmission and the XDrive.
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Old 09-06-2011, 08:07 PM
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Thanks! Shall do. the tire light has also been on - but I've checked the pressure over and over and they're all fine according to the tire gauge. So that's connected maybe?
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Thanks! Shall do. the tire light has also been on - but I've checked the pressure over and over and they're all fine according to the tire gauge. So that's connected maybe?
If pressure is ok could be the sending unit is bad on one tire. Did you try a reset? When you add air, hold FTM button down until light goes off and comes back on. Drive a short distance and it should then go out if functioning properly.
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Yup. Sorry to hear. BMW automatics are not known for their longevity.
I see a lot of posts of people getting 200k miles on autos, so they seem pretty robust.
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Hi, I'm a new member of the forum. I have a 2008 X3. It had a variety of warning lights coming on so took it to the dealer. It has 77k on it - so warranty is over. They called today and told me $4,000 for a transmission repair. Really! A BMW that doesn't even have 80k on it needed a $4,000 transmission repair. Has anyone else run into this? Thanks for any advice.
What code is coming up? Ask them.
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Hi, I'm a new member of the forum. I have a 2008 X3. It had a variety of warning lights coming on so took it to the dealer. It has 77k on it - so warranty is over. They called today and told me $4,000 for a transmission repair. Really! A BMW that doesn't even have 80k on it needed a $4,000 transmission repair. Has anyone else run into this? Thanks for any advice.
There's your first mistake. Taking it to a dealer. Find an independent ASE certified BMW mechanic. Contact your local BMWCCA chapter for ones they know.
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Yup. Sorry to hear. BMW automatics are not known for their longevity.
Not X3's. I havent' seen many (if any) cases of catastrophic failure on AT's that I can remember being reported in here. (If Diagnosis is correct)

Bunch of pre 07 X3's hitting +100K miles, including mine, without any problems.
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Get it back from the dealer and take it to a good BMW oriented Indy shop. At the worst you can get a good transmission from a salvage yard (lots of flooded BMW's are around now) and have it installed for about a third of that.
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Not X3's. I havent' seen many (if any) cases of catastrophic failure on AT's that I can remember being reported in here. (If Diagnosis is correct)

Bunch of pre 07 X3's hitting +100K miles, including mine, without any problems.
Same here - I am at 99,200 miles now!
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Old 09-07-2011, 10:56 AM
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The 2008 model year and up use a GM 6L45 transmission and are very well built (same as CTS and Camero). I have gotten 300k before in a GMC with the old version transmission (4L60E) with proper PM.

Keep us posted though about the issue. If it truly is a catastrophic issue, have the dealer work with BMWNA, you never know they might cover parts if you do labor. Your car is only a 2008 and is close to warranty miles.
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Old 09-09-2011, 10:09 AM
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The 2008 model year and up use a GM 6L45 transmission and are very well built (same as CTS and Camero). I have gotten 300k before in a GMC with the old version transmission (4L60E) with proper PM.

Keep us posted though about the issue. If it truly is a catastrophic issue, have the dealer work with BMWNA, you never know they might cover parts if you do labor. Your car is only a 2008 and is close to warranty miles.

I disagree. The GM6 tranny used in the X3 is known for being problematic (see sticky top of page). However, if you can show records that this vehicle was in the shop for tranny problems you might have some more leverage.
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The transmission problems seem to be the result of the proprietary BMW software/application and not the hardware of the transmission itself which has been used in hundereds of thousands of vehicles of all kinds. We agree to disagree on the GM box in this case.
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ask if they can replace it with a manual transmission. Since they're there anyway may as well fix it for good
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Old 09-09-2011, 10:17 AM
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The price would be astronomical to do that. It really is not a practical solution, although like anything else automotive you can do virtually anything if you spend enough money!
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4000 seems kind of astronomical to me. or is it gastronomical?
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4000 seems kind of astronomical to me. or is it gastronomical?
Both apply (burp) in this case!
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The transmission problems seem to be the result of the proprietary BMW software/application and not the hardware of the transmission itself which has been used in hundereds of thousands of vehicles of all kinds. We agree to disagree on the GM box in this case.
Agreed to some extent. I think the real problem no one has ever been able to truly cure the problem of the GM6 is that they are treating as a pure software issue. Whereas my hypothesis is that it is both and depending on how extensive the hardware issue the software will correct or not.

Kind of like giving a cover all antibiotic. If the issue is not what you think it may be but the antibiotic cures (the hidden bug) that too (when of lesser degree) than it fixes it.

This is based on the fact that German engineering is so flawless, but exact it becomes a double edged word. For instance the German luger is world renown for its engineering and difficulty to maintain (because of the exact specs). If you get a faulty one there is no way to repair it without re-machining it. With software we can fudge the tolerance points a bit.
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I get what you are saying, but I also struggle to believe this transmission has hardware issues. Like I have said before, the old faithful 4l60e was a GM workhorse from 1984 to 2010 and has millions of reliable miles under it's belt. It's downfall was increased MPG requirements.

I get software being a culprit though. I own both a 2008 128i vert and a 2009 x3. Both have this 6l45 tranny. In neither have I had issues described in the sticky, but I have to admit the 2011 328i loaner that I have been driving for the last week (and put 1000 miles on) had faster and better shifts than either of my cars. Hardware is the same in all 3 cars.

I also admit that the 6l50(?) in my dads 11 GMC Sierra with a v8 shifts better than my x3. In addition my best friends 10 camero with our tranny has shifts more like the 328 loaner than either of my cars.

So there my 2 cents. We agree to disagree.
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I get what you are saying, but I also struggle to believe this transmission has hardware issues. Like I have said before, the old faithful 4l60e was a GM workhorse from 1984 to 2010 and has millions of reliable miles under it's belt. It's downfall was increased MPG requirements.

I get software being a culprit though. I own both a 2008 128i vert and a 2009 x3. Both have this 6l45 tranny. In neither have I had issues described in the sticky, but I have to admit the 2011 328i loaner that I have been driving for the last week (and put 1000 miles on) had faster and better shifts than either of my cars. Hardware is the same in all 3 cars.

I also admit that the 6l50(?) in my dads 11 GMC Sierra with a v8 shifts better than my x3. In addition my best friends 10 camero with our tranny has shifts more like the 328 loaner than either of my cars.

So there my 2 cents. We agree to disagree.
You have just proven my point even better. The hardware mated to all these cars are different and the software is used to adjust the differences. Some will have greater or lesser tolerance points.

With German engineering if things are even the most out of spec they don't work right. It's not so much the GM6 hardware I am debating it is its relationship to the other components that are not. Therefore, the software cannot compensate enough to withstand the differences.

Make sense now? Not trying to be disagreeable just convey the idea. I offered BMWNA to Black Box my car with any test gear they wanted and I would drive it and catalog when I thought the problem occurred and they could check any differences. They refused. They didn't say no, they got snotty and refused. At that point they agreed that they only way to resolve my dilemma was to get me a MT as they would not guarantee a new X3 with the GM6 would behave properly.

So that is my reasoning behind thinking it is both.
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Hey Gents,

I have an 05 E83 3.0 Auto Trans myself and just had my transmission light come on this week. It was shifting really rough (seemingly out of nowhere since it's been running better than usual the past few weeks) and then the light popped on. From what I've been reading, I'm going to give a transmission fluid flush a try before I have to shell out a million dollars I dont have just to get to work... Anyway, no success in coming up with a DIY or even a repair manual. Anyone have a copy or know of a reputable place that does? Called the dealer and checked chilton with no success.

Also, I just put on new pads and discs the same day the transmission decided to die. When I push on the breaks, the engine begins to sputter and revs up real high and becomes shakey... I have no idea why, maybe a leak in a vacuum hose or the master cylinder or maybe something as simple as needing more brake fluid?

I appreciate the help. I've worked on my Bimmers forever, but for some reasons, I can't seem to figure out these two on my own. Any help you guys can lend is MUCH appreciated.


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... It was shifting really rough (seemingly out of nowhere since it's been running better than usual the past few weeks) and then the light popped on.

Also, .... When I push on the breaks, the engine begins to sputter and revs up real high and becomes shakey... I have no idea why, maybe a leak in a vacuum hose or the master cylinder or maybe something as simple as needing more brake fluid?
Once the A/T warning light comes on it means you are in 'safe' mode, or default mode as BMW call it, with 'only a limited number of forward gears'.

Odd that it would start shifting rough suddenly - sort of suggests an electronic control problem, and it took a while for the warning light to come on.

Don't know for sure, but possibly some of the xDrive interventions are disabled too in A/T safe mode, even though the 4x4 light is not lit.

That would give the feeling of a very strange drive, especially when braking to a stop from slow speeds.

Can't see it would also effect engine behavior or revs, but who knows with the X3 electronics?

Don't know what could go wrong with a DIY pad and rotor replacement, other than pinching a brake line when bolting the caliper carrier back on.
With new pads in, your brake fluid level in the reservoir should be much higher than it was before.

There's been a few A/T drain and refill posts recently - might be a good place to start, and hope that clears up all the symptoms in one go.

But never discount the possibility that it is just the electronics, and could reset itself on the next cold start.
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