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Old 09-08-2011, 08:22 PM
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Dinan Stage 2 for 550i

Is anybody getting ready to do this upgrade? I've been planning on the Stage 1, but now that the Stage 2 is out I might go that route. Looks like they're even offering the discount again.

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Old 09-08-2011, 10:27 PM
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I think I may have to make the jump to stage 2. Stage 1 has been great so far, with the 15% discount the difference in price is acceptable. Might get it done tomorrow...hmmm

Per Dinan: "From a standing start (with the traction control fully disengaged) all it takes is the press of the throttle to the floor to get the tires spinning."

I can pretty much do this now without disengaging TC, and I have stickier rubber non runflats...

For those that make the jump straight to stage 2; definitely invest in better tires than OEM.

I am curious though on how 6hp and 7ft/lbs makes significant changes. Boost RPM parameters seem to be the same as stage 1.
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Old 09-09-2011, 12:31 AM
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Great. When my car arrives I will go straight to Stage 2. Where is this info on the discount?
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Old 09-09-2011, 03:43 AM
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Great. When my car arrives I will go straight to Stage 2. Where is this info on the discount?
There ya go - http://www.dinancars.com/specials/
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Old 09-09-2011, 04:15 AM
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For $500 more, you get 6 more hp & 7 more ftlb tq .... what kind of fool will pay for that ?
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Old 09-09-2011, 04:35 AM
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For $500 more, you get 6 more hp & 7 more ftlb tq .... what kind of fool will pay for that ?
If you read the description, Stage 2 changes the shape of the power curve giving you a lot more power at low rpms, which means more usable acceleration. Most S1 users have reported better power at medium and high revs but not so much at low revs. This is a no-brainer upgrade IMO.
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Old 09-09-2011, 04:38 AM
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For $500 more, you get 6 more hp & 7 more ftlb tq .... what kind of fool will pay for that ?
What sort of moron would call someone else a fool for spending $500 on this based on two numbers, without having any idea what the upgrade does to the power and torque curves, drivability, responsiveness and overall performance?
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Old 09-09-2011, 04:39 AM
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Does anyone think that it may be possible to buy this upgrade before my car arrives in the US to lock in the discount?
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Old 09-09-2011, 04:47 AM
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That would be the best $500 I would spend, so worth it!!!
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Old 09-09-2011, 04:54 AM
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This is disappointing. Seems to me like they didn't finish development on stage 1. Better drivability, better torque curve, a few more hp at peak without any additional hardware or fuel requirements?
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Old 09-09-2011, 07:56 AM
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This is disappointing. Seems to me like they didn't finish development on stage 1. Better drivability, better torque curve, a few more hp at peak without any additional hardware or fuel requirements?
Sounds more like an enhancement/update as opposed to vers. 2.0. Oh well, I'm sure (with the discount for us Stage 1 owners) it will prove to be worthwhile

While making the most sense to those without Stage 1 to go directly to Stage 2
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Old 09-09-2011, 08:02 AM
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this lines up perfectly with my scheduled maintence. off to motor works west right after!
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Old 09-09-2011, 10:02 AM
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Sounds more like an enhancement/update as opposed to vers. 2.0. Oh well, I'm sure (with the discount for us Stage 1 owners) it will prove to be worthwhile

While making the most sense to those without Stage 1 to go directly to Stage 2
I'm not going to harp on this too much, but when I bought Stage 1 I assumed that was Dinan's best shot at a tune with a combination of max safe power and drivability, given the stock hardware limitations and probably 91oct Cali fuel. Not that they would put in another 8 months of testing and development after I bought it and charge more money for a more properly developed flash.

Think about it - worst case scenario they release Stage 3 in a few months for $500 more that is again nothing but a software change with similar gains and make your Stage 2 obsolete...

IMO Stage 2 should incorporate some combination of breathing, cooling, or fuel upgrades along with a remap that supports them.
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Old 09-09-2011, 12:21 PM
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I suspect that Stage 2 is a prelude to the other stuff Dinan has in the works. I bet they have an intake and exhaust forth coming that will maximize the stage 2 gains.
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Old 09-09-2011, 12:51 PM
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I don't understand the whining here.

Everyone who bought Stage 1 was happy with it. This shouldn't change their happiness. At least they didn't make you wait another 10 months on the stock setup.

If you like the improved program for a higher price, their upgrade pricing is very fair. If you don't want to pay more don't.

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For all those who whine consider that Dinan didn't have the number of "test" vehicles a year ago when they released Stg 1. If you wanna play you gotta pay.

Spoke to my dealer who flashed an F10 yesterday with Stg 2, he reports the change in torque curve is considerable and the low end performance dramatically better than Stg 1.

Getting Stg 2 Sept 21st - will report back then
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Old 09-10-2011, 06:19 AM
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I did Stage 1 on mine about a week ago - the acceleration once it hit 2000 revs was monstrous - but off the line (unless you had it in sport mode) was lacking. There was this pause before the Dinan software appeared to kick in. I felt the upgrade was worth it, but the pause was frustrating. If I drove in sport mode, it wasn't as noticeable - but for $3K, I thought it wasn't quite the wow factor I was looking for. Once 2000 is hit, however, this thing opens up and you can feel the engine "breathing" in the extra air and attacking the road. The other cars become blurs as you fly past them and you are thrusted into a thrilling ride.

Literally, as I was paying for Stage 1, the BMW tech guy went to the Dinan web page and saw the 15% discount. He called Dinan to see if it applied to software upgrades - it did. At that time, we also learned that Stage 2 was coming out the following week and I would be charged only $500 for that upgrade, plus the 15% discount. With the discounts, it offset the total amount and made both upgrades cost as much as the original (actually, a bit less). So, I got the car upgraded to Stage 2 on Thursday. Was it worth it? In a word, YES. Off the line, this thing is a beast. I can beat just about any car that comes up against me. My tires haven't squealed yet because I haven't needed to drop the hammer off the line - plus I have all-wheel drive. In some respects, this feels like a 1.2 upgrade - but for $500 - that's about what I'd expect to pay for such a thing. It's still got a little pause if you're not going off the line and are in regular traffic and decide to drop the hammer. Perhaps that will be addressed in Stage 3. Regardless, I've got a badass MOFO car that I'd put up against just about everything out there that Dinan hasn't touched.

On a related note - the people at Dinan are amazingly helpful. They know their stuff inside out and are willing to visit with bozo's like me and answer all my silly questions while getting a kick out of the idea that their work can make a dingus like me get goosebumps when I get behind the wheel. Until a few weeks ago, I've never heard of Dinan - now, I can't get enough of this group. They are amazing and I can't wait to see what they do next. I'm hopeful they will release their Stage 1 for the 2011 535xi soon so my wife can get in on the fun. She used to have the 2008 535 xi twin-turbo which is now neutered in the 2011 model. She is clamoring to see how Dinan can help restore her faith in the BMW engine.

In closing, every time I've driven the car, I feel it begging to be unleashed - which is a thrill in itself. I will get speeding tickets with this monster - the question is - how many I can take before it wipes the seemingly permanent smile off my face that Dinan has given me. Long live Dinan!
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Old 09-10-2011, 09:06 AM
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So, I got the car upgraded to Stage 2 on Thursday. Was it worth it? In a word, YES. Off the line, this thing is a beast. I can beat just about any car that comes up against me. My tires haven't squealed yet because I haven't needed to drop the hammer off the line - plus I have all-wheel drive. In some respects, this feels like a 1.2 upgrade - but for $500 - that's about what I'd expect to pay for such a thing. It's still got a little pause if you're not going off the line and are in regular traffic and decide to drop the hammer. Perhaps that will be addressed in Stage 3. Regardless, I've got a badass MOFO car that I'd put up against just about everything out there that Dinan hasn't touched.

In closing, every time I've driven the car, I feel it begging to be unleashed - which is a thrill in itself. I will get speeding tickets with this monster - the question is - how many I can take before it wipes the seemingly permanent smile off my face that Dinan has given me. Long live Dinan!
Awesome. Exactly what I expected when I read the stage 2 specs.

Regarding the tickets - invest in the setup I have. Bel STIR-Plus custom installed radar dteector and Laser Interceptor Quad and am ticket free.
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Old 09-10-2011, 10:48 AM
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For $500 more, you get 6 more hp & 7 more ftlb tq .... what kind of fool will pay for that ?
Everyday a naturally aspirated BMW owners pays that much and more to upgrade for those kind of numbers
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I need some help guys.... - My 550ix only has about 200 miles on it. I haven't really noticed any "delay", turbo or otherwise, when I accelerate from a standing start. Are you saying that there is a delay upon acceleration caused by the Stage 1 upgrade that is mostly fixed by the stage 2 upgrade? If so, w/no upgrade will this "delay" manifest itself as the engine breaks in?

I have resisted the Stage 1 upgrade as I want to get the warranty upgrade on the car first, so there are no raised eyebrows, etc. from BMW. Does 2 make sense? I really have no desire to race this car, having gotten most of that out of my system in Spartanberg, SC last month at the advanced 2-day performance M school. Better performance is always nice, but my car already goes 0-60 in under 5 seconds, without breathing hard at all. Just wondering whether this is a "must do" and if so at which level?

Thanks for your help. P.S. - Also has the M-package, a/c seats, prem pkge, etc and an Escort 9500ci installed.

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Old 09-10-2011, 02:30 PM
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Does anyone think that it may be possible to buy this upgrade before my car arrives in the US to lock in the discount?
I would think so. Give them a call.

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Old 09-10-2011, 03:29 PM
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I need some help guys.... - My 550ix only has about 200 miles on it. I haven't really noticed any "delay", turbo or otherwise, when I accelerate from a standing start. Are you saying that there is a delay upon acceleration caused by the Stage 1 upgrade that is mostly fixed by the stage 2 upgrade? If so, w/no upgrade will this "delay" manifest itself as the engine breaks in?

I have resisted the Stage 1 upgrade as I want to get the warranty upgrade on the car first, so there are no raised eyebrows, etc. from BMW. Does 2 make sense? I really have no desire to race this car, having gotten most of that out of my system in Spartanberg, SC last month at the advanced 2-day performance M school. Better performance is always nice, but my car already goes 0-60 in under 5 seconds, without breathing hard at all. Just wondering whether this is a "must do" and if so at which level?

Thanks for your help. P.S. - Also has the M-package, a/c seats, prem pkge, etc and an Escort 9500ci installed.
I only have Stage 1 so far, so I can't speak from experience on Stage 2 yet. With Stage 1, Dinan really didn't do much of anything to modify the low rpm characteristics of the motor, so the plodding through stop-n-go traffic feels no different from stock. When you are above 3000rpm the motor feels completely different and the power is amazing. I'm unaware of any hesitation other than the auto tranny adapting to the lazy driving style of everyday traffic. I manually shift to a desired rpm before passing the 3 cars and the semi they are driving behind on a two lane road.

Also, BMW will probably find that you have a Dinan tune, and if they don't they are just as likely to overwrite it during a service visit, so you might be wasting your money on an extended warranty from BMW. A third party may not care, but BMW will void your engine warranty if they know about a Dinan tune. This is why Dinan has their own warranty.
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Just call the folks at Dinan. They are great people and will walk you through it. Besides, I'd hate to tell you something and then have you drop $3k and if something doesn't live up to your expectations you'll be all like "that BZATWORK" dude is a BMW a-hole and I'm going to find him and get my money back by harvesting and selling his organs.
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I only have Stage 1 so far, so I can't speak from experience on Stage 2 yet. With Stage 1, Dinan really didn't do much of anything to modify the low rpm characteristics of the motor, so the plodding through stop-n-go traffic feels no different from stock. When you are above 3000rpm the motor feels completely different and the power is amazing. I'm unaware of any hesitation other than the auto tranny adapting to the lazy driving style of everyday traffic. I manually shift to a desired rpm before passing the 3 cars and the semi they are driving behind on a two lane road.

Also, BMW will probably find that you have a Dinan tune, and if they don't they are just as likely to overwrite it during a service visit, so you might be wasting your money on an extended warranty from BMW. A third party may not care, but BMW will void your engine warranty if they know about a Dinan tune. This is why Dinan has their own warranty.
How does this warranty thing work on a leased car? I'm so confused..
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How does this warranty thing work on a leased car? I'm so confused..
That question has been asked a couple of times, but I'm not sure of the answer. I would suggest you ask your dealer.
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