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E82 / E88 1 Series (2008 - 2013)
BMWs throw back to the iconic 2002, with a renewed form and function. The smallest car in BMW's line up but still packs a punch. Available in coupe or convertible, powered by either an inline 6 in the 128 or the twin turbo rocket sled 135.

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Old 09-29-2011, 09:10 AM
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128, 328 or....?

Hello, new to this subforum though I purchased an X5D a few months ago and have been posting there.

The X5 is our first BMW and we like it a lot. I do sometimes find the steering at low speeds a bit heavy and still getting used to the 2nd gear starts (y I know, Sport mode, right?). Anyway, great car and a nice change from the older ML320 I traded in.

So we are getting ready to replace a 9 year old G35. We really like that car but its time is drawing to an end. With only 46k on the clock it is far from worn out, so it's mostly a 'want' thing. (the G may go to my younger dtr who is currently learning to drive on it, or we may trade it, haven't yet decided).

At various times, we have been drawn toward an MX5, a GTI, and even a Focus. And of course the 128i (with an outside chance of a 328i). Our time frame is anything from 6 months to maybe 2 years out.

My 22 y/o daughter has a 2009 Rabbit (same as Golf) and I think that is one great car, esp for the 'nearly new' price we paid for it (got it with just 5k on the clock). My wife says why get a GTI, it's the same car (er, except for the GTI part, I say). I sort of see her point though, as one of the payoffs of doing this is to have a 'different' car.

By a similar token, though of course less so, we already have a BMW, so why get another? BTW I will not buy MB, Audi, or any Japanese brand except Infiniti and possibly Subaru (and the aforementioned Miata). And Infiniti is out owing to the poor local dealer experience. Even considered the Genesis Coupe but that's a bit rough around the edges to me... we have reached the age where refinement does count, though fun to drive is perhaps a bit more important.

Considering a lot of variables, including ED as we may take a trip to Europe next summer anyway. But concerned about space on that trip (about 10-12 days) as there will be 4 of us. The girls are not large though, and if a 328 it would probably be a sedan. Money spent is important but not the only factor, and ED will mitigate it a bit (not spending on a rental and hopefully a worthwhile discount).

I know I'm all over the place with my choices but really, having just started the thought process I think that's ok. For me.

What I'm hoping to get from you guys is, if you've considered any of these other cars on my list and then chose the 1 series (or not), to read about your decision process. And any other comments, hoping they are gentle. :-)

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Old 09-29-2011, 11:53 AM
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I have had 4 adults in my 128i convertible but it is a bit tight. If you can drive it with the seat far enough forward for the back seat passengers legs, it can work well. The 328i has more space. The convertible of the 128i is also significantly more limited which may be an issue for ED. It is even more limited for the convertible (which is great fun). The 328i sedan is very close to the 128i in price. If you are thinking 128i to save money you need to review the actual difference. The 128i is more fun, at least to me, but the 328 is a better family car IMHO.

ED is 7% off if I remember right. Something like 10-11% off MSRP would be a good target price if I remember others targets (I bought my bimmer significantly off MSRP, in other words, and ED would be a further discount).

If you want a normally aspirated 6 and not a turbo 4 in your 128i or 328i you may need to buy it fairly soon. Turbo 4s are apparently the way of the future.

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Old 09-29-2011, 12:12 PM
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We went through some of the same thought process, although some of the criteria were different: I am tall, and getting on in years, so ease of entry was important. Our short list came down to the 128i coupe and the Volvo C30 coupe. Both have long doors for ease of entry; the Volvo has probably the best seats in the industry, but the BMW is more fun to drive. We got the BMW - no regrets. BTW,We got the 128i in Crimson Red - very hard to find!

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Old 09-29-2011, 05:07 PM
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The 1 series is an amazing car. I came from a Mini Cooper S to a 135. I was constantly disappointed with how big BMW coupes have gotten over the years, and when the ! series coupe came out I jumped all over it.

There is plenty of room for 4 adults in a 1 series, there is ample trunk space, and the car feels nimble and is easy to park. I know the 3 series is not mathematically that much bigger, but it does feel like a lot larger car.

My recommendation would be to go and drive one of each and sees what feels best.

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Old 09-30-2011, 07:37 AM
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Appreciate the comments, folks.

We did drive the cars about a month ago; unfortunately (or otherwise) they were back to back in this order:

528i
328i
335d
128i

The reason for that first one was that I had admired the new 5 series style since it came out and more or less lusted after it, and wanted to get it out of my system. I had read about it being un-BMW like, and wanted to see what that meant. Oh boy did I find out, and oh boy is it out of my system now. Thanks BMW for saving me the money.

What I really liked is the 335d, maybe partly due to being partial to the diesel, owning that same engine in the X5 already. That torque is addictive. Now I know we don't get that in a x28i, although in the 1, it was still fun to drive. Not to say the 328 wasn't, it was just a little heavier/slower, as expected. The diesel is currently available with a nice discount/rebate, but I think it will be gone (as a model) when I am ready to buy, with the intro of the new 3? I dunno.

I might have painted myself into a corner here. I don't want to buy a first-year car (new 3), nor am I a fan of buying the last-year car (outgoing 1?) unless a substantial discount is to be had, or unless its regarded as a classic with its successor being the object of ridicule. Which, reading the thread on the to-be-released 1 design, it seems to be! The problem is, what I see of the new 1, I like (hope I didn't instantly brand myself as sight-challenged).

One (sorta) new question. If ED were taken out of the equation, what might your responses be? Equivalently, is the value of ED (discount plus saving on car rental plus the experience itself) worth the extra one pays for a BMW (or Audi, MB) IF (big IF) the buyer sees a lesser-priced car as equivalent in terms of personal satisfaction delivery (I refer to either a decked out GTI or MX5, both around $30k to purchase) vs a lightly optioned 1 or 3 series. Of course they are not 'equivalent' cars, but they deliver other things that the 128 or 328 might not, for considerably lesser coin anyway.

I know, there are those who would pay for the Bimmer because it is a Bimmer, and I don't mean that in a reverse-snob sense. As I own one, I know and agree about the feel, the dealer experience, the warranty, the service (which VW also has albeit for 3 years), the prestige (yes it's worth something to me, just not sure how much yet).

Sorta by chance, I watched an old BBC Top Gear last night, where they reviewed the 1 (this was 2005 I believe, and it was a 5 door with the smaller, Euro engines). While liking the car for its feel and fun, they were all over it for costing too much, with Jeremy stabbing his finger on the Roundel and saying (THIS is what you're paying for!)

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Old 09-30-2011, 07:46 AM
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I considered buying a 328 sedan or a 328/128 coupe (our other car is a SUV too). The 328 sedan and 128 coupe are pretty close in price. The 328 coupe was a good deal more money, for not that many more features (at least the ones I cared for).

In the end, I was swayed by the Coral Red leather interior (liked that dash of color, inspired by the M cars I think) - and I could only have that in the coupes. And I kind of like the looks on the 1 - I like the fact that it has a more upright glass house and better visibility (vs. the 3 coupe)

However - in my very SUBJECTIVE opinion - the 3 does seem to have better steering feel. And 4 doors are of course more useful...
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Old 09-30-2011, 12:52 PM
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If I chose an AT BMW, I'd beeline towards my first diesel test drive. Fuel mileage does matter, at least somewhat, to me. I've driven the 128i MT, 135i AT, 135 MT, 328i MT, 328i AT, 335i MT (besides a bunch of other BMW models). Oh for the 5ers I've driven at least the E60 528i AT and E39 540i MT.

My first concern is the space inside the 1er for an extended Euro trip. Now, at least Western Europe is pretty small geographically compared to the US, and if it's just Germany and adjacent countries, the trips won't be toooooo long. I would take your daughter(s) to the dealership with you, and have her sit behind you in it. If just by yourself, do as I did: Sit in front, get it perfect for you. Then leave it at that setting, get in the back seat, and see how it would feel if you were driving you around. The 1er is undoubtedly smaller than the 3er, and as a coupe owner, I would also prefer the sedan for a family road trip.

I also prefer the 3er's steering, but that 1er has got that fun tossable feeling. I was pretty close to buying a 135i at certain points in time myself.

I must admit I am not a fan of the AT in the cars you listed (outside of the D which I haven't tried). Others are fine with them. The only person that matters of course is you.

Upright glass house means more chances for damage. I think I read somewhere that one of the worst was the Toyota FJ for this issue, precisely because of how vertical the glass was. Hm, a quick google shows some people suspecting poorer glass. Well I'm sure the steep angle doesn't help, and BMW is renowned for soft glass, and take that how you will. A paint blend specialist recently advised me to get windshield insurance for something very cheap with my ins, he guessed $5.

Believe it or not, the 3 coupe is a tiny bit longer than the sedan. The ingress/egress is more difficult however.
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Old 09-30-2011, 05:01 PM
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Hello, new to this subforum though I purchased an X5D a few months ago and have been posting there.

The X5 is our first BMW and we like it a lot. I do sometimes find the steering at low speeds a bit heavy and still getting used to the 2nd gear starts (y I know, Sport mode, right?). Anyway, great car and a nice change from the older ML320 I traded in.

So we are getting ready to replace a 9 year old G35. We really like that car but its time is drawing to an end. With only 46k on the clock it is far from worn out, so it's mostly a 'want' thing. (the G may go to my younger dtr who is currently learning to drive on it, or we may trade it, haven't yet decided).

At various times, we have been drawn toward an MX5, a GTI, and even a Focus. And of course the 128i (with an outside chance of a 328i). Our time frame is anything from 6 months to maybe 2 years out.

My 22 y/o daughter has a 2009 Rabbit (same as Golf) and I think that is one great car, esp for the 'nearly new' price we paid for it (got it with just 5k on the clock). My wife says why get a GTI, it's the same car (er, except for the GTI part, I say). I sort of see her point though, as one of the payoffs of doing this is to have a 'different' car.

By a similar token, though of course less so, we already have a BMW, so why get another? BTW I will not buy MB, Audi, or any Japanese brand except Infiniti and possibly Subaru (and the aforementioned Miata). And Infiniti is out owing to the poor local dealer experience. Even considered the Genesis Coupe but that's a bit rough around the edges to me... we have reached the age where refinement does count, though fun to drive is perhaps a bit more important.

Considering a lot of variables, including ED as we may take a trip to Europe next summer anyway. But concerned about space on that trip (about 10-12 days) as there will be 4 of us. The girls are not large though, and if a 328 it would probably be a sedan. Money spent is important but not the only factor, and ED will mitigate it a bit (not spending on a rental and hopefully a worthwhile discount).

I know I'm all over the place with my choices but really, having just started the thought process I think that's ok. For me.

What I'm hoping to get from you guys is, if you've considered any of these other cars on my list and then chose the 1 series (or not), to read about your decision process. And any other comments, hoping they are gentle. :-)
Although the 1, 3, and 5 are all BMWs, they have very different priorities. Only the buyer can decide what features are important to him or her. They are all excellent vehicles, but the buyer needs to decide what is important to him or her.
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Old 10-02-2011, 03:19 AM
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Again, appreciate the input. So, following advice, we did go and take another look. Unfortunately there were no AT 1ers to drive and I ended up embarrassing myself with a stick, having not touched one for 20+ years. But at least I didn't burn the clutch.

As some have noted, the 3 seemed to have better steering. How a car SHOULD feel, was the thought that went through my head. And the 1... because of so much of my attention going to that stick, I did not do it full justice in other departments, but still came away thinking this is going to work fine.

My wife and daughter sat in the back seats and they said they would be fine even over say 1500 miles of European roads in either car (but not the convertible 1, which we tried but didn't drive). Now whether they stick to that story we will see!

Ultimately the 3, while super nice in some areas, gave off that 'aged' feel when compared to the 1. (note emphasis; it is still much nicer than most of its non-BMW competition).

I think I will move in the direction of a 1 ED. Now I gotta figure out if (a) the 35 engine is worth the extra $$ over the 28 and (b) if I should swing the extra. While I can do so, it is rather an extension of the original budget, which was $30k. OTOH, a low-optioned 128 will fit there nicely.

Any more ideas please keep them coming. One quick question re ED: I understand one can do this from any dealer in the US, correct? (I plan to also do PCD). Am going to hang out in the ED forum for a bit to see what I can find out about scoring the best deal, but if anyone here has done just that, please feel free to PM.
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If your budget is $30K then you'd probably be better off with the 128i. While it's definitely not as powerful a the 135i, you're probably going to be happier with it every month when you make that car payment On the other hand, I have always been disappointed with the x28 automatics; they're just nowhere near as good as their x35 brethren. Particularly since the current AT of choice in the 135 is the DCT which is a really awesome piece of kit.

It really depends what you're going for though. Personally I would go ahead and get the 135i but leave it basically a stripper (few options). Having said that, I'm a bit of a speed freak and already plan to add a JB4 to my car in the first two weeks of ownership

Even with ED discounts and so forth though, you'd be lucky to get it much below about $38K. Still, if you're willing to go that extra mile then I would say go for it. If I were to buy a 128i I would at a minimum option in the Sport Package as that adds much better front seats to the mix. That will still keep you within spitting distance of the $30K budget and get you a damned nice car. For the record, the 135i includes the sport package by default.

And yes, with ED and PCD combined you can easily do this using any dealer in the country. Board sponsors are usually the best bet; Greg Poland @ Pacific BMW, Adrian Avila @ South Atlanta or Irv Robinson @ Motorwerks are usually considered the best to deal with. For a first ED I'd probably go with Adrian, though I'm currently working my deal through Irv and he's been awesome.
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Old 10-03-2011, 06:43 AM
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Wow, if you're debating between the 5, 3, and 1 series, you are still in your research phase of car buying. I wouldn't even think about prices at this time. You need to really debate on whether you are going to go for the "Cool" "Slick" "Sporty" feel of the 1 Series, the "Comfortable" "Refined" "Sedan" you will get from the 3 series, or the "Roomy" "Larger" "Luxury" that you will get from the 5 series. After coming off of a Lancer Ralliart I will say I miss having 4 doors, and the 128i would have been about the same power. But I hardly used the 4 doors, I maybe had passengers in my car less than 10 times over the 3 years I owned it. In my opinion, the 3 series would be a good middle ground between the two. I really don't see why you would go with a 5 series unless you are older and don't really don't mind driving it around. The 1 and 3 series still gives you the smaller car for both performance and handling yet small enough to enjoy.

Have you thought about slightly used? I have seen some fairly good looking 135i in our area (Washington D.C) with lower than 30,000 miles for $30,000 or less. Cars with that many miles are still being broke in and some still have warranties on them! Just be careful to research the fuel pumps on anything older than 2010...I think.

Another thing you may want to use is Truecar.com. I just bought my 135i almost fully loaded for $45,000, almost $4,500 off MSRP, that may drop a few cars low enough for you to consider. If you have good/great credit, don't be afraid to tell the dealership what kind of rate you're looking for. I went in with great credit when I bought my 135i and told them "I want 2.9% on 72 months or I walk" and they came back with 2 banks that offered that, one that offered 2.5% for 60 and even a 3.5% 75. Just be careful you don't get wrapped up in the lower payments buy getting 84 months and maybe a higher interest rate and being stuck in the vehicle upside down for the length of the loan!
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Old 10-03-2011, 10:04 AM
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thumper, yes that DCT does have me salivating a bit. Just have to think about the $$ a bit now. Speaking of which, can anyone point me to a link which describes very well the user experience difference between a DCT and a Tiptronic? What I can gather so far is you can paddle-shift very efficiently with crisp shifts, but what more?

beemermeup, per my other posts above I am NOT considering a 5. One quick test drive in it disabused me of that notion over a month ago. The recent (second) drive in the 328 is making me veer away from that too. Although a nice car, it is in its last year, which means (a) either get the 'old' design or (b) take my chances with a first-year car. I have heard that most mfgs and BMW in particular send a car out in its first year with a fair share of design defects (not intentional of course, but part of the getting it to market on time thing). Subsequent years' models can result in greater reliability, improved design and occasionally better/more features. I like the look of the 1 series much better too, and it suits the purpose for which I will be buying it.

And thanks for the used suggestion. I do like buying a very slightly used car and letting someone else take the depre hit. Unfortunately, (a) my definition of slightly used is 10k miles or less and (b) cars like that in today's climate aren't priced that much lower than their new counterparts. This is my opinion of course, and the fact that the used car market commands these numbers is proof enough that others think it's worth the small(ish) discounts. Occasionally though, one comes across a killer deal, which is mostly a matter of luck.
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Old 10-03-2011, 10:50 AM
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thumper, yes that DCT does have me salivating a bit. Just have to think about the $$ a bit now. Speaking of which, can anyone point me to a link which describes very well the user experience difference between a DCT and a Tiptronic? What I can gather so far is you can paddle-shift very efficiently with crisp shifts, but what more?

beemermeup, per my other posts above I am NOT considering a 5. One quick test drive in it disabused me of that notion over a month ago. The recent (second) drive in the 328 is making me veer away from that too. Although a nice car, it is in its last year, which means (a) either get the 'old' design or (b) take my chances with a first-year car. I have heard that most mfgs and BMW in particular send a car out in its first year with a fair share of design defects (not intentional of course, but part of the getting it to market on time thing). Subsequent years' models can result in greater reliability, improved design and occasionally better/more features. I like the look of the 1 series much better too, and it suits the purpose for which I will be buying it.

And thanks for the used suggestion. I do like buying a very slightly used car and letting someone else take the depre hit. Unfortunately, (a) my definition of slightly used is 10k miles or less and (b) cars like that in today's climate aren't priced that much lower than their new counterparts. This is my opinion of course, and the fact that the used car market commands these numbers is proof enough that others think it's worth the small(ish) discounts. Occasionally though, one comes across a killer deal, which is mostly a matter of luck.
I apologize, reading your posts this morning before my coffee doesn't work out well.

My previous and current experience with paddle shifters and Tiptronic has been a pleasure honestly. My 2009 Lancer Ralliart had mounted paddle shifters and due to my wife can't drive a manual, we opted to get the paddle shifters again. The 135i has them steering wheel mounted which is supposed to be better for track or more aggressive driving due to you don't have to move your hands to reach the paddles (The lancer had them mounted so when you were on a corner you had to move your hand to reach them). The shifting is VERY smooth, of course the DCT is a complex and procise transmission. I believe with the Lancer or most DCTs, I was explained that the odd and even gears are on seperate clutches so instead of having to wait for the car to engage each gear, your gears are already engaged thus providing quicker and smoother transition to each gear!

Tiptronic is just another option you have for switching the gears. The shifter in which you select Reverse, Nutural, Drive...etc, you are able to slide that to the right or left to engage the Tiptronic. You are able to usually push back or forward to switch between the gears. A lot of people like this due to it gives you the actual feel of a manual and being able to use the shifter for leverage during a turn.

You are also starting to see automatics becoming faster than manuals due to these transmissions and options. Sure you get a lot of crap for owning a automatic coupe or sports car, but when you are able to cross that line a 1/10th of a second quicker!....

Tiptronic
http://www.ehow.com/how-does_5007792...ion-work_.html

Tiptronic
http://wikicars.org/en/Tiptronic

Paddle Shifters
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-au...c_transmission

Paddle Shifters
http://videos.howstuffworks.com/webr...ters-video.htm

DCT
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/dual-c...ansmission.htm
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Old 10-03-2011, 12:02 PM
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thumper, yes that DCT does have me salivating a bit. Just have to think about the $$ a bit now. Speaking of which, can anyone point me to a link which describes very well the user experience difference between a DCT and a Tiptronic? What I can gather so far is you can paddle-shift very efficiently with crisp shifts, but what more?

beemermeup, per my other posts above I am NOT considering a 5. One quick test drive in it disabused me of that notion over a month ago. The recent (second) drive in the 328 is making me veer away from that too. Although a nice car, it is in its last year, which means (a) either get the 'old' design or (b) take my chances with a first-year car. I have heard that most mfgs and BMW in particular send a car out in its first year with a fair share of design defects (not intentional of course, but part of the getting it to market on time thing). Subsequent years' models can result in greater reliability, improved design and occasionally better/more features. I like the look of the 1 series much better too, and it suits the purpose for which I will be buying it.

And thanks for the used suggestion. I do like buying a very slightly used car and letting someone else take the depre hit. Unfortunately, (a) my definition of slightly used is 10k miles or less and (b) cars like that in today's climate aren't priced that much lower than their new counterparts. This is my opinion of course, and the fact that the used car market commands these numbers is proof enough that others think it's worth the small(ish) discounts. Occasionally though, one comes across a killer deal, which is mostly a matter of luck.
The Step is still an "automatic" (clutchless), but you get more say in deciding when an upshift of downshift might occur. A DCT is the fastest shifting thing there is, two clutches. The main downside, to me, is what the cost might be to repair/replace such a complex mechanism. An MT has excellent longevity, and this is important to someone like me who will keep his car past the decade mark (and that's after I bought it "lightly used", or slightly under 14k miles; I likely could not afford an E92 335i as new). My handicapped friend has the DCT in his leased Z4 sDrive 35is, it's pretty cool. It's only a 2 yr lease. But then I can't say that a DCT has poor longevity either; they simply haven't been around long enough in consumer street legal cars, at least with BMW (Gertrag).

My personal vote now, pending further discussion, is a MT 128i, sport, and a CDV delete mod (lots of threads, and sometimes with a bit of controversy, but this is my vote nevertheless). Should provide lots of fun. edit: or the 335d

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My personal vote now, pending further discussion, is a MT 128i, sport, and a CDV delete mod (lots of threads, and sometimes with a bit of controversy, but this is my vote nevertheless). Should provide lots of fun. edit: or the 335d
Thanks. My contribution to the 'further discussion' part is that I am all but decided on a 128i, sport, but with auto. My dear wife simply refuses to drive a stick, despite having learned on one many years ago.

I am also going to consider/keep an eye out for a gently used one matching or closely matching this description. The ED I would like to do has low chances of happening due to work and family things, so I need a backup plan. If I find a nice deal on a 10 or 11 car I think I may jump.

Doing my pricing research now... I know members here like to hear that resale remains high but I'd like to know what y'all think of a 2010, leather, Auto, Sport, heated seat car with under 10k miles, 2010 model...what's a nice price for this? Does $30k sound a bit high?
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Old 10-07-2011, 01:58 PM
Ilovemycar Ilovemycar is offline
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My guess* is that is a fair price for that car, but you should look up the usual resources for what the estimated ballpark value right now might be, then there is probably variation with where you might be geographically, and finally and most importantly, does the car beg you to take her away?

I myself hunted for a long time, and when I saw the one, I went over my budget that very day. It just happens, I tells ya!

So this car will be "her" car? Or you share one car? Or is it your car?
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Old 10-07-2011, 09:28 PM
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So this car will be "her" car? Or you share one car? Or is it your car?
Ha ha, we have what may be an unusual arrangement, in that we have no arrangement. We share both cars, depending on mood, utility, weather and whether the neighbor's dog is barking. So whoever leaves the house first calls dibs, actually doesn't even have to call... just drive away.
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Old 10-07-2011, 09:31 PM
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A question: is it any cause for concern that there are '10 and '11 used 1s on dealer's lots, at least 3-5 of them, depending? I mean, I haven't seen much to indicate this car is unreliable or problematic in any way. Not having checked the used market for any car in a while, I don't know if this is the usual state of affairs.
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Old 10-08-2011, 10:38 AM
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I see about its use, that's nice. I cannot speculate on why there are 3-5 lightly used cars in the lot. I am one of those who doesn't think CPO is all that, FWIW. It's sort of amazing what can pass for CPO sometimes, I think there might recently have been one that was in an accident with a horrible repaint?

Broaden your search, when you find a good candidate, see if you can run a PPI for a modest sum, for peace of mind. There is a frequent contributor here who IIRC split the PPI cost with the buyer when he sold his M3.

I probably collected maybe double digit dealer cards over many visits, over a long time, to multiple dealerships. I did not end up buying from a BMW dealership, let alone CPO.

Anyway there are always used cars. Bad economy, have a baby on the way, the thing is just too small, etc. I have a friend who (two cars ago) had an S2K for a while, and he wanted it in yellow. He found a steal on a very lightly used one finally. The story is that the original owner(s), a couple, flew out to wherever to pick it up, and took a long road trip to bring the baby home. By the end of that road trip they were already convinced it was not for them, and promptly sold it! (edit: I think they traded it in, not sold it, or something like that.)

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Old 10-08-2011, 12:26 PM
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The 2008 and 2009 had the mid-level BMW audio system as their base system while the later models (including the 2010 I think) have the world's lowest level system. I haven't heard it but the specifications are not encouraging nor is the feedback. I think mine is fine - I have a 2009 128i vert. My only options were Sport (a must for the seats IMHO) and walnut trim. I added a Garmin nuvi 885t on the bracket sold to install the Garmin Portable Pro system. In addition to the GPS, this gives me bluetooth phone and MP3 playback. Only cost around $300 - much cheaper than the iDrive and less than half the price with dealer installation/programming for the Portable Pro. Not as nice but suits me fine.

If you get a new one, you should at least do Performance Center delivery if you possibly can. I did and my son and I enjoyed it a lot. We live nearby so it is a no-brainer for us. It doesn't cost anything except your transportation to get there. Hotel and meals are on BMW.

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Old 10-17-2011, 10:11 AM
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New to this site and able to offer comment having just bought an 128 vert using ED and drove europe for 3 weeks...Strikingly similar decision process having replaced a 10 year old Miata while retaining our 8 year old X 5. ED is a must at least once in every BMW owners life ( Like Mecca ?)
Back seat for two medium adults and Comfort access for electrically sliding seats for access worked well for four of us driving 1-2 hours during the middle week on the Cote D'Azur. Rest of the trip just the wife and I... Trunk takes 1 full and 1 smaller luggage cases plus a couple of carry on handbags tucked to the sides . We live in Canada so this is planned as a summer car with the X5 handling winter and loads.
Same engine in both cars, 230 hp is plenty and only 0.3 secs between the 128 and 135 made me stay richer by close to $ 5,000.
I am expecting the 2012 to be the last model with the big six too.
I believe the six production is tied to a union agreement on quantity or timing,which is why they are stalling bringing their fours to North America.
I checked the specs between the 2001 325 and 328 and this car...Surprise, almost exactly the same size, maybe 4 inches shorter , but heavier by 300+/- lbs, but 55 hp more than the 325...
Don't forget to order the alarm system, we did and that is our only regret...Can it be activated by the dealer after market?
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