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The new chapter in the highly successful story of the BMW 5 Series Sedan (F10) and wagon (F11)

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Old 09-30-2011, 06:51 AM
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  • Based on F10 535i
  • Total output of 335hp: 300hp inline six engine (N55) -- 55hp electric motor
  • Maximum torque: 330lb-ft (300 lb-ft from the N55 -- 155lb-ft from the electric motor)
  • Lithiun-ion battery housed in the trunk
  • Coasting (engine switched off and decoupled) possible at speeds of up to 100mph
  • All-electric mode available up to 37mph
  • Eight-speed automatic
  • 0-60mp: 5.7 seconds
  • Fuel consumption (combined EU cycle best/worst) 6.4/7.0 l per 100km (equals 36.8/33.6 mpg)
  • Available from March 2012 on

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BMW PRESS RELEASE
Full Hybrid Power comes to the 5 Series Sedan

Woodcliff Lake, NJ - September 29, 2011... BMW today announced the introduction of its newest hybrid, the BMW ActiveHybrid 5. Based on the BMW 535i Sedan, the ActiveHybrid 5 brings together BMW's 3.0-liter TwinPower Turbo inline six-cylinder engine, an electric drive system and an eight-speed automatic transmission for the first time. The latest generation of BMW ActiveHybrid technology also adds precisely controlled energy management to the mix. All of which gives the BMW ActiveHybrid 5 an exceptional balance of performance and fuel economy for a benchmark performance/luxury sedan. Its drive system generates combined output of 335 hp (DIN), allows the car to be driven on electric power alone up to 37 mph (60 km/h), and accelerates the BMW ActiveHybrid 5 from 0 to 60 mph in 5.7 seconds (preliminary). The BMW ActiveHybrid 5 will arrive in US showrooms in March 2012.

The 300 hp inline six with BMW TwinPower Turbo technology in the BMW ActiveHybrid 5 is the same engine renowned for its free-revving capability, pulling power and efficiency in the BMW 535i. The electric motor develops 55 hp and is supplied with energy by a high-performance lithium-ion battery housed in the trunk.

A harmonious blend of power from the two drive systems ensures that the BMW ActiveHybrid 5 boasts not only the sportiest performance in its market segment but also a double-digit percentage improvement in fuel economy over the BMW 535i based on preliminary results. Its full-hybrid drive system enables driving on purely electric power which means emission-free driving in urban conditions.

In order to fully exploit the potential of the BMW ActiveHybrid technology, the power electronics in the BMW ActiveHybrid 5 use a host of technologies to ensure the drive system runs at peak efficiency. The high-performance lithium-ion battery is charged when the car is coasting or braking. The electric motor acts as a generator feeding energy into the high-voltage battery. By contrast, under acceleration the electric motor takes on a boost function. Here, it assists the inline six by generating an extra burst of power, lending the sedan's sporty driving character a noticeably sharper edge.

Integrated into the standard Driving Dynamics Control is an ECO PRO mode. It provides a relaxed and fuel-efficient driving style by tailoring the driving systems for maximum efficiency, including making more frequent use of all-electric mode. In ECO PRO mode, the combustion engine can be switched off and fully decoupled while coasting at speeds of up to 100 mph (160 km/h). This coasting mode combines comfortable driving with optimum utilisation of the kinetic energy already generated. To avoid periods with the engine running at idle at traffic lights or in stop-and-go traffic, for example the BMW ActiveHybrid 5 is equipped with a hybrid start-stop function. Plus, the power electronics in the BMW ActiveHybrid 5 are linked up with the standard navigation system. This allows proactive analysis of driving conditions based on the selected route. This enables the drive components to be primed to deliver maximum efficiency (the effect may vary according to the quality of the available navigation data). All the hybrid-specific components of the drive technology and energy management systems have been developed specially for use in the BMW ActiveHybrid 5.

Innovative combination: award-winning six-cylinder in-line engine, newly developed electric drive system.
This is the first time that a BMW inline six has been mated to a BMW ActiveHybrid system. The 3.0-liter engine, which develops 300 hp and peak torque of 300 lb-ft, has won the international Engine of the Year Award two years running. The BMW TwinPower Turbo technology of the six-cylinder engine combines a twin-scroll turbocharger, High Precision Direct Injection, Double VANOS variable valve timing and VALVETRONIC intake control.

The synchronous electric motor of the BMW ActiveHybrid 5 is integrated into the housing of the eight-speed automatic transmission, saving space. The interplay between the electric motor and gearbox is controlled by a clutch. The motor's operating temperature is regulated by the combustion engine's cooling system. The electric drive system develops 55 hp and makes 155 lb-ft of torque available from rest. The motor is supplied with energy by a high-performance lithium-ion battery, specially developed for the BMW ActiveHybrid 5. The high-voltage battery is encased in a special high-strength housing and positioned between the wheel arches in the trunk, providing it with optimum protection. It consists of 96 cells, has its own cooling system and offers usable energy capacity of 675 Wh.

The BMW ActiveHybrid 5 has both a conventional 14-volt power supply and a high-voltage supply with an operating voltage of 317 volts. They are linked by a voltage transformer which ensures that maximum electric energy can be used to enhance driving dynamics and comfort in any operating phase. Like the electric motor, the air conditioning compressor is also fed with power from the lithium-ion battery exclusively via the high-voltage supply. This ensures a pleasant interior climate, even when the combustion engine is switched off i.e. when the car is at a standstill, operating purely on electric power or in coasting mode. In addition, the stationary climate control function can be used to cool the interior before the engine is started.

Intelligently controlled hybrid technology: unprecedented precision for maximum efficiency.
The BMW ActiveHybrid 5 can operate in all-electric mode up to a speed of 37 mph (60 km/h), for zero emissions in town. The lithium-ion high-voltage battery can store sufficient energy to give an all-electric driving range of up to approximately 2.5 miles (4 km) at an average speed of 22 mph (35 km/h).

The internal combustion engine is only started when the driver requires more power: it is then engaged automatically. The electric motor provides a "boost" function to supplement the engine when accelerating. Maximum combined power is 335 hp (DIN), with maximum torque of 330 lb-ft. Under combined internal combustion/electric power, the BMW ActiveHybrid 5 delivers a 0 to 60 mph in 5.7 seconds (preliminary).

Hybrid-specific Auto Start-Stop function and coasting mode.
The specially designed Hybrid Auto Start-Stop function provides seamless operation when the vehicle is stopped in traffic after the internal combustion engine is shut-off, the automatic climate control continues to run off the lithium-ion battery. When the driver releases the brake, the vehicle will restart on either the electric motor alone or the electric motor and the inline six, depending on the high-voltage battery's current charge level and on how much power the driver wants.

Another innovation being pioneered in the BMW ActiveHybrid 5 is the coasting mode. It further improves efficiency by shutting the internal combustion engine down not only when the vehicle is stationary, or when driving in town, but also while coasting at higher speeds. In the BMW ActiveHybrid 5, this coasting mode is available at any speed up to 100 mph (160 km/h). Coasting mode switches off the internal combustion engine and disconnects it from the drive shaft. From this point on, the BMW ActiveHybrid 5 continues moving soundlessly, with zero emissions and with no engine braking effect. In coasting mode, as with all-electric mode for urban driving, all safety and comfort functions remain fully operational.


Intelligent energy management reads the road ahead.
The advanced power electronics coordinate the operation of the internal combustion engine and electric motor proactively based on the selected driving route for even more efficient energy management in the BMW ActiveHybrid 5. The power electronics are integrated with the standard navigation system, which means they can access and analyze data indicating changes in certain road conditions based on the route ahead, or driver requirements. From this analysis, all powertrain systems and the on-board electronics are managed appropriately so that energy can be used as needed or stored in preparation for what is coming up in order to make the most efficient possible use of the available energy.

Factors that may cause a change in powertrain operating strategy include the topography of the route and speed limits. For example, if the selected route indicates that a hilly stretch is coming up soon, the BMW ActiveHybrid 5 can invest all the high-voltage battery's electrical energy in providing supplementary driving power for the up-hill without concern about depleting the battery, knowing that the battery will be recharged "at no cost" during the subsequent descent. On longer downhill sections the electric motor's generator function can be enlisted to recharge the high-voltage battery with no loss of speed. The operating strategy can also be managed so as to ensure that the high-voltage battery is as fully charged as possible when nearing the end of the journey, thereby increasing the potential electric driving range in anticipation of lower driving speeds.

The operating status of the powertrain components is shown in displays, unique to the ActiveHybrid 5, in the instrument cluster and in the Control Display. As well as the energy flow and energy recuperation display, these include an additional gauge next to the tachometer which shows the boost effect being provided by the electric motor during acceleration. A display in the iDrive interface provides a variety of information for example on the battery's current charge level and the power-sharing between the internal combustion engine and the electric motor during the course of a journey.

State-of-the-art hybrid technology, typical BMW 5 Series: highest standards of driving dynamics, safety and comfort.
The chassis specifications of the BMW ActiveHybrid 5 are pure BMW 5 Series. They include double-wishbone front and integral rear suspensions, Servotronic speed-sensitive power steering, a high-performance brake system and 18-inch alloy wheels. Dynamic Damper Control, featuring electronically controlled shock absorbers, is available as an option. The Dynamic Stability Control system, which stabilizes the vehicle by individually applying the brakes and reducing engine power, also incorporates functions such as Dynamic Traction Control, the Anti-lock Braking System, Cornering Brake Control, Dynamic Brake Control, Brake Assist, Brake Fade Compensation, Brake Drying and Start-Off Assistant.

The hybrid-specific safety features, which protect the high-voltage lithium-ion battery and the power electronics, are integrated into the BMW 5 Series' existing active and passive safety systems. In a collision, high-strength structural components and large deformation zones help to keep impact forces away from the passenger cell and also from the hybrid drive components. Other standard safety systems on the BMW ActiveHybrid 5 include front and side airbags, side curtain head airbags for front and rear passengers, three-point inertia-reel belts on all seats, belt force limiters and belt latch tensioners on the front seats and ISOFIX child seat attachments in the rear. BMW Assist includes enhanced Automatic Collision Notification. In the event of a collision severe enough to cause an airbag to deploy, eACN immediately calls the emergency call center from the car's embedded phone. It not only transmits the car's location but also an assessment of the risk of severe injury to the people inside, based on a ground-breaking injury assessment algorithm. This assessment is provided to first responders before they even arrive at the scene.

In the BMW ActiveHybrid 5 the standard Driving Dynamics Control switch offers not only Sport+, Sport and Comfort set-ups (as well as Comfort+ mode if the optional Dynamic Damper Control is specified), but also the ECO PRO mode. As an alternative to the standard 8-speed automatic transmission, an 8-speed sport automatic with faster shift times is available.

A number of BMW ConnectedDrive features are available for the BMW ActiveHybrid 5 including Park Distance Control, a rear-view camera, Surround View, High-Beam Assistant, Parking Assistant, Active Blind Spot Detection, Lane Departure Warning, BMW Night Vision with pedestrian recognition and Head-Up Display. Innovative technologies also allow in-car integration of smartphones and music players. The BMW Apps option offers unprecedented integration of the Apple iPhone.

To further enhance comfort and individuality, the standard 4-zone automatic climate control and Navigation System can be supplemented by options such as active seats, front ventilated seats, Comfort Access, the Smart Opener for the trunk, and high-end audio and rear entertainment systems.

BMW ActiveHybrid 5: The only hybrid that is also a BMW 5 Series
The BMW ActiveHybrid 5 features newly developed hybrid components that are combined with a BMW TwinPower Turbo inline six for the first time, and innovative functions for improved efficiency as well as driving enjoyment. At the same time it broaches yet another market segment, taking BMW's hybrid development work another step forward.

The BMW ActiveHybrid 5 arrives at US BMW centers in March 2012.
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Does anyone know if BMW has their own hybrid tech or are they licensing Toyota's like Mercedes is?
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Wow....love the color! Specs look good, but with that electric engine, the whole revving of the BMW engine, the heart and soul of what makes a car a BMW is going by the wayside... No, thank you.
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Well for those that want a normally aspirated inline 6 this is it.
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Well for those that want a normally aspirated inline 6 this is it.
The specs say N55 motor, so I believe it has a blower. Considering BMW's penchant for using the consumer as part of the R&D process. I think I would pass or at least wait a generation till they debug this thing.
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Maybe one day, but it needs time for them to work the bugs out. I don't think I want to be on the bleeding edge with this one.
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As with any hybrid, unless the followed questions are well answered, I wouldn't consider any...

1/How long does the Lithium battery last before it should be replaced?
2/How much does the replacement cost?
3/How long do i plan to keep the car?
4/What does the warranty cover in terms of the battery?
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There are imo two good reasons for hybrids and electrical cars:

1. To save fuel in fleet vehicles ( rentals, taxis, delivery companies, realtors, movers etc ) so that gear heads now and in the future can continue to drive powerful gas guzzlers.
2. To make the worlds largest cities cleaner and less noisy.

None apply to me so no, I will not be getting one.
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All these complexity for no gain in performance and only +6MPG?
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Nice car...I am just looking for a little Friday entertainment...some is going to make a comment they care about the environement and then a tree hugger is going to come in and we can all sit back and have a good laugh...like it or not, that is where this thread is going

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Maybe one day, but it needs time for them to work the bugs out. I don't think I want to be on the bleeding edge with this one.
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I really like the use of the navigation info in determining the best use of the battery power. Pretty clever and something unique to BMW (I think).
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It's slower than I expected. The Infiniti M35h does 0-60 in around 5.0 seconds. This is quite a bit more - about the same as Lexus.
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It sure looks impressive....personally I would rather want one of the higher power diesels.
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This is going to end up just like the X6 hybrid. No one will buy it. BMW, **** the hybrid. Bring us the diesel. I'd love the tri turbo diesel.
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Dumb move.
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It like Newegg selling knife sets... well point is... i personally feel BMW is not meant for hybrids or saving fuel or what ever it is ... BMW represents pure joy of driving.
Isn't it?
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Dumb move.
It's a smart move and I believe BMW is doing it because of us here in the US where we rather buy a Hybrid than a clean diesel - they need to compete in our market and the Hybrid is a mandatory thing, Porsche is doing it too.

I do think that Hybrids in general are a waste of our resources and research hours that we could be spending developing other technologies. All the money that has been spent developing Hybrid technologies could have been used somewhere else - in this case, the gas savings achieved with Hybrid vehicles do not justify the money/effort spent in their development.

No, I would not buy a Hybrid but I would buy a clean diesel, now . . those make sense to me
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I agree, not a stupid move at all. Even though diesel is better, IMO, that's not public perception and this will sell much better than a 535d would.

Given the choice, I'd take the 535d 11 times out of 10. But I know that I'm in the minority compared to the real world population.
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Without information on the economics its like a new government program ...... talking about the benefits but at what cost?

That battery and the electric motor housed inside the tranny sound expensive to install and the repair bills ..... ??

The part about relying on the crazy NAV for "look ahead" anticipatory routing and charging made me cringe.

Who would buy this thing?
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Without information on the economics its like a new government program ...... talking about the benefits but at what cost?

That battery and the electric motor housed inside the tranny sound expensive to install and the repair bills ..... ??

The part about relying on the crazy NAV for "look ahead" anticipatory routing and charging made me cringe.

Who would buy this thing?
I don't know about repairs, but I have never heard about the hybrid synergy drive failing on a Lexus hybrid or even a Prius for that matter.

The turbo is likely to be the weaker link in the chain.
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The problem with the BMW and Porsche luxury hybrids is they have no benefits. Performance is worse than the 535 and it adds expense and weight.
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A couple of posts about preferring 535d. The sound of those engines were very strange years ago; I assume the clean burning means no more black smoke? Also, given the huge increase in cost per gallon, I guess the fuel economy must be quite significant? Never really considered a 535d - enlighten me?
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Biggest sticking point will probably be the price. Given their history, they way overpriced the ActiveHybrid 7 and X6 (and put hideous rims on it, which they thankfully didn't do here).
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