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Old 10-05-2011, 10:34 AM
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iphone 4s and bluetooth text messages and email

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i am sure most of you have already heard apple announced a new iPhone yesterday, iPhone 4S. The new phone will utilize bluetooth 4.0 instead of bluetooth 2.1. I was wondering if this change will help all of us finally be able to utilize the bmw mobile office to its full potential. I have read on here that some blackberrys are able to utilize some of the office features. It would be great if iPhone 4s would be the phone to fully work with the bmw office.


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Old 10-05-2011, 10:38 AM
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Oh that would be nice - I am waiting to preorder the 4s next week at the Verizon store.
Will let you know....
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Old 10-05-2011, 10:40 AM
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why wait till next week?
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Old 10-05-2011, 10:51 AM
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I am going to wait until the design of it changes. I dont see a really compelling reason to get the 4s since I can still download the iOS 5 on my iPhone 4. If the 4s looked as the leaked information suggested with slightly rounded edges, thinner, bigger screen, etc. I would....but not just for the same designed model with a couple more capabilities.

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Old 10-05-2011, 11:42 AM
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HI all

i am sure most of you have already heard apple announced a new iPhone yesterday, iPhone 4S. The new phone will utilize bluetooth 4.0 instead of bluetooth 2.1. I was wondering if this change will help all of us finally be able to utilize the bmw mobile office to its full potential. I have read on here that some blackberrys are able to utilize some of the office features. It would be great if iPhone 4s would be the phone to fully work with the bmw office.


Many thanks to everyone out here.
Its not the version of bluetooth that is the issue with iPhones. It is the "MAP" bluetooth specification -- Message Access Profile. iPhone, for whatever reason, does not include MAP. MAP is necessary for the Office functionality.

"The Message Access Profile (MAP) specification defines a set of
features and procedures to exchange messages between devices. It
is especially tailored for the automotive handsfree use case where
an onboard terminal device (typically a Car-Kit installed in the car)
takes advantage of the messaging capability of a communication
device (typically a mobile phone). This profile can however also be
used for other use cases that require the exchange of messages
between two devices."

https://www.bluetooth.org/DocMan/han...?doc_id=215400
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Old 10-05-2011, 12:57 PM
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I am going to wait until the design of it changes. I dont see a really compelling reason to get the 4s since I can still download the iOS 5 on my iPhone 4. If the 4s looked as the leaked information suggested with slightly rounded edges, thinner, bigger screen, etc. I would....but not just for the same designed model with a couple more capabilities.
You still won't have the upgraded processor, camera, and Siri though. I could definitely use a bigger screen but personally I think the current iPhone design is already excellent. Plus its right on track with their normal refresh cycle. 3g>3gs 4>4s.
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Old 10-05-2011, 02:06 PM
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You still won't have the upgraded processor, camera, and Siri though. I could definitely use a bigger screen but personally I think the current iPhone design is already excellent. Plus its right on track with their normal refresh cycle. 3g>3gs 4>4s.
This. IMO Siri is the most important upgrade to the 4s. Unfortunately my 4 won't have this capability.
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Its not the version of bluetooth that is the issue with iPhones. It is the "MAP" bluetooth specification -- Message Access Profile. iPhone, for whatever reason, does not include MAP. MAP is necessary for the Office functionality.

"The Message Access Profile (MAP) specification defines a set of
features and procedures to exchange messages between devices. It
is especially tailored for the automotive handsfree use case where
an onboard terminal device (typically a Car-Kit installed in the car)
takes advantage of the messaging capability of a communication
device (typically a mobile phone). This profile can however also be
used for other use cases that require the exchange of messages
between two devices."

https://www.bluetooth.org/DocMan/han...?doc_id=215400
Has it been confirmed that the iPhone 4S, with iOS 5 still will not have "MAP"? Or is there hope?
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Has it been confirmed that the iPhone 4S, with iOS 5 still will not have "MAP"? Or is there hope?
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Old 10-10-2011, 02:07 PM
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are you guys seriously buying a 4s? common. it's amazing, they give you the same product and everyone runs out to drop hundreds. android and windows phone have had voice command recognition like this for a while now. apple keeps spoon feeding everyone a reheated dish every year and people lap it up. 8 megapixel camera? woopdie doo once again apple is playing catch up to every other cell phone manufacture and they get praised for it. dual core processor? who cares? no phone OS can utilize the full power of a dual core so it's just wasting battery on an over powered processor. still no true multitasking and no flash STILL. apple hasn't innovated since the original iphone.

did you know if you took apart a mac pro and looked up pricing on all the individual parts you will find they are overcharging you over $1k? they take advantage of their customers plain and simple.

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Old 10-10-2011, 04:00 PM
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Anyone have any ideas as to how we can get bmw to work on developing droid compatibility with bmw apps?

Apple has lost market share to droid steadily the last few years. Don't even mention RIMM, why do they even bother?
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Old 10-10-2011, 04:52 PM
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are you guys seriously buying a 4s? common. it's amazing, they give you the same product and everyone runs out to drop hundreds. android and windows phone have had voice command recognition like this for a while now. apple keeps spoon feeding everyone a reheated dish every year and people lap it up. 8 megapixel camera? woopdie doo once again apple is playing catch up to every other cell phone manufacture and they get praised for it. dual core processor? who cares? no phone OS can utilize the full power of a dual core so it's just wasting battery on an over powered processor. still no true multitasking and no flash STILL. apple hasn't innovated since the original iphone.

did you know if you took apart a mac pro and looked up pricing on all the individual parts you will find they are overcharging you over $1k? they take advantage of their customers plain and simple.

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Millions of people around the world aren't wrong. Do you really doubt that Apple just makes a better product? More integrated and user friendly? I join the others in this thread that hope that somehow the bluetooth integration with the iPhone is improved so that we can use all of the Office functions.
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Old 10-10-2011, 06:13 PM
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Millions of people around the world aren't wrong. Do you really doubt that Apple just makes a better product? More integrated and user friendly? I join the others in this thread that hope that somehow the bluetooth integration with the iPhone is improved so that we can use all of the Office functions.
respectfully i disagree. millions of people can definitely be wrong. george w. bush got elected twice after all. i'm not saying the product isn't quality or that it isn't user friendly. it is. my beef with apple is that they have become the Madden of the phone world. offering only minor improvements and touting them as groundbreaking. they claim to be innovators but show me something they have "innovated" since the original iphone that no other company had first. i'm a phone techie to the extreme. if you want fresh, check out windows phone 7. with the zune pass's unlimited downloads it's a no brainer for anyone into music. i wonder how long apple fans will stand for it without steve jobs leading the company. after all steve jobs WAS apple. i just don't understand why windows doesn't advertise their product more aggressively. it's more than ready for prime time.

apple is treading water, regurgitating essentially the same product for 3-4 years.
android has become bloated, eating up to much battery.
windows phone 7 offers a zero learning curve, better music services and great battery life.

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Old 10-10-2011, 06:35 PM
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respectfully i disagree. millions of people can definitely be wrong. george w. bush got elected twice after all. i'm not saying the product isn't quality or that it isn't user friendly. it is. my beef with apple is that they have become the Madden of the phone world. offering only minor improvements and touting them as groundbreaking. they claim to be innovators but show me something they have "innovated" since the original iphone that no other company had first. i'm a phone techie to the extreme. if you want fresh, check out windows phone 7. with the zune pass's unlimited downloads it's a no brainer for anyone into music. i wonder how long apple fans will stand for it without steve jobs leading the company. after all steve jobs WAS apple.
Oh, I definitely agree that a million people can be wrong, but I don't feel they are with Apple. The competitive marketplace rarely is. While it's true that they are not often the leading feature innovator, they are the leading feature integration leader in my opinion. Obviously it's the whole ecosphere they have developed with iTunes, the app store, book store, media relationships, and iOS that make them the market leader and I think it's going to be that way for the forseeable future. Not mention the absolute simplicity of use and interconnectivity. I'm willing to bet the new MS phone will have features that Apple does not yet offer. But when Apple does, it will do so in a more compelling way. Ultimately, it's content access and what good is the best phone without the best content access? It's a package deal.

Of all the features I love best, it's AirPlay. I have my whole house audio running off the iPhone all with hardware I already owned.... with instant access to iTunes for purchase or a million other songs from Pandora and Mog etc.
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Meh... I have a Samsung Focus with Mango and some of the features of this phone are much nicer than the iphone. You're right about one thing though, if it weren't for every other company trying to get a piece of the mobile pie by pushing out products that add to the iphone experience, the iphone would be your average smartphone. There really isn't much innovation with the phone itself, they are just riding on its popularity and the fact that numbers speak for themselves when it comes to third party support. Without this, you would see a much smaller market share for the iphone, but as of right now...large user base means third party support. Windows Phone 7 just doesn't have the user base to demand consideration from third party providers.

Anyway, to answer the question, in the pre-release developer builds of iOS 5, MAP doesn't seem to be available. It doesn't really matter if it is using BT 2.1, 3, or 4, since BT profiles are based on how the driver for that piece of hardware is written and whether it includes instructions for whatever functionality. If Apple decides not to include the profile in their BT stack, tough luck. This will be the same for the 3GS, 4 and 4S, so if you have any of those phones, update to the new OS in a couple of days and find out for yourself if it's now possible.

It does kind of suck because BMW pushes for integration into iOS but Apple refuses to make the phone capable of being completely hands free despite many customers wishing the stack was more full featured.
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Old 10-11-2011, 06:19 AM
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It does kind of suck because BMW pushes for integration into iOS but Apple refuses to make the phone capable of being completely hands free despite many customers wishing the stack was more full featured.
I think that saying that Apple refuses to add the MAP profile to the BT stack so it cannot be integrated to the BMW Office feature is giving Apple too much credit for something that may be is not to be done for a very particular case/time.

This is most probably a BMW business agreement with cell phones manufacturers/providers in the USA than anything else. There is no coincidence that Blackberry is the only cell phone in the USA that it is currently fully compatible with Office (it is not in Europe), that the full Google Search only shows up in the BMW Search service in the USA ($199 a year in the USA but it is free thru any cell phone tethering in Europe), and that the iPhone is so far the only phone that supports BMW Apps.

BMW has three different features supported exclusively by three different cell phone suppliers in the USA when any/all of these suppliers are fully capable to support all three features by themselves. That's the BMW plan in the USA so far so it can offer something for everybody while not fully pleasing anybody, IMO.

For me this is the real reason and not something that Apple, Google or even BlackBerry is willing or refuses to do.

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did you know if you took apart a mac pro and looked up pricing on all the individual parts you will find they are overcharging you over $1k? they take advantage of their customers plain and simple.
Do you have a citation for this claim?

Here is but one of many articles debunking this claim. Anandtech compares a Mac Pro to a similarly equipped Dell workstation.

Here is the quote from the article:

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Despite the high cost of entry, historically the Apple tax has been nonexistent on the Mac Pro. I shopped around Dell and HPs websites to see if I could find similarly configured systems to the new Mac Pro. For the most part Apple was priced identically if not cheaper than Dell and HP for both the single and dual-socket Mac Pros.
Apple does have somewhat higher margins that other computer manufacturers, but nothing like what you are claiming.

If you enjoy your PC, that's great. But I'm not quite clear why you feel the need to denigrate the perfectly valid choices of others.
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I have a degree in computer information systems and I have built more computers than you have ever owned, so ya, i know what i'm talking about. just go to newegg.com and put together an equal spec computer if you want to see for yourself. i don't have to prove anything to anyone. if you feel like defending a company that takes advantage of you be my guest. its like the wife that gets beat by her husband and still thinks it was her fault.

fyi i can put apple's OS's on any PC

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Dude, very few people with needs for computer purchase a Mac Pro. Good luck getting your Windows iphone to integrate with iDrive. Where does this hate come from? And, why even try building a Hackintosh? Just get a Mac. It simply works.
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What a thread hijack. Those of us with iPhones just want to know if we will get iDrive office functionality with the new iOS.
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What a thread hijack. Those of us with iPhones just want to know if we will get iDrive office functionality with the new iOS.
Thats what I was hoping to figure out...Didn't expect a guy jealous of Mac computers posting nonsense on a CAR forum.
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I have a degree in computer information systems and I have built more computers than you have ever owned, so ya, i know what i'm talking about. just go to newegg.com and put together an equal spec computer if you want to see for yourself. i don't have to prove anything to anyone. if you feel like defending a company that takes advantage of you be my guest. its like the wife that gets beat by her husband and still thinks it was her fault.

fyi i can put apple's OS's on any PC
You know, when I posted I just knew you were going to come back and try to tell me that a box of parts from Newegg was the same thing as a Mac Pro, and you did not let me down.

Apologies to the community for the thread jack. I'll drop this now.
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What a thread hijack. Those of us with iPhones just want to know if we will get iDrive office functionality with the new iOS.
I am actually more curious if the Siri voice control features will work over our built in BT? I had a Parrot BT I installed in a car that was able to use the iPhone voice dialing, so there may be hope.



Here is a nice demo of Siri being used.

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