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Old 10-25-2011, 05:50 PM
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Any '11 F10 drivers with ARS driven '12 non ARS sport or msport?

Has anyone with 2011 F10 with ARS driven a 2012 with just sport or Msport with no ARS who can comment on driving difference?
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Old 10-25-2011, 06:09 PM
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Old 10-25-2011, 06:43 PM
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Interested to hear your impressions of body roll in cornering and ride in various modes.

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Old 10-25-2011, 06:53 PM
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I think you would really have to push the car into a corner to tell the difference.

On a side note, I test drove the CLS 550. The engine is unreal,but the steering is $hit. Even with all the complaining about EPS, BMW's system is still better than Audi's or Mercs. Haven't driven the Panamera and I won't because I don't want to turn to stone like looking into the eyes of Medusa.
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Old 10-25-2011, 06:55 PM
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Is ARS deleted from the 535 for 2012? I didn't see ARS on the build site (Canada).
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Old 10-25-2011, 07:33 PM
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Is ARS deleted from the 535 for 2012? I didn't see ARS on the build site (Canada).
It's only available on the 550iX, and you have to get the 3900 Dynamic Handling Package to get it. (Canada Specific)
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Old 10-26-2011, 08:05 AM
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It's only available on the 550iX, and you have to get the 3900 Dynamic Handling Package to get it. (Canada Specific)
I'm baffled as to why BMW did this. You would think that anything to reduce roll would have a positive impact on handling, which is what these cars are supposed to be about.
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Old 10-26-2011, 09:22 AM
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I'm baffled as to why BMW did this. You would think that anything to reduce roll would have a positive impact on handling, which is what these cars are supposed to be about.
We can only guess. Here are a few possibilities I can think of:

1. ARS is a poor match to DDC. While ARS was a perfect match to the passive sport suspension in for example the E60 it could be that the long soft springs used to allow for the three Comfort Modes ( ECO, Comfort+ and Comfort ) makes ARS ill suited to control the car while not cornering. I.e the car becomes floaty without the support of passive roll bars. I think this is Needsdecaf 's guess.

2. ARS is a loss for BMW due to the problems experienced in the F10. The grinding noise has been rather common and the cost of the components and manhours involved to address it are significant. Dynamic drive malfunction has been less common but there has been at least a few commenters here that experienced it. These things could add up to where bmw wants to do some damage control by reducing the number of ARS equipped F10s.

These are just two guesses, both could be wrong.
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Old 10-26-2011, 12:35 PM
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We can only guess. Here are a few possibilities I can think of:

1. ARS is a poor match to DDC. While ARS was a perfect match to the passive sport suspension in for example the E60 it could be that the long soft springs used to allow for the three Comfort Modes ( ECO, Comfort+ and Comfort ) makes ARS ill suited to control the car while not cornering. I.e the car becomes floaty without the support of passive roll bars. I think this is Needsdecaf 's guess.

2. ARS is a loss for BMW due to the problems experienced in the F10. The grinding noise has been rather common and the cost of the components and manhours involved to address it are significant. Dynamic drive malfunction has been less common but there has been at least a few commenters here that experienced it. These things could add up to where bmw wants to do some damage control by reducing the number of ARS equipped F10s.

These are just two guesses, both could be wrong.
ARS is still available in the US and Europe across many F10 trims. I think making the ARS a standalone option is just a marketing trick. Look at the US prices for Sport or M Sport packages with ARS option: $6100 and $7300.
Also, ARS grinding was mostly during first year of the production (2010). I do not remember if any member here recently reported ARS problems.
The question is why BMW deleted ARS option for Canada?
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Old 10-28-2011, 06:26 PM
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We can only guess. Here are a few possibilities I can think of:

1. ARS is a poor match to DDC. While ARS was a perfect match to the passive sport suspension in for example the E60 it could be that the long soft springs used to allow for the three Comfort Modes ( ECO, Comfort+ and Comfort ) makes ARS ill suited to control the car while not cornering. I.e the car becomes floaty without the support of passive roll bars. I think this is Needsdecaf 's guess.

2. ARS is a loss for BMW due to the problems experienced in the F10. The grinding noise has been rather common and the cost of the components and manhours involved to address it are significant. Dynamic drive malfunction has been less common but there has been at least a few commenters here that experienced it. These things could add up to where bmw wants to do some damage control by reducing the number of ARS equipped F10s.

These are just two guesses, both could be wrong.
Solstice, I welcome your comments in my other thread.
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Old 10-29-2011, 08:11 AM
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I guess if ride quality is good on the 2012 without ARS and the car corners relatively flat, I don't have a problem with it. In Canada, ARS is only available on the 550. Given that the majority of sales appear to be in the 535/528 models, I wonder whether BMW is trying to get buyers to "move up" to get the better features eg. Night vision not available on the 535 in Canada , you have to get a 550. In the end, I guess it doesn't really matter, it is what it is. You either like the 2912 535i or you don't. I guess I'll have to try it.
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Old 10-30-2011, 06:13 PM
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I test drove a 2011 535 xi on Saturday with M Sport but with out the dynamic handling package (which in Canada means no ARS). I think the car set up this way is a bit too much luxury and not enough sport in the cornering department. I'll have to try a 2012 model with Msport to see how the handling compares. If it is tightened up then I would not be unhappy without ARS. If it is the same ...
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We can only guess. Here are a few possibilities I can think of:

1. ARS is a poor match to DDC. While ARS was a perfect match to the passive sport suspension in for example the E60 it could be that the long soft springs used to allow for the three Comfort Modes ( ECO, Comfort+ and Comfort ) makes ARS ill suited to control the car while not cornering. I.e the car becomes floaty without the support of passive roll bars. I think this is Needsdecaf 's guess.

2. ARS is a loss for BMW due to the problems experienced in the F10. The grinding noise has been rather common and the cost of the components and manhours involved to address it are significant. Dynamic drive malfunction has been less common but there has been at least a few commenters here that experienced it. These things could add up to where bmw wants to do some damage control by reducing the number of ARS equipped F10s.

These are just two guesses, both could be wrong.
Probably not.
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Old 10-30-2011, 06:38 PM
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I'm baffled as to why BMW did this. You would think that anything to reduce roll would have a positive impact on handling, which is what these cars are supposed to be about.
BMW are obviously retards. No intelligent person should ever buy theirs products.
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I test drove a 2011 535 xi on Saturday with M Sport but with out the dynamic handling package (which in Canada means no ARS). I think the car set up this way is a bit too much luxury and not enough sport in the cornering department. I'll have to try a 2012 model with Msport to see how the handling compares. If it is tightened up then I would not be unhappy without ARS. If it is the same ...
So in 2011 in Canada, what comes with the MSport package? Just active dampers?
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Old 10-31-2011, 04:54 PM
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So in 2011 in Canada, what comes with the MSport package? Just active dampers?
I'm not sure. the one I drove had the comfort/normal/sport switch. The option monikers have me confused. I thought dynamic drive included ARS. In any event, the 2011 I drove didn't have ARS and the car was a bit sloppy around a curve. not the sharp handling I was expecting.
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According to the BMW.ca website, MSport comes with no suspension upgrades, and Dynamic Dampers are an option. ARS is not even an option by the looks of it.
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