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Old 11-02-2011, 05:05 AM
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Whice F10 Holds It Value The Best?...

....Some have suggested that the 550 retains its value far better than the 535. I looked into this and could find no support for this contention. In fact, here are the results that I was able to find (http://www.cars.com/go/alg/index.jsp...ES&year=2011):

[The numbers after each model are for 24/36/48/60 months respectively]

528i - 52/43/36/29
535i - 49/41/34/28
535xi - 50/41/34/28
550i - 49/40/34/27
550xi - 50/41/34/28

Not much of a spread, but the winner is....
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Old 11-02-2011, 07:32 AM
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with fuel prices, i'm guessing the 535...but still lusting after a 550. woot!
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Old 11-02-2011, 07:43 AM
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It's likely to be the same as it is for almost any car - the base car with relatively few options will maintain the closest relationship to its original MSRP. The F10 which retains its value best will be a lightly optioned 528i (and, most likely, the 2012 and onwards with the 4-cylinder engine).
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Old 11-02-2011, 08:30 AM
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Too close to call. Either way, these cars will be worth half their value in 5 years. No big deal. Drive it, enjoy it and then move on.
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Old 11-02-2011, 08:36 AM
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it's likely to be the same as it is for almost any car - the base car with relatively few options will maintain the closest relationship to its original msrp. The f10 which retains its value best will be a lightly optioned 528i (and, most likely, the 2012 and onwards with the 4-cylinder engine).
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Old 11-02-2011, 10:18 AM
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....Some have suggested that the 550 retains its value far better than the 535. I looked into this and could find no support for this contention. In fact, here are the results that I was able to find (http://www.cars.com/go/alg/index.jsp...ES&year=2011):

[The numbers after each model are for 24/36/48/60 months respectively]

528i - 52/43/36/29
535i - 49/41/34/28
535xi - 50/41/34/28
550i - 49/40/34/27
550xi - 50/41/34/28

Not much of a spread, but the winner is....
Is that real???

A 535i or 550i loses 51% of it's MSRP in the first 2 years, then only 15% over the next 2 years!!!

So next fall I should be able to buy a fully loaded $80k MSRP 2011 550i at auction for $40k, then drive it for 3 years and sell it for $22k?? Where do i sign

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Old 11-02-2011, 12:17 PM
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Having owned 2 different 5 series cars over the past 10 years I can tell you that they all suck when it comes to resale. In general, the bigger the motor, the worse the hit.

If you care about your financial health do not ever buy a new 5 series sedan.
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Old 11-02-2011, 12:18 PM
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Yes it is real. My $59k 530i was worth only $33k after 24 months when I bought out the lease at a discount, and I'm certain that was above trade in value.

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Is that real???

A 535i or 550i loses 51% of it's MSRP in the first 2 years, then only 15% over the next 2 years!!!

So next fall I should be able to buy a fully loaded $80k MSRP 2011 550i at auction for $40k, then drive it for 3 years and sell it for $22k?? Where do i sign
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Old 11-02-2011, 12:45 PM
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Too close to call. Either way, these cars will be worth half their value in 5 years . No big deal. Drive it, enjoy it and then move on.
Sorry, third. Third or less of their value in 5 years.

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Old 11-02-2011, 01:24 PM
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A third in five is not bad, but half in two is just awful. It's also an incredibly stupid financial move unless money is of no concern.

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Sorry, third. Third or less of their value in 5 years.
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Old 11-02-2011, 01:36 PM
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It's also an incredibly stupid financial move unless money is of no concern.
You mean buying it outright? I was about to do it
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Old 11-02-2011, 01:43 PM
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Yes, buying. At least when you lease, your losses are capped.
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Old 11-02-2011, 01:55 PM
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Yes, buying. At least when you lease, your losses are capped.
It's painful to loose both the car and money at the end of the three year-or more lease.
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Old 11-02-2011, 01:58 PM
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BMW Resale Gets Worse With Every Model

With the increasing complexity and cost of repair the depreciation hit is really hammering resale values. Owning one of the newer high tech models out of warranty is really risky. If you don't drive a zillion miles a year I have always found that a 2 or 3 year old CPO'ed model to be of the best value. The initial hit has been absorbed, you have a year or two of the bumper to bumper warranty and maintenance remaining and the extra protection from the CPO warranty after that.
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Old 11-02-2011, 01:58 PM
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Too close to call. Either way, these cars will be worth half their value in 5 years. No big deal. Drive it, enjoy it and then move on.
Actually they are worth half their value after 2 -3 years. But I agree, just drive it and enjoy it. It is a pleasure, not an investment.
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Old 11-02-2011, 02:23 PM
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You can always choose to buy it out at the end. You might even be able to negotiate the price.

Look, 5 series cars suck when it comes to resale. It has nothing to do with complexity and out of warranty costs. These cars have always gotten hammered. My 5 year old 530i is probably worth only slightly more than a 330i of the same year and mileage.

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It's painful to loose both the car and money at the end of the three year-or more lease.
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Old 11-02-2011, 02:58 PM
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Obviously this is a F10 forum and considering the car has only been out for a bit over 1 year, you all bought new so the depreciation is a sore issue. However, from an objective perspective, the severe depreciation is a positive for anyone with patience. From looking at the above figures, depreciation on these cars following the first 24 months is not bad at all (actually pretty good!). The big issue seems to be the 50% hit for the first 24 months. That means these very fine cars are available at a very affordable cost with low depreciation for anyone willing to buy a 24 month car.

I guess it's tough for me to understand the propensity to buy new with these numbers. The sweet spot seems to be buying the car 2 years old, driving for 2 - 3 years ... rinse / repeat. Total ownership cost probably 1/3 of buying new.
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Old 11-02-2011, 03:09 PM
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Looks like this is a different side (Scary) of a BMW ownership... Its damn scary...
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Old 11-02-2011, 03:48 PM
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I bought my car in July 2011, the original owner purchased in March 2011 drove it for 3,500 miles.

I purchased for 58K, MSRP new in March was 69K. That's an 11K drop in four months and 3,500 miles.....I can see these numbers being pretty darn close.
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Old 11-02-2011, 03:57 PM
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....Some have suggested that the 550 retains its value far better than the 535. I looked into this and could find no support for this contention. In fact, here are the results that I was able to find (http://www.cars.com/go/alg/index.jsp...ES&year=2011):

[The numbers after each model are for 24/36/48/60 months respectively]

528i - 52/43/36/29
535i - 49/41/34/28
535xi - 50/41/34/28
550i - 49/40/34/27
550xi - 50/41/34/28

Not much of a spread, but the winner is....
This one is easy. Everyone thinks the one they own will hold/has held its value the best. That's why you see people attempting to sell a car valued at $20k for $25k...and they believe it's really worth more for one reason or another.
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Old 11-02-2011, 04:00 PM
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11k before counting all the new car discounts, incentives, and lease opportunities.

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I bought my car in July 2011, the original owner purchased in March 2011 drove it for 3,500 miles.

I purchased for 58K, MSRP new in March was 69K. That's an 11K drop in four months and 3,500 miles.....I can see these numbers being pretty darn close.
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Old 11-02-2011, 04:05 PM
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I bought my 2008 535i E60 for $54k ( euro delivery ) and BMW traded it for $30k 3 years later. They put it on the lot as CPO for $42k...
So depreciation does not have to be as awful and buying used at the depriciated prices listed is not a given.
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Old 11-02-2011, 04:05 PM
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I bought my car in July 2011, the original owner purchased in March 2011 drove it for 3,500 miles.

I purchased for 58K, MSRP new in March was 69K. That's an 11K drop in four months and 3,500 miles.....I can see these numbers being pretty darn close.
Why you are all not mentioning taxes? It's 58K plus tax, right?
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Old 11-02-2011, 04:46 PM
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If you are concerned about value after 2,3,5 years, you should absolutely be leasing your vehicle. Least brain damage and out of pocket - general rule.

If you tend to buy well-built, fun cars and keep them a pretty long time, as I do, all these numbers are totally irrelevant. Whatever you pay is the cost of having what you want, when you want it.

Purchasing a conglomeration of rapidly depreciating metal parts is almost NEVER a good idea if you plan to resell within 5 years, unless you get a great deal and/or the tax advantages are too good to pass up.

As far as taxes, there are significant tax advantages to be had either leasing or buying, with buying frequently quite a bit more favorable, depending upon how the deal is structured, company purchases, etc. Sometimes the purchase tax advantages can even outweigh the leasing advantages. So there really is no right or wrong - each situation stands on its own.
Just my $.02
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Why you are all not mentioning taxes? It's 58K plus tax, right?
Taxes depends on state laws and if you have a trade-in. In WA for example you can deduct the trade-in from the purchase price and only pay tax on the delta.
Some states do not have VAT at all.
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