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X5 E70 (2007 - 2013)
E70 BMW X5 produced between 2007 and 2013. Discuss the E70 X5 with other BMW owners here.

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Old 11-06-2011, 01:55 PM
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why you guys all buy X5 35D ?

Save on gas,

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What esle ?
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Old 11-06-2011, 03:03 PM
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Torque Curve. Pulls the boat nicely, and drive fantastically the rest of the time
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Old 11-06-2011, 03:32 PM
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Torque Curve. Pulls the boat nicely, and drive fantastically the rest of the time
Agree 100%. The diesel is just the perfect match for the X5. The V8 is great too, but I want better than 19 MPG. There is just something about the sound of the diesel. It's a beast...
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Old 11-06-2011, 03:37 PM
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I wanted the torque, and the 5.0 wasn't out when I bought mine
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Old 11-06-2011, 04:20 PM
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Torque Curve. Pulls the boat nicely, and drive fantastically the rest of the time
just checked: Torque @ RPM 425 @ 1750-2250

amazing ~~~ but HP only 265 @ 4200... what does torque and HP actually mean to us ? I like cars but dont know much about torque and HP need some education here
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Old 11-06-2011, 04:23 PM
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just checked: Torque @ RPM 425 @ 1750-2250

amazing ~~~ but HP only 265 @ 4200... what does torque and HP actually mean to us ? I like cars but dont know much about torque and HP need some education here
Best way to get educated ---- go test drive the 3.5i, 5.0i and d and you will immediately find out without having to read a lot comments that are sure to come and make you dizzy.

Bought mine for the reasons cited above: torque off the line for a quick getaway and good MPG.
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Old 11-06-2011, 04:26 PM
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I thought 35D can get much higher MPG, compared to 35i, but 35D only has 26 on highway and 19 on local; while 35i or 35i premium offer 23 and 16....why I saw some Diesel car can get up to 40-45 MPG ? what decide this ?

also, if we buy 35D, can we get any credit ?
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Old 11-06-2011, 04:31 PM
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Best way to get educated ---- go test drive the 3.5i, 5.0i and d and you will immediately find out without having to read a lot comments that are sure to come and make you dizzy.

Bought mine for the reasons cited above: torque off the line for a quick getaway and good MPG.
thanks for education. can I say higher torque makes the start faster? and with a higher HP, the power can last longer ?
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Old 11-06-2011, 05:05 PM
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Torque baby, torque + the fact that I pulled a closed trailer with 2 sport bike and tools all summer for an average of 21.5 MPG while sitting a luxury!
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Old 11-06-2011, 05:50 PM
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There's been many threads on this very topic. Do a search. This topic has been beat to death. and welcome to BFest
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Old 11-06-2011, 05:53 PM
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I thought 35D can get much higher MPG, compared to 35i, but 35D only has 26 on highway and 19 on local; while 35i or 35i premium offer 23 and 16....why I saw some Diesel car can get up to 40-45 MPG ? what decide this ?

also, if we buy 35D, can we get any credit ?
Those numbers are very conservative. Most people get up to 30 MPG on the highway, and 20+ in the city. It all depends how you drive, but I can easily average 26 MPG. Where I live, Diesel and Premium cost the same, so that a 25-30% saving on fuel cost.
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Old 11-06-2011, 05:54 PM
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There's been many threads on this very topic. Do a search. This topic has been beat to death. and welcome to BFest
I'm surprised you didn't tell him to buy a Cayenne
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Old 11-06-2011, 05:57 PM
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thanks for education. can I say higher torque makes the start faster? and with a higher HP, the power can last longer ?
Yujia,

In VERY simple terms, Torque = thrust and power off the line. HP = acceleration and how fast the car moves through the RPM's.

I think both are important, but HP isn't much use without a lot of torque. For example, I owned a 2008 535i and a 2011 Infiniti FX35. Both had the same HP, but the Infiniti had less torque. The difference was VERY noticeable.
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Old 11-06-2011, 07:04 PM
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Old 11-06-2011, 08:44 PM
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Come on... You have to admit that was pretty funny Don't be sour
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Old 11-06-2011, 09:09 PM
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One reason is that the deals on the X5d are unbelievably good. Combine all the other available incentives with the X5d-only Eco Credit and you're getting the car for way under invoice. If you're buying outright, it's probably the best value in the entire X5 range.
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Old 11-07-2011, 08:00 AM
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Matt, out here the cost of diesel is 15-20 cents higher than premium, so the cost benefit ratio is somewhat reduced. I would have told him to buy a Cayenne, but those diesels are not coming for another 18 months or so. As long as the X5 eco discount holds it is a great buy, when that goes away then we will have to see. If the OP wants 40+ mpg in a diesel he had better look at a Jetta Sportwagon TDI for less than half the X5d cost.

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Old 11-07-2011, 08:12 AM
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Matt, out here the cost of diesel is 15-20 cents higher than premium, so the cost benefit ratio is somewhat reduced. I would have told him to buy a Cayenne, but those diesels are not coming for another 18 months or so. As long as the X5 eco discount holds it is a great buy, when that goes away then we will have to see. If the OP wants 40+ mpg in a diesel he had better look at a Jetta Sportwagon TDI for less than half the X5d cost.
Agreed... The diesel only makes sense under one or more of the following conditions:
- The $2500 eco credit remains available
- The cost of premium gas and diesel are about the same
- You need the torque to pull something (boat, caravan, etc.)

Where I live, diesel is around $3.65 and premium gas ranges from $3.40 to $3.80. Interestingly, at some stations diesel is cheaper. Also gas prices tend to fluctuate a lot more from station to station ($0.40 spread) whereas diesel really doesn't ($0.20 spread).

By the way, for those that haven't tried it, "Gasbuddy.com" and the corresponding smartphone apps are fantastic.

You know, for the money, that Jetta is a great little car. You just can't beat the MPG. I'll take that engine over a Prius or a Volt anyday The Audi A3 diesel (same engine) is pretty nice too and good bang for the buck, given it's an Audi
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Old 11-07-2011, 08:15 AM
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The reason I bought it was because there was a 4500 eco credit, 1800 tax credit, great power for my usable driving and fuel savings. This is not going to be a top end vehicle, but I usually don't drive over 90 mph.

Most of my driving is around town, and I average 22.5 mpg. I don't know about gas savings on the highway. I only get about 24 MPG traveling highway, usually at 80+MPH. If I am maintaining 65, I will probably get 27 mpg. I think the diesels can benefit from a 7th or 8th gear on the high end, because the torque can handle it.
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1. Torque
2. Range on a tank
3. Fuel economy
4. It is different

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1. Torque
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4. It is different

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Have to agree with #4 - it is so European! Unless you drive a huge 1 ton truck or larger most of the American public seems to be adverse to diesel. They see it as some type of oddity. The rest of the world and Europe in particular it is likely as common as regular fuel.
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Old 11-07-2011, 09:51 AM
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It kills me when people discuss fuel economy on a $65,000 vehicle....

^^^Agree with Mike. Like different, like 'diesel'

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It kills me when people discuss fuel economy on a $65,000 vehicle....

^^^Agree with Mike. Like different, like 'diesel'

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I am less concerned with the economics of fuel economy vs. the convenience of only having to fill the tank three times a month (vs four).

My wife had an '03 E53 X5 3.0 and it averaged 16 mpg overall. Her '08 E70 X5 3.0si averaged 15 mpg overall (yeah, it was worse!). We filled the tank all the time.

I am hoping the '12 E70 X535d will average about 19 mpg overall... a 25 percent improvement in range.

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I am hoping the '12 E70 X535d will average about 19 mpg overall... a 25 percent improvement in range.

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You're gonna do much more than that. Closer to 22ish. I've never dipped below 20, even when I was beating on it
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You're gonna do much more than that. Closer to 22ish. I've never dipped below 20, even when I was beating on it
I'd do better... but my wife consistently delivers 10 percent worse fuel economy than I do. I've been charting her driving for twenty years, and it doesn't get any better!

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