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Old 11-08-2011, 07:38 PM
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Standard display w/o Nav

Does anyone have a picture of standard display without navigation? I know it is a smaller screen, how does it look and work?
For new car purchase, I'm thinking to take $1000 option credit, as opposed to have free navigation. Don't feel the need for it.
Any thoughts?
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Old 11-08-2011, 08:40 PM
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Here are 2 pics showing the difference. However, you cannot delete Nav. BMW supposedly cannot get the smaller screens due to supplier issues (Japan tsunami) and so all cars are being equipped with Nav and they are just refunding the invoice cost of $1730.

Standard screen shows all the iDrive controls.
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Old 11-09-2011, 06:28 AM
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Wow that screen looks tiny compare to the Nav...In fact my E60 screen look bigger then that and it didnt have Nav.
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Old 11-09-2011, 06:34 AM
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Wow that screen looks tiny compare to the Nav...In fact my E60 screen look bigger then that and it didnt have Nav.
I think the screen in my E60 is bigger than that without nav. Maybe supplier changes made the screen smaller on the F10 non-nav cars. The whole supplier thing is great because this car should have nav standard (like the E350 with P1 package) and anyone buying now is effectively getting a 2k option standard. Maybe BMW will see the light and just make nav standard on all 5, x5 and x6 models.
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Old 11-09-2011, 07:27 AM
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I think the screen in my E60 is bigger than that without nav. Maybe supplier changes made the screen smaller on the F10 non-nav cars. The whole supplier thing is great because this car should have nav standard (like the E350 with P1 package) and anyone buying now is effectively getting a 2k option standard. Maybe BMW will see the light and just make nav standard on all 5, x5 and x6 models.
Making options standard items is not always a great idea. In the case of Navigation, most people probably order their F10 with it, so it doesn't affect the majority of buyers. Same with leather seats, which are now standard. However, I'm not a proponent of making every option or package standard, it reduces the flexibility of optioning a car to a lower price point, and to pick and choose your configuration. I never understand the big push to make something standard. Simply order what you want, or in the case of an option like nav, most dealer stock will have the item. Why do people insist on "standard"?
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Old 11-09-2011, 07:39 AM
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Making options standard items is not always a great idea. In the case of Navigation, most people probably order their F10 with it, so it doesn't affect the majority of buyers. Same with leather seats, which are now standard. However, I'm not a proponent of making every option or package standard, it reduces the flexibility of optioning a car to a lower price point, and to pick and choose your configuration. I never understand the big push to make something standard. Simply order what you want, or in the case of an option like nav, most dealer stock will have the item. Why do people insist on "standard"?
I agree with you, mostly. Some items, however, should IMHO be standard because the competition makes them standard. And by standard I mean without raising the base MSRP. I shopped an E350 before I purchased my 2008 535i and nav was standard and with similar eqipment the E350 was thousands less than the 528 and 535. The gap is much closer now. Most people in this price segment want nav in their cars. I would not say make it standard in an E90 though. I used to not care about nav and just use a garmin. However, after getting nav in the 335d and now the new 535i I doubt I will buy another car without it.
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Old 11-09-2011, 09:05 AM
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Making options standard items is not always a great idea. In the case of Navigation, most people probably order their F10 with it, so it doesn't affect the majority of buyers. Same with leather seats, which are now standard. However, I'm not a proponent of making every option or package standard, it reduces the flexibility of optioning a car to a lower price point, and to pick and choose your configuration. I never understand the big push to make something standard. Simply order what you want, or in the case of an option like nav, most dealer stock will have the item. Why do people insist on "standard"?
Because BMW 5 series this is not a "standard" car.
This is executive kind of car. Air conditioner and power windows are standard. Same as leather interior (well, here might be other opinios) and large screen with navigation.

Here in Canada in the "base" model we have automatic transmission, leather seats and 550 comes with navigation only. And I agree with that. (I only wish more options is available here - e.g. we do not have soft close doors - it's a huge miss..). BMW - is a premuim car. And "premium" and "lower price point" are not matching together.
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Old 11-09-2011, 09:14 AM
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Because BMW 5 series this is not a "standard" car.
This is executive kind of car. Air conditioner and power windows are standard. Same as leather interior (well, here might be other opinios) and large screen with navigation.

Here in Canada in the "base" model we have automatic transmission, leather seats and 550 comes with navigation only. And I agree with that. (I only wish more options is available here - e.g. we do not have soft close doors - it's a huge miss..). BMW - is a premuim car. And "premium" and "lower price point" are not matching together.
If you extend this logic to its natural conclusion, the F10 should be offered with every single option 'given' as a standard feature--at a price point of over $90K almost double the 46k base price of the f10 in the US
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Old 11-09-2011, 09:45 AM
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If you extend this logic to its natural conclusion, the F10 should be offered with every single option 'given' as a standard feature--at a price point of over $90K
Yes, this is pretty much what we are paying here
Base model - 76K. Plus options - exactly 90K.
Minus negotiations (8%, this makes invoice +1%), plus 13% tax.

Indeed, there should be some degree of customization (e.g. to the personal preference - like wood or aluminum trip, summer tires, manual transmission, etc), but the base must be pretty sufficient.
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Old 11-09-2011, 10:31 AM
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Yes, this is pretty much what we are paying here
Base model - 76K. Plus options - exactly 90K.
Minus negotiations (8%, this makes invoice +1%), plus 13% tax.

Indeed, there should be some degree of customization (e.g. to the personal preference - like wood or aluminum trip, summer tires, manual transmission, etc), but the base must be pretty sufficient.
Well that is apple:oranges comparing US:CAD pricing. I'll edit my post for clarity.

I do agree to an extent. I think xenon/HID should be standard on F10, as it is now with MY12, and I think it's ludicrous that BlueTooth either wasn't standard or was a $750 (!) option on E9x cars. I don't think either nav or leather needs to be standard, as long as the vinyl is as good as MBtex.
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Old 11-09-2011, 12:35 PM
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Because BMW 5 series this is not a "standard" car.
This is executive kind of car. Air conditioner and power windows are standard. Same as leather interior (well, here might be other opinios) and large screen with navigation.

Here in Canada in the "base" model we have automatic transmission, leather seats and 550 comes with navigation only. And I agree with that. (I only wish more options is available here - e.g. we do not have soft close doors - it's a huge miss..). BMW - is a premuim car. And "premium" and "lower price point" are not matching together.
Depends on how you define "low". My somewhat sparsely optioned 535i had MSRP of $56K. Basically I have nav, heated seats, auto trans (free), anthracite headliner, premium 1. I don't need all the other options, or care to pay $70K for my F10. I appreciate that I have the choice. My F10 "base" is the same quality, etc. as a loaded 535i, just lacking some features which I deemed unnecessary for me. I don't consider $56K a "cheap" car.
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Here are 2 pics showing the difference. However, you cannot delete Nav. BMW supposedly cannot get the smaller screens due to supplier issues (Japan tsunami) and so all cars are being equipped with Nav and they are just refunding the invoice cost of $1730.

Standard screen shows all the iDrive controls.
For some reason every time I see this screen I think of:

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