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Old 10-05-2016, 10:48 AM
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Smartphones and car accidents

I can see smartphones leading to more car accidents and fatalities.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-road-de...131238777.html

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Old 11-12-2016, 09:26 PM
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We now have walking accidents too. Last week my mom's friend's husband went for a walk after arriving home. Did not make it back home. Apparently he was texting and walking as he entered a cross street without looking. Got struck by a car and died. He was 60+ years old.

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Old 11-13-2016, 06:31 AM
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smart phones should have a default mode that it will not work when it senses horizontal movements
Then airports have those continuous annoying warning that you are coming to the end of the moving walkway.
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This is why Google has spent so much money promoting driverless cars. They want to capture your attention while in your car and they're going to do it by using the police power of the State* under the guise of "safety".

*Driverless cars will eventually become govt mandate and insurance will become too expensive for people who want to drive manually.
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Old 11-13-2016, 10:35 AM
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More states are holding drivers responsible for distacted driving.
It's not just DUI anymore.

Arizona Homicide by Vehicle ...DRAFT...
August 23, 2006 added murder stat citation.
January 1, 2007 added section on Title 28.
http://azbikelaw.org/carlaw/homicide.html

MADD Penalties for Drunk Driving Vehicular Homicide
http://www.madd.org/laws/law-overvie...e_Overview.pdf

Approximate Jail or Prison Sentences Possible in
Traffic Crash Deaths Caused by a Drunk Driver*
Alabama: 1 to 10 years
Alaska: 1 to 99 years
Arizona: 1 to 22 years
Arkansas: 5 to 20 years
California: 0 to 10 years
Colorado: 0 to 24 years
Connecticut: 1 to 10 years
Delaware: 1 to 5 years
DC: 0 to 30 years
Florida: 0 to 15 years
Georgia: 0 to 15 years
Hawaii: 0 to 10 years
Idaho: 0 to 15 years
Illinois: 1 to 28 years
Indiana: 2 to 20 years
Iowa: 1 to 25 years
Kansas: 0 to 172 months
Kentucky: 0 to 10 years
Louisiana: 3 to 30 years
Maine: 6 months to 10 years
Maryland: 0 to 5 years
Massachusetts: 30 days to 15 years
Michigan: 0 to 20 years
Minnesota: 0 to 10 years
Mississippi: 5 to 25 years
Missouri: 0 to 15 years
Montana: 0 to 30 years
Nebraska: 1 to 50 years
Nevada: 2 to 25 years
New Hampshire: 0 to 15 years
New Jersey: 5 to 10 years
New Mexico: 0 to 6 years
New York: 0 to 15 years
North Carolina: 15 to 480 months
North Dakota: 0 to life
imprisonment
Ohio: 1 to 15 years
Oklahoma: 0 to 1 year
Oregon: 0 to 20 years
Pennsylvania: 0 to 10 years
Rhode Island: 5 to 20 years
South Carolina: 1 to 25 years
South Dakota: 0 to 15 years
Tennessee: 8 to 60 years
Texas: 2 to 20 years
Utah: 0 to 15 years
Vermont: 1 to 15 years
Virginia: 1 to 20 years
Washington: 31 to 177 months
West Virginia: 90 days to 10 years
Wisconsin: 0 to 40 years
Wyoming: 0 to 20 years

*Time is listed as approximate as an offender may be charged

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Old 11-13-2016, 11:48 AM
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Woman Sentenced to Prison in Fatal Distracted Driving Crash
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/lo...324442181.html

Texting and driving manslaughter case ends in guilty verdict
http://www.al.com/news/mobile/index....slaught_3.html

CAMARILLO WOMAN WHO KILLED 2 MEN IN DISTRACTED DRIVING CASE GETS 300 DAYS IN JAIL
http://abc7.com/news/camarillo-woman...-jail/1520581/
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Smart phones, stupid user. England were onto this in 2008. Blame should also go to companies like facebook. They should shut down the internet for a week, the world will go bats#$t crazy. I just moved house & it took a month for the internet to get activated. Sure I had it on my phone but I prefer my tablet so I didn't use it, didn't bother me either.

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U.K. Law re driving using moby

Penalties for using your phone while driving
You can get an automatic fixed penalty notice if you're caught using a hand-held phone while driving or riding. You'll get 3 penalty points on your licence and a fine of £100.

Your case could also go to court and you could be disqualified from driving or riding and get a maximum fine of £1,000. Drivers of buses or goods vehicles could get a maximum fine of £2,500.

New drivers

You'll lose your licence if you get 6 or more penalty points within 2 years of passing your test.

When you can use a phone in your vehicle
If you're the driver, you can only use your phone in a vehicle if you:

need to call 999 or 112 in an emergency and it's unsafe or impractical to stop
are safely parked
Using hands-free devices when driving
You can use hands-free phones, sat navs and 2-way radios when you're driving or riding. But if the police think you're distracted and not in control of your vehicle you could still get stopped and penalised.

https://www.gov.uk/using-mobile-phon...riving-the-law

Causing death...

A 21 year-old man who was browsing the internet while driving, has been jailed for causing a man's death.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-37763455
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Old 11-13-2016, 05:38 PM
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Vehicular homicide
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicular_homicide

United States
The definition and penalties of vehicular manslaughter in the United States vary by state.

All states except Alaska, Montana, and Arizona have vehicular homicide statutes. The laws have the effect of making a vehicle a potentially deadly weapon, to allow for easier conviction and more severe penalties; in states without such statutes, defendants can still be charged with manslaughter or murder in some situations.[7]

In the Model Penal Code, there is no distinction between vehicular homicide and vehicular homicides that involve negligence; instead, both are included in the overall category of negligent homicide.[8][9]

Sentencing

A study by professors at Dartmouth College and Harvard University found that those convicted of vehicular homicide are given, on average, shorter sentences than those found guilty of other types of homicide. The study found that the gender of the offender does not statistically affect the length of the sentence, but the race does. The identity of the victim is a more important predictor of sentencing length, with longer sentences given to offenders in cases where the victim was female and/or had no violent criminal record.[1]

Some states, such as Minnesota, have statutes allowing for a charge of a vehicular homicide if an unborn child is killed or injured by a motorist.[11]

Negligent homicide
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negligent_homicide

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Safety on American Roads - The Safest States In The USA And The Most Dangerous

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Approximate Jail or Prison Sentences Possible in Traffic Crash Deaths Caused by a Drunk Driver*

Delaware: 1 to 5 years
Maryland: 0 to 5 years
New Mexico: 0 to 6 years
Oklahoma: 0 to 1 year
I filtered the list to the most lenient states for clarity.

Oklahoma must have a really low budget for prisons.
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Tech Distractions Blamed for Rise in Traffic Fatalities
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/16/bu...atalities.html

After steady declines over the last four decades, highway fatalities last year recorded the largest annual percentage increase in 50 years. And the numbers so far this year are even worse. In the first six months of 2016, highway deaths jumped 10.4 percent, to 17,775, from the comparable period of 2015, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.

"This is a crisis that needs to be addressed now," Mark R. Rosekind, the head of the agency, said in an interview.

Dr. William Chandler, a retired neurosurgeon in Ann Arbor, Mich., just bought a 2017 BMW X5 sport utility vehicle that warns him if he drifts out of his lane on the highway or if a car is in his blind spot. His favorite feature is a heads-up display on the windshield in front of him that projects his speed, the speed limit and navigation information.

"It puts all the directions and turns right there in my field of vision," he said. "That's a real safety factor for distracted driving, because I'm never looking at the map on the screen in the console."

But new cars make up only a small portion of the 260 million vehicles on the road in the United States. Digital diversion is harder to address in older models.
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All states except Alaska, Montana, and Arizona have vehicular homicide statutes.
They might, but if no one charges you for it, then it is a moot point. Case in question ... Almost 10 years ago I drove up to an "accident" scene where helicopter was blocking local road and I was forced to do a U - turn and go back on alternate route. So, I was curious to know what happened.

If I remember correctly, it was a work day, about 3 PM. A woman in an SUV was going north on a main thoroughfare and killed a 15 year old kid on a crosswalk. She run the red light. Now ... let me tell you attenuating circumstances ...

Was she drunk? No.
Was she speeding? No.
Was it raining severely restricting visibility? No.
Was any other weather phenomenon a factor? No.
Was sun in her eyes? No, she was driving north.
Was it a blind corner before the intersection? Nope, 2 miles straight.

So ... there are exactly ZERO attenuating circumstances for normal people who think logically. If she can fail to see a red light and kill in those conditions, without even being drunk or speeding for an excuse, explain to me why the $%#& did she keep her driver's license?

I can even agree that she got 2 years suspended for involuntary manslaughter, but WHY did she keep her license? How can you leave a person like that driving around us? Not. A. Single. Attenuating. Circumstance. Only piss-poor driving.

I am under more than a strong impression that you can kill anybody you want in this country (U.S.A.) - as long as you are sober and driving under speed limit, that's how brainwashed we are with this nonsense. Nonsense being speeding and drunk driving are the ONLY bad things you can do while driving - all else is "$hit happens" and "get out of the jail" card for free. Oh, sorry officer, first I didn't see him, then, when I tried left-right maneuvers to avoid him, he kept running in the front of my car, until I hit him - and I drove ALL AROUND the park trying to avoid him, but he kept jumping in the front of the car! OK, that's good enough, Sir, you are free to go.
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Great post, I question the same as you have stated.

I observe many driving 20-30mph over on 45mph county & city streets. Driving post dusk without headlights on and instrument cluster blazing bright. Right of way traffic non slowing for cross traffic or of vehicles merging on to right of way, a lot of t-bone accidents at speed. Constant roll overs across 4-5 lanes, many occupant ejections. Near 95+% never using directional signals for lane change...

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Tasteless related joke:

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A truck driver used to amuse himself by running over lawyers he would see walking down the side of the road. Every time he would see a lawyer walking along the road, he would swerve to hit him, and there would be a loud "THUMP" and then he would swerve back on the road. One day, as the truck driver was driving along he saw a priest hitch hiking. He thought he would do a good turn and pulled the truck over.

He asked the priest, "Where are you going, Father?".

"I'm going to the church 5 miles down the road," replied the priest.

"No problem, Father! I'll give you a lift. Climb in the truck."

The happy priest climbed into the passenger seat and the truck driver continued down the road. Suddenly, the truck driver saw a lawyer walking down the road, and instinctively he swerved to hit him. But since there was a priest in the truck with him, he closed his eyes to pretend that he had dozed off. His conscience started to bother him, worried about the priest. At the last minute, he swerved back to the road, narrowly missing the lawyer.

Even though he was certain he missed the lawyer, he still heard a loud "THUD".

Not understanding where the noise had come from, he glanced in his mirrors. When he didn't see anything, he turned to the priest and said, "I'm sorry Father. I think I just missed hitting that lawyer."

"That's okay", replied the priest. "I got him with the door!"
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Lawyer jokes are older than Shakespeare.

'The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers,'' Henry VI, Part II, Act IV.

Lawyers will tell you that it was a way to say how good lawyers are. They are full of sh!t, since Shakespeare loved jokes, and they are just trying to lawyer up a Shakespearean joke. You can take it to the bank that the audience laughed.
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smart phones should have a default mode that it will not work when it senses horizontal movements
Humans should have a default mode that stops the dumba$$ function
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Forgot one thing here. You think cellphones are bad? Wait until the pressure from morons modifying current cars to force video content on iDrive screens forces the automaker's hand and they force lawmaker's hand to make it legal and standard.

Why should any law-obeying citizen be prevented from binging on a Season 7 of "Suits" while safely parked in a mall parking lot or in their own garage, right? Doesn't automatically mean they will watch it while the car is moving. Everybody is innocent until proven guilty, do not put intentions on trial! (YES, SARCASM)
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Before Smartphones, I saw a guy reading a newspaper on his steering wheel in traffic on the freeway.
Tech just makes "stupid" easier.
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The Feds are pushing smartphone makers to block certain apps while driving.
http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/23/1...r-mode-pokemon
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Phone Makers Could Cut Off Drivers. So Why Don't They?
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/25/te...pgtype=article

Apple's Lockout Patent

In the Apple case in Texas, lawyers who brought the suit had unearthed a fascinating document: a patent filing that Apple made in 2008, which the lawyers said was granted in 2014, for technology that would "lock out" a driver's phone by using sensors to determine if the phone was moving and in use by a driver. If so, it would prevent certain functions, like texting.

Addicted to the Ping

In the case of distracted driving, Apple is not the only tech giant recognizing the dangerous behavior and not preventing it. Verizon, like Apple, suggests that current laws are insufficient. "While text messaging is banned for drivers in 46 states and the District of Columbia, many people continue to do it, despite knowing the dangers," Verizon says on a site that promotes free apps and other services available for iPhone and Android that can detect if a phone is being used by a driver and prevent texting.
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How would the phone know who is a driver and who is a passenger? When I drive my wife's car while she is in it, her phone uses the Bluetooth connection. So, how would any software know whether the phone is being used by a driver or a passenger?
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