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Old 11-18-2011, 02:00 PM
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F30 335is??

Does anyone know if the current 335is will cease production shortly since the new F30 models will begin hitting showrooms in February? If so, any idea as to when (and if) they'll release an "S" for the F30?

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Old 11-18-2011, 02:42 PM
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Outgoing 3 series sedan has already ceased production and they're making the new F30's now. M Sport version will be available in July 2012.
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Is that same true for the coupe? I guess if they do another 335is it will be a coupe again, meaning the F32. Is there news that anyone knows of whether they'll be a F32 335is? I'm asking because i'm considering getting out of my 2010 Audi S4 and into a 335is, but maybe I should just wait for the redesign.
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335is was a special series for the aging e9X family to spark the last bit of interest. I would be really surprised if they ever resurrect the 335is moniker with the current F3X line.
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I think you will eventually see the S, but not till the later years of the new generation.
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335is was a special series for the aging e9x family to spark the last bit of interest. I would be really surprised if they ever resurrect the 335is moniker with the current f3x line.
+1. I bet the F32 will have performance numbers that match the E92 335is anyway.
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Does anyone know if the current 335is will cease production shortly since the new F30 models will begin hitting showrooms in February? If so, any idea as to when (and if) they'll release an "S" for the F30?
The F30 is a new 3 Series Sedan which replaces the E90 Sedan. The 335is comes as either a Coupe (E92) or Convertible (E93). The E92 and E93 will continue for 2012 so the 335is will not cease production but will continue as a 2012 model.

There will not be an F30 335is because the F30 is a Sedan!
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Is that same true for the coupe? I guess if they do another 335is it will be a coupe again, meaning the F32. Is there news that anyone knows of whether they'll be a F32 335is? I'm asking because i'm considering getting out of my 2010 Audi S4 and into a 335is, but maybe I should just wait for the redesign.
There's no word on a 335is in the new model according to the sales person I spoke to, over here the M/Sport version won't become available until September which is slightly later than yourselves. I believe the release of the M/Sport will coincide with the introduction of xDrive in the 3 series here for a first.

Life at that point should become a lot more difficult for Audi, if they at least combine the xDrive with a sports package that is.
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+1. I bet the F32 will have performance numbers that match the E92 335is anyway.
Additional issue on the S is it carries a $4000 premium for marginal increase in performance and the ugly 335is plate on your dashboard
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Thanks for all of the replies! Didn't really think about the S as a way to enhance sales at the end of the model run...good point. I may just have to wait for the new M3 as I do want a step up in performance from my S4 and the 335i doesn't do it. Had a Z4M Coupe last and loved it...just bought my wife a 2012 X3 that we picked up last week and now I'm wanting a BMW for myself again!
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Additional issue on the S is it carries a $4000 premium for a 7% increase in performance, a killer exhaust, an extra water cooler, stiffer engine mounts, exclusive black chrome front grille and exhaust tips and the 335is plate on your dashboard
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Fixed.
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What's there to get?
20% more ponies that you can never really use in real life, 335is on your dash and instrument panel.
I know you love you 335is, Tom, but it is no where near worth the premium for limited and
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What's there to get?
20% more ponies that you can never really use in real life, 335is on your dash and instrument panel.
I know you love you 335is, Tom, but it is no where near worth the premium for limited and
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The 335is was a missed opportunity IMO. I was disappointed it didn't offer any performance advantage over the 335i with the Performance Package which also has the better N55 engine. If the 335is offered some real performance upgrades (bigger power boost, firmer suspension, bigger brakes, wider/better tires, lighter forged wheels, etc), used the N55 engine and let me ditch the odd aluminum trim I would have gotten it in a heartbeat.
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100% on target. Nicely stated.
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Does anyone know if the current 335is will cease production shortly since the new F30 models will begin hitting showrooms in February? If so, any idea as to when (and if) they'll release an "S" for the F30?

Yes there will be, in the 3rd model year.

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The 335is was a missed opportunity IMO. I was disappointed it didn't offer any performance advantage over the 335i with the Performance Package which also has the better N55 engine. If the 335is offered some real performance upgrades (bigger power boost, firmer suspension, bigger brakes, wider/better tires, lighter forged wheels, etc), used the N55 engine and let me ditch the odd aluminum trim I would have gotten it in a heartbeat.
Actually, a bit more than a 335i with a P.P., oil cooler and 2nd radiator and better exhaust.
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off topic from my original post, but I pulled the trigger on a 2012 335is, fully loaded, and i'm loving it!
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Nice. That N54 engine is amazing, isn't it?
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Nice. That N54 engine is amazing, isn't it?
It really is! The car just pulls so hard throughout the entire rev band. I'm already eyeing that Stage 2 chip from Dinan as well.
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Actually, a bit more than a 335i with a P.P., oil cooler and 2nd radiator and better exhaust.
The exhaust is good for sound, and the additional cooling capacity is only going to provide a performance improvement under very hard use at the track. If that were a priority, the suspension, brakes, differential and tires should have been upgraded as well, but they're the same as a 335i's. The 335i's V2 Power Kit also adds similar cooling enhancements.

Yes the $4000-7000 price premium does buy you a few things. My argument remains that it's buying you mainly cosmetic upgrades, minimal performance/functional upgrades and the option of a DCT, while using a lesser engine (IMO of course, N54 vs N55).
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The exhaust is good for sound, and the additional cooling capacity is only going to provide a performance improvement under very hard use at the track. If that were a priority, the suspension, brakes, differential and tires should have been upgraded as well, but they're the same as a 335i's. The 335i's V2 Power Kit also adds similar cooling enhancements.

Yes the $4000-7000 price premium does buy you a few things. My argument remains that it's buying you mainly cosmetic upgrades, minimal performance/functional upgrades and the option of a DCT, while using a lesser engine (IMO of course, N54 vs N55).
I shopped a 335i before lucking into an IS last week. After driving the two back-to-back I realized certain things that are hard to tell from a spec sheet. The significantly more aggressive exhaust sound, the contribution the cosmetics (blackout grill etc) make to the overall look, the Sport button for sharpened handling, the rear cosmetics with more body color and wind strakes, the nicer (IMO of course) styled wheels. The performance aspects like coolers etc I probably won't use (but may surprise myself), but good to know they're there. Car runs cool which has to extend the life of underhood parts.

And I've done a bit of reading on the differences between N54 and N55. Not only do the HPFP issues appear to be a thing of the past (as of MY 2011) but also BMW specs this engine for the flagship 7 base engine, as well as the Z4 IS. As the IS 'brand' is, and this is not up for argument, the performance leader for BMW once you set the M cars aside, for them to put in an 'inferior' engine in such cars would make little sense. IMO the statement this makes is that the (fixed) N54 engine is both superior as well as more tunable.

Having got the IS now I am very glad. Of course this can be put down to typical owner defensiveness, but that's ok if someone thinks so. I think the 335i is a great car and the IS is a great car taken a step further to become a great AND special car.

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Yea, that N54 motor was epic. I had it in my 335, thing was deffenily putting out more than 300 horsepower
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I shopped a 335i before lucking into an IS last week. After driving the two back-to-back I realized certain things that are hard to tell from a spec sheet. The significantly more aggressive exhaust sound, the contribution the cosmetics (blackout grill etc) make to the overall look, the Sport button for sharpened handling, the rear cosmetics with more body color and wind strakes, the nicer (IMO of course) styled wheels. The performance aspects like coolers etc I probably won't use (but may surprise myself), but good to know they're there. Car runs cool which has to extend the life of underhood parts.
I know the 335is pretty well, I had it on several test drives before deciding on the 335i M Sport. For me it wasn't cost, but unmet expectations of being a bridge between the 335i and M3 as well as still having the N54 engine. I wanted something new. Others have different priorities.

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And I've done a bit of reading on the differences between N54 and N55. Not only do the HPFP issues appear to be a thing of the past (as of MY 2011) but also BMW specs this engine for the flagship 7 base engine, as well as the Z4 IS. As the IS 'brand' is, and this is not up for argument, the performance leader for BMW once you set the M cars aside, for them to put in an 'inferior' engine in such cars would make little sense. IMO the statement this makes is that the (fixed) N54 engine is both superior as well as more tunable.
Being the "first" many internals of the N54 were supposedly overbuilt to ensure the engine could handle additional power. This made it well-suited for the higher output versions in the Z4 35is and 740i applications. However, it will be replaced with the N55 across the line, that's pretty much a certainty, like on the X5 35i and 535i. The N55 uses Valvetronic technology and the twin-scroll turbo demonstrates less lag - this coming from extensive experience with the N54. The N55 has a broader torque plateau and revs more freely and smoothly to redline. Earlier reliability issues aside the N54 wasn't a bad engine by any stretch - I wouldn't have owned 2 if it was, but to me the N55 is a clear improvement. And it should be, it's the newer replacement.

The N55 has also already proven to me to be significantly more fuel-efficient - this is reflected in higher EPA numbers as well. I am already getting 3 MPG better and I have the V1 Power Kit on my car.
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I know the 335is pretty well, I had it on several test drives before deciding on the 335i M Sport. For me it wasn't cost, but unmet expectations of being a bridge between the 335i and M3 as well as still having the N54 engine. I wanted something new. Others have different priorities.



Being the "first" many internals of the N54 were supposedly overbuilt to ensure the engine could handle additional power. This made it well-suited for the higher output versions in the Z4 35is and 740i applications. However, it will be replaced with the N55 across the line, that's pretty much a certainty, like on the X5 35i and 535i. The N55 uses Valvetronic technology and the twin-scroll turbo demonstrates less lag - this coming from extensive experience with the N54. The N55 has a broader torque plateau and revs more freely and smoothly to redline. Earlier reliability issues aside the N54 wasn't a bad engine by any stretch - I wouldn't have owned 2 if it was, but to me the N55 is a clear improvement. And it should be, it's the newer replacement.

The N55 has also already proven to me to be significantly more fuel-efficient - this is reflected in higher EPA numbers as well. I am already getting 3 MPG better and I have the V1 Power Kit on my car.
>What is the V1 or V2 "power kit"...from whom...BMW or Dinan?

>And why, then would BMW retain the N54 for it's PREMIUM line performance inline 6 cars...if the N55 was superior?
They would just use the N55 with a factory tune, and get ALL those "newer tech" advantages & better mpg's, you listed.

Speaking of the "IS" it has those power & cooling advantages over a 335i that perhaps can be added, 3rd party, HOWEVER, with the "IS" & BMW, it is ALL under warranty.
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