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Old 12-05-2011, 04:22 PM
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Old 12-05-2011, 05:10 PM
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sunny: ok I will call them tomorrow and schedule an appt.
Good luck. Let us know how it goes.
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Old 12-05-2011, 05:31 PM
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Old 12-06-2011, 05:59 PM
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Sunny: Thanks!! I sure need that!!
One more thing I forgot to mention: Always lock it when you park it overnight or for an extended time. This will put it in the appropriate sleep mode.
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Old 12-06-2011, 07:36 PM
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Hi ProRail: I always lock my car when I leave. The car stays at the deck, I don't have private garage. Thanks for this tip though
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Old 12-13-2011, 08:11 PM
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Hi Sunny: okie, before I get to send the car in, I received another "Increased Battery Discharge" this morning. Not sure if this has anything to do with the guy who was washing my car has the fob in his pocket for almost an hour. I actually took the car and ran it on highway yesterday and right after I received the "Increased Battery Discharge" today.

Anyway, I emailed the sales person who has apparently left the dealership but went on to another BMW one. He is very nice and replied promptly. He advised BMW batteries are very temperamental. He said if he leaves his M3 sitting in the garage, he will need to drive alot on highways the following week to keep it charged. He said if I don't drive at least 200 miles per week, then there is not enough activity to keep the battery charged.

What is your take on this?
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Old 12-13-2011, 08:47 PM
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Hi Sunny: okie, before I get to send the car in, I received another "Increased Battery Discharge" this morning. Not sure if this has anything to do with the guy who was washing my car has the fob in his pocket for almost an hour. I actually took the car and ran it on highway yesterday and right after I received the "Increased Battery Discharge" today.

Anyway, I emailed the sales person who has apparently left the dealership but went on to another BMW one. He is very nice and replied promptly. He advised BMW batteries are very temperamental. He said if he leaves his M3 sitting in the garage, he will need to drive alot on highways the following week to keep it charged. He said if I don't drive at least 200 miles per week, then there is not enough activity to keep the battery charged.

What is your take on this?
If I remember correctly you've begun to drive the car on the weekends in order to increase the average drive time. Given this and the battery continues to discharge I believe the battery needs to be replaced. I would take it to the dealer and insist they replace the battery.
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Old 12-13-2011, 09:00 PM
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I intend to talk to them when I bring it in. These few weeks I am just too busy. Yes, I have taken the car out on highways and the paranoid me even went on highways on a Monday morning before my day started, and today right after I received the message. I just replied my sales person saying I didn't know BMWs only need to be driven on highways and long distance, I won't consider another BMW in future.
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Old 12-14-2011, 05:59 AM
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I intend to talk to them when I bring it in. These few weeks I am just too busy. Yes, I have taken the car out on highways and the paranoid me even went on highways on a Monday morning before my day started, and today right after I received the message. I just replied my sales person saying I didn't know BMWs only need to be driven on highways and long distance, I won't consider another BMW in future.
I would recommend you withhold judgment until after the battery has been replaced and you've had some additional time to drive it on the replacement battery.
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Old 12-14-2011, 10:58 AM
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Hi Sunny! I know. But if my sales guy told me I need to drive at least 200 miles a week on a BMW. Don't you think BMW is not suitable for me?
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Old 12-14-2011, 11:08 AM
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Hi Sunny! I know. But if my sales guy told me I need to drive at least 200 miles a week on a BMW. Don't you think BMW is not suitable for me?
Possibly if the 200 miles per week number is accurate. However I'm not sure it is. My total weekly commute for work is 65 miles (6.5 miles one way). Add on a few 3 - 4 mile trips and I'm comfortably below 200 miles in a week. Given I haven't (yet) experienced an increased battery discharge warning I'm not sure 200 miles per week is accurate.

The only time I've received a battery warning was in my 2006 330xi which I hardly drove (which was why I ended up getting rid of it a couple of months ago). But the battery was the original so I was not surprised it needed to be replaced. Especially given how infrequently I drove it. The battery was replaced in March of this year and I had no issues with it despite the infrequent use (though I did make a 1,500 mile trip in May).

The only way to tell would be to replace your current battery and see how it holds up (or not). Given the battery continues to discharge despite the increased driving you're doing to keep it properly charged I believe it is bad.
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Old 12-14-2011, 12:19 PM
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Ok... i just read through this thread and I'm convinced that Terri's problem is one of two things:

1 - The battery is defective

or

2 - There is a problem with the car

My wife has virtually the same driving pattern as you do, Terri. Our 328 has never once been hooked up to a trickle charger and frequently goes weeks without being driven outside a 5 mile radius, and we've never seen a battery discharge warning (if my wife had experienced this, believe me, she would have let me know).

I realize this is not necessarily a cheap answer, but if you can, I'd suggest you take it to an independent BMW shop and ask them to test the battery. If it fails, then great... you've got an answer. If it passes, then I'd pay the Indy for his/her time and head back to the dealer. There's either a module that's not shutting down and causing a drain, OR, the original battery registration is incorrect and the car isn't charging the battery correctly while you're driving.

It's very possible I've missed a post when someone has ruled these possibilities out, but I really think your driving pattern isn't to blame. We've been putting < 200/week on our car for almost 24 months without a problem.

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Old 12-14-2011, 06:16 PM
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Hello Sunny: I am bringing the car in next week. Let's see what they say. I took the car out on the highway again. I read somewhere but not sure if it is true, that a 30minutes drive on highway is sufficient to charge up the battery. Let's see. I have actually done that the past 3 days.
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Old 12-14-2011, 06:31 PM
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Hello rtgirard: Thank you for writing. I am happy to learn your wife does not have the same problem as me though her driving pattern is identical to mine. It is very frustrating. People here have been very patient and helpful. I am very thankful for that.

On the other hand, I am very puzzled and getting all confused (inside my head) becos that is what some people been saying here in the forum and of cos the service center, ie Driving in the city or not putting the car on highway or not driving the car far = battery not charged up = "Increased Battery Discharge" Some people seem to have such problem but some lucky ones like Sunny5280 and your wife have no such issue.

Your suggestion is good. I don't think anyone has suggested your "There's either a module that's not shutting down and causing a drain, OR, the original battery registration is incorrect and the car isn't charging the battery correctly while you're driving." I will bring these possibilities up when I head to the service center next week. Then again, it is outright obvious I know nothing about cars, and I am at the mercy of the BMW service center. I know many female drivers are really knowledgeable about their cars, unfortunately I am not one of them and I am sure the BMW service guys know.

What is an independent BMW shop? You mean an auto shop? I wonder if places like Pepboys can test battery. Oh, someone suggested a digital voltmeter cos I want to test the battery if it is holding the charge. With a digital voltmeter, is the test the same like what you have suggested? I know experts in this forum like to say Indy, what exactly is Indy? I am trying to create a detailed log for the car battery but I am just too swarmed with things to do this week and next. I believe I already hit 100miles just these 3 days (M-W) but my sales person "at least 200 miles" is not encouraging at all.
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Old 12-14-2011, 07:33 PM
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An Indy is

A shop that specializes in BMW repair but is not a dealer or directly associated with BMW.
Often the staff will be mechanics that have worked at BMW dealerships and the better shops will have sent there mechanics to BMW training schools to keep there knowledge current . So they will have specific knowledge on your car .
Sometime they will do other Euro Cars to.
They will charge you much less for the same repairs than what you would get
at most dealerships.
There is a list of known good ones somewhere on this board I think.
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Old 12-14-2011, 07:59 PM
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What is an independent BMW shop? You mean an auto shop? I wonder if places like Pepboys can test battery. Oh, someone suggested a digital voltmeter cos I want to test the battery if it is holding the charge. With a digital voltmeter, is the test the same like what you have suggested? I know experts in this forum like to say Indy, what exactly is Indy? I am trying to create a detailed log for the car battery but I am just too swarmed with things to do this week and next. I believe I already hit 100miles just these 3 days (M-W) but my sales person "at least 200 miles" is not encouraging at all.
I would not bother with the voltmeter as to obtain anything useful would require more familiarity with electronics than I suspect you have. You could take it to a place like Pepboys for a load test which would be a better gauge of the battery condition.

However the most telling thing to me is you've been driving the car and the battery continues to become exhausted despite the increased driving you've been doing. This suggests the battery is no longer capable of holding a sufficient charge for any length of time and needs to be replaced. Keep in mind Acoms Razor ("The simplest explanation tends to be the correct one.")
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Old 12-14-2011, 08:28 PM
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Ok... i just read through this thread and I'm convinced that Terri's problem is one of two things:

1 - The battery is defective

or

2 - There is a problem with the car

My wife has virtually the same driving pattern as you do, Terri. Our 328 has never once been hooked up to a trickle charger and frequently goes weeks without being driven outside a 5 mile radius, and we've never seen a battery discharge warning (if my wife had experienced this, believe me, she would have let me know).

I realize this is not necessarily a cheap answer, but if you can, I'd suggest you take it to an independent BMW shop and ask them to test the battery. If it fails, then great... you've got an answer. If it passes, then I'd pay the Indy for his/her time and head back to the dealer. There's either a module that's not shutting down and causing a drain, OR, the original battery registration is incorrect and the car isn't charging the battery correctly while you're driving.

It's very possible I've missed a post when someone has ruled these possibilities out, but I really think your driving pattern isn't to blame. We've been putting < 200/week on our car for almost 24 months without a problem.

Good luck!
After 5 Pages... Yes!!!!

RT: My driving patterns are very similar you yours (and your wife). In fact I easily only put 100 -150 miles per week on my 328 Cabrio (at 28 months of ownership I'm just shy of 16K). I am careful about not opening the top excessively without the car engine running, but I've never ever ever gotten any battery drain warnings and that is with regular 7-10 day "time outs" (every 6-8 weeks between may and september) where the car is parked in the garage when we go on va-kay to Europe.

I think Terri has a bad battery. Or at least didn't get the "Stronger Electrical Supply" indicated on my Monroney sticker.

The more I read on this thread the more I'm thinking defective battery.
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Old 12-14-2011, 09:09 PM
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Ctuna: hello again!! Thanks for the explanation. I sure feel like an idiot here

There is no one shop here that specializes in BMWs but I think there is a shop in my area which mainly repairs European cars. I may check with them.

Thanks again. Sunny thinks a voltmeter won't help me given my extreme lack of electronic skill ;P I guess so *sigh*
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Old 12-14-2011, 09:17 PM
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sunny: ok you are right about my lack of electronic skills. I thought I just need to note readings on the voltmeter to see if the battery has any increased of charge after say I take it to highways or if it maintains a charge say after I get it fully charged at the dealer. Ok, I hate to admit but keeping it real, I wonder if I even know how to open the hood. I need to prep myself when I go into the service center next week. I wonder if the service center will pinned it on my first 7 months of unfavorable driving pattern and thereby refused to replace the battery. The technician did say battery is not covered under warranty
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Old 12-14-2011, 09:24 PM
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Hello Nordic: today the weather is sunny at 70F n I didn't even put the top down. Well, I just have to put the facts out to the service center and see what they say. For some reasons, I don't think they will easily replace the battery for free Thanks for writing, at least now I know there are some of you who have similar driving patterns as me but have none of my issue.
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Hi yikes, Sunny, Ctuna and all..

I have dropped my car this morning for another round of checkup.. The SA just called and said the #1 cause is Terminal 15 was on (according to the diagnostic test). He said basically that is like leaving the keyfob in the car. I told him that's totally an error then cos I live on the 9th floor, the car parked on the 5th. I locked my car every time I parked and of cos the keyfob goes with me home on the 9th. He said he understood what I was saying, but if they submit the test to BMW, BMW will not pay for the new battery. I said that was the same diagnosis the last time, Terminal 15 was on. But that time no one wanted to explain about #1 Cause, ie terminal 15 was on but all blamed it on my "unfavorable driving pattern". So I told him I should not be paying the battery cos now he was telling me the cause of this irrational battery pattern was due to "Terminal 15"? He said he would talk to his Manager. That was more than an hour ago when he called, he hasn't call back. So I am wondering even if the battery is replaced, the problem, ie the faulty Terminal 15 , still needs to be fixed. Seems like their solution is just to replace battery.
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Old 12-21-2011, 03:27 PM
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oh I mean I did not tell the SA why they just blame on my "unfavorable driving pattern" and zero mention on the "Terminal 15 was on" the last time. I just find that they simply blame it on my few miles in the car. This morning he just said 600+ miles for 4 weeks are really too few
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oh I mean I did not tell the SA why they just blame on my "unfavorable driving pattern" and zero mention on the "Terminal 15 was on" the last time. I just find that they simply blame it on my few miles in the car. This morning he just said 600+ miles for 4 weeks are really too few
Tell that POS Dealer to get off thier Asses and Fix your Frickin Car!!!!

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