2009 Carrera S or F30 M3

Originally Posted by logicalthought

>>In a weird way the 991 seems more BMWish. I prefer the real deal.<<

The first part of this is (sadly) undoubtedly true, but your preference for "the real deal" when "the real deal" underperforms the 991 in every metric except "rear legroom" doesn't make sense to me (assuming that we're leaving "price" out of the equation, which I admit is a huge assumption).

Your right - my conclusion is not logical, but sports cars in general are less about logic and more about passion.

I find that I uniquely "connect" to my M3 on the level of passion. Aesthetically and dynamically, irrespective of cost, I consider my M3 to be sublime. My M3 exquisitely addresses my needs and desires. In the past, only my modded 930 engendered such passion. What can I say...I like it.

When my lease is nearing its end, the 991 will be on my very short list. Alternatively, I may keep my M3. No bad choices....

Originally Posted by vexed

Where is Dave Has he decided.

I have only seen and sat in the 991, the good and bad news is apparently it is easier to drive fast than the 997. And if they did increase the rear seat room it would be just to make it more tolerable for the kids, and now there are Latch points.

No 997.2 or 991 S here. My new ride is a 2007 911 Turbo (997.1), 6 spd. Had it shipped here from CA. This beast is FAST. It's amazingly fast. I can't prove it, but it seems like everyone at the stop light next to me wants to see me light it up. The local Houston Porsche dealer handed me the key to a red 2013 Boxster S with PDK. Yes, the PDK shifts fast. It is nice to have both hands on the wheel all the time. The 991 S PDK was out that day so I will go back for a test drive soon. From what I hear the 991 S is 8 seconds faster then the 997.2 S around Nordschleife, which the latter time was under 8 minutes. Never felt 911 buyers care about back seat space, but Porsche did try to advertise that it is also weekend car to go to the likes of Home Depot to pickup a few pieces of 2x4s. I don't like all the electronic gizmos in the new cars, including the Porsches. I think the real driver's car is the Porsche GT3 RS, something to drool for at the Porsche dealer next to the museum this last May. BTW, Porsche doesn't know how to present the history of their cars. My opinion, if you want to see a real car museum, the MBZ in Stuttgart should be on the top of your list. The video/audio presentation gives you not only the history of MBZ, but also how the company was an integral of Germany and the rest of the world. Hitting Germany again in early December to purchase some handcrafted gifts at the historical Christmas markets, and next April and August, 2013. Early retirement is really rough.

Originally Posted by allegretto

This quote, as written would pretty much be evidence that you are not "Da King of Common Sense" you proclaim to be.

"Better" is a relative and non-specific adjective. it leaves unanswered what metric is being employed. If one has different dynamics the term becomes meaningless. Only pre-decided agreement gives it relevance.

The rest of your post...? It is easy to infer that you are not very or quite mature. But perhaps you didn't really mean that...

Boy did I hit your nerve! I am not going into a philosophical discussion of "better" as you tried to do. Sarcasm aside, no modern sport/race car would ever put the engine in the back. Like front wheel drive, Dr. Porsche put the engine in the back to maximum space for the passenger. From there, you know the history. Now, if the Porsche engineers would face the facts, and put more of their effort in engine and suspension development instead of taming a rear engine car, Porsche would be better off. Clarkson Thriller "...and Porsche has finally managed big power and putting the engine in the wrong place...". So long as Porsche continues to refine the 911, I will continue to favor it. But, the little brother Cayman is waiting for the day when the 911 dies.

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