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E90/E92/E93 M3 (2008 - 2014)
4th generation E90 M3 sedan, E92 M3 coupe and E93 M3 convertible. The last of the naturally aspirated M3s, powered by a 4.0 liter V8 making 414hp and 295 lb-ft of torque.

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Old 04-13-2012, 02:12 PM
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>>In a weird way the 991 seems more BMWish. I prefer the real deal.<<

The first part of this is (sadly) undoubtedly true, but your preference for "the real deal" when "the real deal" underperforms the 991 in every metric except "rear legroom" doesn't make sense to me (assuming that we're leaving "price" out of the equation, which I admit is a huge assumption).
Your right - my conclusion is not logical, but sports cars in general are less about logic and more about passion.

I find that I uniquely "connect" to my M3 on the level of passion. Aesthetically and dynamically, irrespective of cost, I consider my M3 to be sublime. My M3 exquisitely addresses my needs and desires. In the past, only my modded 930 engendered such passion. What can I say...I like it.

When my lease is nearing its end, the 991 will be on my very short list. Alternatively, I may keep my M3. No bad choices....
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Where is Dave Has he decided.

I have only seen and sat in the 991, the good and bad news is apparently it is easier to drive fast than the 997. And if they did increase the rear seat room it would be just to make it more tolerable for the kids, and now there are Latch points.
No 997.2 or 991 S here. My new ride is a 2007 911 Turbo (997.1), 6 spd. Had it shipped here from CA. This beast is FAST. It's amazingly fast. I can't prove it, but it seems like everyone at the stop light next to me wants to see me light it up. The local Houston Porsche dealer handed me the key to a red 2013 Boxster S with PDK. Yes, the PDK shifts fast. It is nice to have both hands on the wheel all the time. The 991 S PDK was out that day so I will go back for a test drive soon. From what I hear the 991 S is 8 seconds faster then the 997.2 S around Nordschleife, which the latter time was under 8 minutes. Never felt 911 buyers care about back seat space, but Porsche did try to advertise that it is also weekend car to go to the likes of Home Depot to pickup a few pieces of 2x4s. I don't like all the electronic gizmos in the new cars, including the Porsches. I think the real driver's car is the Porsche GT3 RS, something to drool for at the Porsche dealer next to the museum this last May. BTW, Porsche doesn't know how to present the history of their cars. My opinion, if you want to see a real car museum, the MBZ in Stuttgart should be on the top of your list. The video/audio presentation gives you not only the history of MBZ, but also how the company was an integral of Germany and the rest of the world. Hitting Germany again in early December to purchase some handcrafted gifts at the historical Christmas markets, and next April and August, 2013. Early retirement is really rough.



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Old 07-24-2012, 05:41 AM
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This quote, as written would pretty much be evidence that you are not "Da King of Common Sense" you proclaim to be.

"Better" is a relative and non-specific adjective. it leaves unanswered what metric is being employed. If one has different dynamics the term becomes meaningless. Only pre-decided agreement gives it relevance.

The rest of your post...? It is easy to infer that you are not very or quite mature. But perhaps you didn't really mean that...
Boy did I hit your nerve! I am not going into a philosophical discussion of "better" as you tried to do. Sarcasm aside, no modern sport/race car would ever put the engine in the back. Like front wheel drive, Dr. Porsche put the engine in the back to maximum space for the passenger. From there, you know the history. Now, if the Porsche engineers would face the facts, and put more of their effort in engine and suspension development instead of taming a rear engine car, Porsche would be better off. Clarkson Thriller "...and Porsche has finally managed big power and putting the engine in the wrong place...". So long as Porsche continues to refine the 911, I will continue to favor it. But, the little brother Cayman is waiting for the day when the 911 dies.
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Old 10-22-2013, 03:25 PM
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In April I swapped my 2011 M3 convertible for the new Boxster S and couldn't be happier! For me, those 1200 extra pounds made all the (fun-robbing) difference in the world.
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Boxtsers are fun... raw as hell. The c2s is the better be if you take care of it. You'll be able to get more for it on the backend if you dont rockstar it into a tree or a pool.

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Old 10-22-2013, 03:52 PM
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Boxtsers are fun... raw as hell. The c2s is the better be if you take care of it. You'll be able to get more for it on the backend if you dont rockstar it into a tree or a pool.

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Actually, for better or worse (mostly better, except perhaps the steering feedback) a lot of the "rawness" is gone from the new Boxster/Cayman-- if you haven't driven one yet, you should. Of course, if you need the M3's back seats it's a non-starter.
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Thats a shame. I love the 986 and 987 rawness. I just didnt like where the engine was, hard to work on. That's why I ended up with a z4.

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I have an '04 M3 vert and '11 M3 and they're both fun but compared to my 997 C4S, its no comparison.
I test drove the new 991 C4S w/PCB and it's a stunner and the best sports car for daily use. There are faster but overall performance, handling, looks (even seats 4 if necessary), but there is no comparison. The new 991 GT3 has won several awards.
The M3's are like fast Grand Tourers. With fuel and driver, it's over 3,750lbs. Unless you upgrade the factory brakes, they fade after a few laps. And the suspension is relatively soft even with adjustable suspension. With that said, for go fast street use M3's are fine.
Will be interesting to see if BMW comes out with M2. If the new M2 is real and stays around 3,200lbs with close to 400hp, I would consider it.
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Very true......the Cayman S is a fundamentally better car that is being held back on purpose to make 911 look better. The sooner Porsche realizes that to hold it back is a grave mistake the better it will be. They need to take it in a different direction and unleash its potential. Make it the performance leader.

On the side note can you imagine what they can do to the Cayman S if they really had no boundaries. Just taking one look at the GT3 makes you drool at the endless possibilities in an overall fundamentally better car. If Porsche would make a Cayman GT3 version..........can't we all dream. It would probably put the 911 GT3 out to pasture........hard to imagine any such thing cause 911 GT3 is that good. But I am lookinf forward to the days when Cayman becomes the performance leader...........bring on Cayman GT3 version Porsche.


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Very true......the Cayman S is a fundamentally better car that is being held back on purpose to make 911 look better. The sooner Porsche realizes that to hold it back is a grave mistake the better it will be. They need to take it in a different direction and unleash its potential. Make it the performance leader.

On the side note can you imagine what they can do to the Cayman S if they really had no boundaries. Just look one look at the GT3 makes you drool at the possibilities.
I really like the new Cayman and even Boxster - they're beautiful and perfectly balanced.
I drive all my cars regularly so I need the additional seats in the back.
If I didn't need the extra seats, Cayman S all the way.
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You pay up the nose buying new. Maybe a used 997 GT3?

Nordschleife excluding GP track, 20.832 kms:
the 2012 Carrera S is said to be 8 seconds faster and the '09 S, with only 15 hp increase. I find it hard to believe.
7:58 --- 156.66 km/h - 2009 Porsche Carrera S (manual transmission) http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=127326
7:59 --- 154.82 km/h - Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM setting "Performance" (Walter Roehrl, WHEELS 06/ 2004)

7:50 --- 157.79 km/h - BMW E46 M3 CSL, 360 PS/1421 kg (sport auto 08/03)
8:05 --- 152.91 km/h - BMW M3, 420 PS/1608 kg (sport auto 12/07) http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...D=2&tID=145617

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Purely my opinion...

I have an '04 M3 vert and '11 M3 and they're both fun but compared to my 997 C4S, its no comparison.
I test drove the new 991 C4S w/PCB and it's a stunner and the best sports car for daily use. There are faster but overall performance, handling, looks (even seats 4 if necessary), but there is no comparison. The new 991 GT3 has won several awards.
The M3's are like fast Grand Tourers. With fuel and driver, it's over 3,750lbs. Unless you upgrade the factory brakes, they fade after a few laps. And the suspension is relatively soft even with adjustable suspension. With that said, for go fast street use M3's are fine.
Will be interesting to see if BMW comes out with M2. If the new M2 is real and stays around 3,200lbs with close to 400hp, I would consider it.

The M235i should be pretty sexy as an interim car while waiting for the M2.

"From launch, your meatiest engine choice will be the M235i, which, with a 3.0-litre, 326bhp twin-turbo six, will crack 0–60mph in under five seconds.

At some point down the line we’ll see an M2 (or perhaps 2M?) which, if it retains even half the sparkle of its predecessor, 2011’s sublime 1M, will be a mighty thing. Until then, we suspect the M235i shall keep us content."

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In April I swapped my 2011 M3 convertible for the new Boxster S and couldn't be happier! For me, those 1200 extra pounds made all the (fun-robbing) difference in the world.
Is that the difference between the BMW E93 M3's advertised "Unladen" weight of
4145 lbs and the 2976 lbs "Curb" weight found on the Porsche site?
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