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Old 05-08-2012, 09:27 AM
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The Gran Coupe...are you thinking about it?...are you going to do it?

I'm posting this thread about the Gran Coupe here because, more than for 6 and 7 Series owners, I think this car would have a natural appeal to 5 Series drivers because of its size and performance aspects. I've been following the development of the Gran Coupe rather closely because I have always been attracted to so-called "executive performance sedans" and, particularly, those that perhaps offer significantly more than their average counterparts. I like the looks of the Gran Coupe and the performance figures...0 to 60 in the mid 4sec range...are down right stunning if true. I also like that, apparently, buyers will be able to order the car in a wide variety of exterior/interior choices. I can't say for certain that the GC will be next for me, but I'm very eager to see and try it out in person.
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Old 05-08-2012, 09:50 AM
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it has +45hp (445 hp) and +30 ftlb (480) tq than a 550. full LED headlight.

In Canada, each dealer will be allocated to just 1 - 2 GC at the beginning (sch. to arrive mid Sep). Given the price for Canada is still not known yet.

Just spoken to one of the dealer here. Whatever the price sets at, they will be asking for the full price.

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It's just too much freaking money, IMO. I guess if you can afford it, you can afford it. But sheesh, when you can get a CLS 63 AMG for roughly the same price as a six cylinder 640i GC, well, that's just a bit damning, no?
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The 4-door coupe styling has always appealed to me. I love the looks of all of them (Merc CLS, Audi A7, VW CC and now BMW 6 Gran Coupe). Now that BMW has an offering of this style it'll be the first car I drive when I'm in the market to change the 5.
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I don't think I would do the 650GC since the M5 is a better car for the money. I would do either M5 or M6GC.

I will probably place an order for an M5 ED this week.
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I would much rather go get an S7, CLS63 or M5 because the 6GC is completely overpriced. No reason why a I6 640i should be so much
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I don't think I would do the 650GC since the M5 is a better car for the money. I would do either M5 or M6GC.

I will probably place an order for an M5 ED this week.
Is it conformed that they're making an M6GC?! That would be awesome!
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I don't think I would do the 650GC since the M5 is a better car for the money. I would do either M5 or M6GC.

I will probably place an order for an M5 ED this week.
What will happen to your 550?
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by the way, one M5 owner in Europe had problem with the springs which BMW has already acknowldeged and will be coming out with new springs in December 2012.

The current springs are not supportive for bumpy & rough road (like cobblestone) in some European countries.

read his thread over at M5post

http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthr...=656996&page=3


Also another thread that talked about brake dust clogging the drill holes in the M5 brake discs.


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I don't think I would do the 650GC since the M5 is a better car for the money. I would do either M5 or M6GC.

I will probably place an order for an M5 ED this week.
Congratulations on the M5 order! That car doesn't come cheap either. I have to disagree with your comparison of the GC to the M5 though...only because, to me, they are entirely different velicles. The M5 is a no holds barred muscle car...as in that's what it is and that's what it does. The description I would tag onto the M5 is "deliciously vicious". The car is just lethal to me. Words such as those don't come to mind for me when describing the GC.
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Is it conformed that they're making an M6GC?! That would be awesome!
There are videos of the M6GC test mule on youtube right now!
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I will definitely be taking a look. I'm very interested.
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Congratulations on the M5 order! That car doesn't come cheap either. I have to disagree with your comparison of the GC to the M5 though...only because, to me, they are entirely different velicles. The M5 is a no holds barred muscle car...as in that's what it is and that's what it does. The description I would tag onto the M5 is "deliciously vicious". The car is just lethal to me. Words such as those don't come to mind for me when describing the GC.
Having driven the F10 M5 I find it just as comfortable and drive able in day to day use as my 550i. In fact ride quality is better than 550i on run flats, and certainly better than a 550i with Dinan springs.

That's what is awesome about here M5 it is Jekyll and Hyde.
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I will sell it. I have a Sept 3rd ED date on the M5.
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It's just too much freaking money, IMO. I guess if you can afford it, you can afford it. But sheesh, when you can get a CLS 63 AMG for roughly the same price as a six cylinder 640i GC, well, that's just a bit damning, no?
A CLS 63 is a lot more if I have correctly read the anticipated prices of the Grand Coupe. I have a friend who has a CLS63 on order. They start at just over 100K. Most of them are around $110-$115.

As to the OP's question, I like the Grand Coupe, but it's simply more than I want to spend by about $20k or so.
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A CLS 63 is a lot more if I have correctly read the anticipated prices of the Grand Coupe. I have a friend who has a CLS63 on order. They start at just over 100K. Most of them are around $110-$115.

As to the OP's question, I like the Grand Coupe, but it's simply more than I want to spend by about $20k or so.
CLS has a lot of standard equipment. I tend to buy everything except rear seat entertainment, carbon brakes, and radar cruise. When I looked up my requirements, prices came out as follows:

CLS63 107
650GC 105
M5. 105

So all roughly same.
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Going off the pics, the interior for the 6GC seems positively delicious - more so than the A7 (never a fan of Audi interiors) and the CLS.

That said, it seems to be way overpriced for what I can afford now
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Here's what Top Gear has to say about the GC...

This isn't quite a competitor to the Mercedes CLS. Just as well really, given how late it is to that particular party. Instead it's bigger and more expensive - into Panamera territory. This makes it subtly grander than the Benz. (Well it would be subtle if this particular one wasn't trimmed in the optional dazzling white and queasy brown. Other decors are available.)

This sheer size makes it cumbersome for threading down narrow streets. But in compensation, it's an immensely fine thing to behold. The proportions are flat, broad and low. And BMW's designers have made the most of it by folding the surfaces beautifully and adding tasteful, lush detail.

Like a shark, the Gran Coupe looks like it's made to swim fast and far. And that's how it feels too. It'll snake its way down a back-road with effortless authority, and then swallow immense motorway stretches without the slightest burp.

All the while you'll be sitting in an environment that's more lush than the typical BMW, and lower to the road. And while the people in the back seats won't be stretching out like they can in a 7-series, neither will they be contorted in bitterness.

Engine wise, you can have the 640i or 640d, both with turbo straight-sixes. The petrol makes 320bhp, has no apparent turbo lag and sings like a bird. But the diesel, at a similar 313bhp, is still well worth listening to, and drinks less fuel while it's at it. Both make great use of an eight-speed auto 'box.

This might be a big saloon, but careful use of materials keeps the weight in check. It has aluminium bonnet and doors, plastics for the front wings and bootlid, and lots of aluminium in the suspension structure. That all helps keep the performance suitably majestic. Both engines get to 60mph in about five seconds.

I drove cars with the optional active steering. It takes away too much steering feel. All of it in fact. So you won't get quite the sense of connection a Porsche Panamera gives you. But the agility and precision are there for the taking. Best of all is the way the suspension - on adaptive dampers and Dynamic Drive active anti-roll bars - keeps itself under control on typical bumpy surfaces. It corners and rides with a nonchalant fluency.

Last year I couldn't quite make sense of the regular two-door 640 coupe. It's not a sports car, yet it felt too big and cumbersome for a 2+2. But this Gran Coupe spin-off looks better and is just as good to drive. It feels special inside, and it shares that special feeling between four grown-ups instead of two. A grand and generous car.


So...is the Panamera BMW's real target with this car?
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I don't think I would do the 650GC since the M5 is a better car for the money. I would do either M5 or M6GC.

I will probably place an order for an M5 ED this week.
Agreed. Had the M6(in my avatar) and would love the M5 for space for my dogs(occasionally ) !
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CLS has a lot of standard equipment. I tend to buy everything except rear seat entertainment, carbon brakes, and radar cruise. When I looked up my requirements, prices came out as follows:

CLS63 107
650GC 105
M5. 105

So all roughly same.
Thanks for sharing that. I didn't realize they were that close (but the quote I referred to stated that the 640 was the same price). Either way, the BMW is pretty pricey.
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A CLS 63 is a lot more if I have correctly read the anticipated prices of the Grand Coupe. I have a friend who has a CLS63 on order. They start at just over 100K. Most of them are around $110-$115.

As to the OP's question, I like the Grand Coupe, but it's simply more than I want to spend by about $20k or so.
No, they start at $95k.

They are also well optioned. It's easy to keep it under $110k unless you pop for the Carbon brakes or go Designo.

However, it's not hard at all to get the 640 GC to about $95k. That's without Individual colors or interior, full LED's, night vision, etc.

So they are pretty comparable. In price. Not so much in performance. 330HP I-6 vs. a 500 plus HP twin turbo V8.

Just don't see why it's so expensive....
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No, they start at $95k.

They are also well optioned. It's easy to keep it under $110k unless you pop for the Carbon brakes or go Designo.

However, it's not hard at all to get the 640 GC to about $95k. That's without Individual colors or interior, full LED's, night vision, etc.

So they are pretty comparable. In price. Not so much in performance. 330HP I-6 vs. a 500 plus HP twin turbo V8.

Just don't see why it's so expensive....
Yes, you are correct at where they start. I've been to a lot of dealers looking at them, but it's been a few months. All of the stock cars list for over 100...usually 110 or more. My friend had hell trying to buy one. They sell like hot cakes. He finally ordered a 2013.

I agree that the Grand Coupe is pricy. But I thought the same thing about the 5 series compared to the competition because they make so many things options that we take for granted even on cars under $40k (such as heated seats for example). The upside for those of us who lease is that we can lease a BMW that costs $10,000 more than the competition for about the same monthly payment. But that doesn't change that the Grand Coupe is very pricey for being basically a 5 series. But the same can be said for the CLS versus the E class M-B and the Audi A7 versus the virtally identical A6.
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