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Old 12-20-2011, 09:21 PM
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09 vs 12 X5

New to site. Was convinced that buying used was going to be the route that I took this time around but now second guessing. Comparing 2 deals:

2009 BMW X5 30i in Space Gray metallic with black leather, 31,600 miles, Cold Weather package (heated seats front & rear, steering wheel), Premium package (leather, garage door opener, Bluetooth, power trunklid operation, more), Rear Climate package (privacy glass, rear window sunshades, rear seat a/c controls), Technology package (navigation, parking sensors, rear-view camera), iPod integration, BMW warranty and free maintenance in effect until 12/2/2012 or 50,000 miles, BMW Certified with warranty benefits until 12/2/2014 or 100,000 miles.
Priced at 40k versus

2012 x5 3.5i with Convenience and cold weather package, running boards, walnut, and satellite for 56975 after 4k incentive. I think we get an additional 1 k on financing.

16k spread for 3 year differential seems to favor new over used, plus I love that new car smell. Dealer talked turbo on 12 vs 09. Does it make an impact?

Thoughts on deals. Wasn't really looking at new models so am I overlooking anything?

Love the experience we have had on our 07 525i that we bought new so another factor toward new.
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Old 12-20-2011, 09:26 PM
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New to site. Was convinced that buying used was going to be the route that I took this time around but now second guessing. Comparing 2 deals:

2009 BMW X5 30i in Space Gray metallic with black leather, 31,600 miles, Cold Weather package (heated seats front & rear, steering wheel), Premium package (leather, garage door opener, Bluetooth, power trunklid operation, more), Rear Climate package (privacy glass, rear window sunshades, rear seat a/c controls), Technology package (navigation, parking sensors, rear-view camera), iPod integration, BMW warranty and free maintenance in effect until 12/2/2012 or 50,000 miles, BMW Certified with warranty benefits until 12/2/2014 or 100,000 miles.
Priced at 40k versus

2012 x5 3.5i with Convenience and cold weather package, running boards, walnut, and satellite for 56975 after 4k incentive. I think we get an additional 1 k on financing.

16k spread for 3 year differential seems to favor new over used, plus I love that new car smell. Dealer talked turbo on 12 vs 09. Does it make an impact?

Thoughts on deals. Wasn't really looking at new models so am I overlooking anything?

Love the experience we have had on our 07 525i that we bought new so another factor toward new.

I would try to get a new car. Newer engine on 35i seems to perform better and a bit more more fuel efficient. Plus Nav software or iDrive is updated in 2010 I believe. So it is HD not DVD i think. Correct me if I am wrong.

16k spread over 3 years - well.. that is a personal financial choice that you need to make but I would get a new car. How long do you keep your car for??
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Old 12-20-2011, 09:31 PM
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New to site. Was convinced that buying used was going to be the route that I took this time around but now second guessing. Comparing 2 deals:

2009 BMW X5 30i in Space Gray metallic with black leather, 31,600 miles, Cold Weather package (heated seats front & rear, steering wheel), Premium package (leather, garage door opener, Bluetooth, power trunklid operation, more), Rear Climate package (privacy glass, rear window sunshades, rear seat a/c controls), Technology package (navigation, parking sensors, rear-view camera), iPod integration, BMW warranty and free maintenance in effect until 12/2/2012 or 50,000 miles, BMW Certified with warranty benefits until 12/2/2014 or 100,000 miles.
Priced at 40k versus

2012 x5 3.5i with Convenience and cold weather package, running boards, walnut, and satellite for 56975 after 4k incentive. I think we get an additional 1 k on financing.

16k spread for 3 year differential seems to favor new over used, plus I love that new car smell. Dealer talked turbo on 12 vs 09. Does it make an impact?

Thoughts on deals. Wasn't really looking at new models so am I overlooking anything?

Love the experience we have had on our 07 525i that we bought new so another factor toward new.
Absolutely go with the new car, the newer engine is FAR superior. Additionally, if you were to go with the 35d, there's an extra $2500 Eco Credit.

As I guide, you should be paying about $500 over invoice BEFORE all rebates are applied. You can calculate invoice price on www.bmwconfig.com
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Old 12-20-2011, 11:38 PM
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It is a completely different engine, not "just a turbo" on the newer model.

The new engine is more powerful and more fuel efficient than its predecessor. Plus, it has the 8-speed automatic (the older car only has a 6-speed auto). Add it up, and the new model is quicker than the diesel!

I'd go with the new one without hesitation.

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Old 12-21-2011, 02:11 AM
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I test drove the 30i a few years back and felt it was a bit under powered. I had to really get on the gas to get X5 moving at a good clip. Not so with the 35i. It's a great motor with plenty of power and low end torque to get that big X5 moving. If the difference is only 16k (assuming you can't get a better deal), I would go with the 2012.
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Old 12-21-2011, 05:16 AM
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16k spread for 3 year differential seems to favor new over used, plus I love that new car smell. Dealer talked turbo on 12 vs 09. Does it make an impact?
As others have said the difference between the two engines is significant. To give you an idea of the difference the 2012 six cylinder is faster to 60 MPH than the 2009 eight cylinder (4.8) while having better fuel economy.
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Old 12-21-2011, 01:15 PM
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The plan is to keep for at least 5 on new if not longer. Looking at price of about 500 over invoice after a performance incentive. Not sure what the performance incentive means but feels like a fair deal. Any thoughts to the contrary?

Thanks for all input. Just test drove 12 x5i premium and I like it. Didn't feel any lag off starts which a few reveiws talked about.
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Old 12-21-2011, 01:24 PM
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Absolutely go with the new car, the newer engine is FAR superior. Additionally, if you were to go with the 35d, there's an extra $2500 Eco Credit.

As I guide, you should be paying about $500 over invoice BEFORE all rebates are applied. You can calculate invoice price on www.bmwconfig.com
Don't forget if you buy now NEW, you also get the $1000 finance credit, and $1730 Navigation credit. An extra $2730 + $2500 eco credit if you buy diesel
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Old 12-21-2011, 02:22 PM
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Getting the 1000 on financing but there hasn't been any mention of the 1730 nav credit. Any idea where I find more info on it?
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Old 12-21-2011, 07:23 PM
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Getting the 1000 on financing but there hasn't been any mention of the 1730 nav credit. Any idea where I find more info on it?
Do a search, if you search my posts you'll see I've listed out the rebates with details on each. Note that your price should be $500 over dealer cost (Invoice + MACO) before ANY incentives are applied. In this case, after rebates you should be well under invoice when all said and done.

To save you searching, here's a quick list of rebates:

$1000 Mission To Drive Credit (if you lease/finance with BMWFS)
$1000 Owner Loyalty Credit
$1730 Nav Credit
$2500 Eco Credit (35d Only)
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Old 12-21-2011, 09:58 PM
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I just really started looking seriously at the X5 Premium versus the new ML 350. But here in Houston I'd have to agree with Matt_UKTX that the dealers here are not willing to consider 1k over invoice. Matt, where did you end up buying? I've looked at North Houston and the salesman is nice enough but they are basically discounting the car about 1k and then applying the rebates.
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Old 12-21-2011, 10:47 PM
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I just really started looking seriously at the X5 Premium versus the new ML 350. But here in Houston I'd have to agree with Matt_UKTX that the dealers here are not willing to consider 1k over invoice. Matt, where did you end up buying? I've looked at North Houston and the salesman is nice enough but they are basically discounting the car about 1k and then applying the rebates.
I buy all my BMW's at Garlyn Shelton BMW in Bryan, TX. It's about 90 miles from Houston, but absolutely worth the drive. I would avoid Houston dealers like the plague, although more recently I've heard some good things from BMW of The Woodlands. You might just try calling there, asking for the GSM and telling him the deal you want. Just be very open - tell him you know the market value on the car, you're active on Bimmerfest and that you're looking for $1000 over BMWConfig.com Invoice Price before rebates. Be sure to give numbers so you don't get stuck eating MACO and other BS fees. Also make sure there is no mark-up on the MF and Acq Fee (if leasing).

If you contact Garlyn Shelton, talk to Pat Boyd or Michael Hochmann, both nice guys. You can also deal directly with Rusty Chandler, he's a GSM over there. Any of them will treat you right. Tell them I sent you - I just picked up an X5 35d there last month

If you're leasing, ask about Sales Tax credits. With me, they couldn't get to $500 over invoice before rebates (I was at about $1500) but they waived all the sales tax on the car, which was actually a better deal for me in the end anyway. Note, the credits are only for leases not purchases.

Alternatively, contact a forum sponsor like Jon Shafer, Greg Poland or Dencoop, and see what they will charge. I can't imagine it would cost more than $500 to transport the car to your home in Houston, so if you can work a $500 over invoice deal, you may still come out ahead. I heard Dencoop was doing deals at $250 over invoice a few weeks ago. You could also consider PDC delivery.
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Old 12-21-2011, 11:19 PM
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If you can swing the 2012, i would recommend getting the 2012. Personally I feel the E70 LCI is the best X5 they have made. The newer motors w/ 8 speed trans really makes the car.
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Old 12-21-2011, 11:49 PM
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if you can swing the 2012, i would recommend getting the 2012. Personally i feel the e70 lci is the best x5 they have made. The newer motors w/ 8 speed trans really makes the car.
+1 (and get the diesel while you're at it)
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Old 12-22-2011, 04:30 AM
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Definitely go for the 2012. I had an '08 X5 V8. 2012 Six Turbo is faster and smoother. Plus much better gas mileage. They may look similar but they drive different.
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Old 12-22-2011, 06:03 AM
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Guys, thanks so much for the good responses. I have been really leaning towards the ML but drove the X5 Premium yesterday and really liked it. I'm concerned about the stiff ride and how well it would hold up for a couple of years concerning rattles/squeaks (I live close to downtown where the streets are rather terrible) but it seems better built and of higher quality interior than the MB. And I'm only looking at a 2012, and want to lease. I will call Garlyn Shelton this morning and talk to them. Has anyone bought the Black Sapphire and regretted it? I was originally going for white but with the black trim I don't think I like the look as much as I'd hoped.
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Old 12-22-2011, 06:38 AM
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Guys, thanks so much for the good responses. I have been really leaning towards the ML but drove the X5 Premium yesterday and really liked it. I'm concerned about the stiff ride and how well it would hold up for a couple of years concerning rattles/squeaks (I live close to downtown where the streets are rather terrible) but it seems better built and of higher quality interior than the MB. And I'm only looking at a 2012, and want to lease. I will call Garlyn Shelton this morning and talk to them. Has anyone bought the Black Sapphire and regretted it? I was originally going for white but with the black trim I don't think I like the look as much as I'd hoped.
I got the Black Sapphire and love it. Not as bad as Jet Black in terms of maintenance.
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Old 12-22-2011, 06:58 AM
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Heightssq5, you're a man of good taste. Black Sapphire is an fantastic color, and so is Alpine White. My current X5 is white/oyster, two of my previous BMW's were Black Sapphire. You can't go wrong with either.

Some other thoughts:

1) Make sure you get the Space Saver Spare and Muti-contour seats. These are two must have options for any BMW in my opinion. The Space Saver Spare will allow you to dump the run flats and go with regular all-season tires. If you're leasing, do this early on, then put the run flats in storage and just put them back on at the end of your lease.

2) You live in Houston, so give some serious thought to the X5 35d. Diesel is very easy to find here, and costs about the same as premium. With the 35d, the car can go 600 miles between fill ups. I get about 26 MPG on average. The diesel offers the torque of the V8 with better fuel economy than the 35i. There's also an additional $2500 Eco Credit on the diesel.

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Guys, thanks so much for the good responses. I have been really leaning towards the ML but drove the X5 Premium yesterday and really liked it. I'm concerned about the stiff ride and how well it would hold up for a couple of years concerning rattles/squeaks (I live close to downtown where the streets are rather terrible) but it seems better built and of higher quality interior than the MB. And I'm only looking at a 2012, and want to lease. I will call Garlyn Shelton this morning and talk to them. Has anyone bought the Black Sapphire and regretted it? I was originally going for white but with the black trim I don't think I like the look as much as I'd hoped.
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Old 12-22-2011, 07:09 AM
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I live close to downtown and don't drive enough to really justify the diesel. I looked closely at the ML bluetec but frankly did not like the drive in slow, stop and go type situations. And I've been paying close attention to prices and in general the .15-.30 cent spread for diesel over premium unleaded ends up negating the financial case for a diesel in my circumstances. I certainly don't like the run flats and would like the space saver, but the unit I'm actually looking at is already on the ground and does not have that option but instead has the 3rd row seat, which could be useful periodically, but I don't need. I'm much more concerned that it doesn't have the premium sound and I'm used to having high end systems on my last few cars (Bang & Olufsen, Mark Levinson) that I'm afraid I'm not going to like the regular system. But I'm not an audiophile or anything, just like nice, clear sounding music.
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Old 12-22-2011, 07:15 AM
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Guys, thanks so much for the good responses. I have been really leaning towards the ML but drove the X5 Premium yesterday and really liked it. I'm concerned about the stiff ride and how well it would hold up for a couple of years concerning rattles/squeaks (I live close to downtown where the streets are rather terrible) but it seems better built and of higher quality interior than the MB. And I'm only looking at a 2012, and want to lease. I will call Garlyn Shelton this morning and talk to them. Has anyone bought the Black Sapphire and regretted it? I was originally going for white but with the black trim I don't think I like the look as much as I'd hoped.
I've got Black Sapphire and it's easier to maintain then I was expecting. However I recently purchased it and the weather hasn't been cooperative to justify a good detailing so cleaning has been limited to washing only.
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Old 12-22-2011, 07:29 AM
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I live close to downtown and don't drive enough to really justify the diesel. I looked closely at the ML bluetec but frankly did not like the drive in slow, stop and go type situations. And I've been paying close attention to prices and in general the .15-.30 cent spread for diesel over premium unleaded ends up negating the financial case for a diesel in my circumstances. I certainly don't like the run flats and would like the space saver, but the unit I'm actually looking at is already on the ground and does not have that option but instead has the 3rd row seat, which could be useful periodically, but I don't need. I'm much more concerned that it doesn't have the premium sound and I'm used to having high end systems on my last few cars (Bang & Olufsen, Mark Levinson) that I'm afraid I'm not going to like the regular system. But I'm not an audiophile or anything, just like nice, clear sounding music.
If you're mostly driving in stop/start conditions, I agree that the 35i might be a better option for you, due to the minor throttle lag on the diesel. I pay about $3.65 per gallon for diesel in Houston. From what I can tell, premium is about the same (+/- 10 cents). With that said, the diesel really shines in freeway driving, if you're not doing much of that, there's probably no need to pay a premium for it over the 35i as you correctly stated.

With regards to your other comments, don't be talked into buying a car that you don't like. Just order one from the factory and it will be here in 4 to 6 weeks. If you don't need the 3rd row, that's a huge extra expense that you're paying for. Never pay for options you don't want on a car. It's a total waste. Likewise, if you want Premium Sound, then get it. These are the kinds of things you'll regret if you don't. I've ordered my last two BMW's and that's the only way I'd get one from now on.

Houston dealers might try to BS you and say that they can't order one, they have no allocation, etc. That's why I deal with the out of town dealers like Garlyn Shelton. They are happy for the business and will either find the exact car you want or order it

Good luck...
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While I think the sales price could stand to come down another $1k or so, I was surprised to find a pretty good salesman at Momentum and may go that route with them going to pick up a vehicle that is built basically like I'd want. I can't make up my mind if I would like the cinnamon interior (black sapphire outside) or go with black interior and white outside. We'll see. Garlyn Shelton I spoke with this morning early and they've never bothered to follow back up.
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Old 12-22-2011, 04:31 PM
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While I think the sales price could stand to come down another $1k or so, I was surprised to find a pretty good salesman at Momentum and may go that route with them going to pick up a vehicle that is built basically like I'd want. I can't make up my mind if I would like the cinnamon interior (black sapphire outside) or go with black interior and white outside. We'll see. Garlyn Shelton I spoke with this morning early and they've never bothered to follow back up.
With Garlyn Shelton you might have to call a few times, follow up, etc. but in the end its worth it to get a good price. They are good people over there (integrity wise) just not the most organized. They also are a small town multi-franchise dealer, so they get very busy.

However, Momentum is definitely more polished, but I've never had luck in negotiating a reasonable price with them. One guy at Momentum told me that there is no "discount" on BMW's, but he might be able to offer some free mats.

If you can get bmwconfig.com Invoice Price + $1000 (BEFORE rebates are applied) that's a good deal. If not, walk away.

If you want any more specifics on Momentum and the local dealers, feel free to PM me. I get my servicing done at Momentum West right now.
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PS: Have you seen Black with Oyster interior? Amazing color combo. Alpine White with Oyster, Black or Cinnamon looks great too. Make sure you see the Cinnamon in person. It's a love it or hate it kind of color.

I personally, think the Alpine White looks best on the Sports Activity Package, but Black looks better on the M-Sport.
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I went with Alpine white on cinnamon brown. The cinnamon brown looks great and goes very nicely with the white so it turned out to be a really great color combo. Black is nice but a pain to keep the paint looking new (shows swirl marks too easily).
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