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The sixth generation 3 series, chassis code F30. 2013 model year 328i and 335i sedans now in production. Read the F30 frequently asked question thread for all your basic question and dive into all the details in the ultimate F30 information thread.

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They would have to offer something BMW doesn't. Maybe an ATS-V w/ V8, good manual, and fix the CUE. Styling would be tough to fix. But even then at $60k I'd pass.
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They would have to offer something BMW doesn't. Maybe an ATS-V w/ V8, good manual, and fix the CUE. Styling would be tough to fix. But even then at $60k I'd pass.
You're driving a 9 year old car with a street value of $4,500 that cost you $349 a month during the time you've owned it. Aren't cars like the F30 and ATS a wee bit out of your price range?

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They would have to offer something BMW doesn't. Maybe an ATS-V w/ V8, good manual, and fix the CUE. Styling would be tough to fix. But even then at $60k I'd pass.
For me the ATS 3.6 has done everything right as far as chassis, sound and fun factor, CUE is the last thing on my mind, I can drive one without CUE.

It is the style, more specifically too much chrome, and the lack of a more sporty looking trim like the 3 series m-sport, that will be the deal killer.

Even the C Class has a more aggressive sport trim apart from the base trim.

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For me the ATS 3.6 has done everything right as far as chassis, sound and fun factor, CUE is the last thing on my mind, I can drive one without CUE.

It is the style, more specifically too much chrome, and the lack of a more sporty looking trim like the 3 series m-sport, that will be the deal killer.

Even the C Class has a more aggressive sport trim apart from the base trim.
The only problem is you will have the 2.5L or 2.0L Base Car. Cue is standard all the way up from there.

So when did you drive one?


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cadil...item19d74a158a

Tell me those guages are not ugly.

Brand New Car, and the black plastic looks flithy.

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The only problem is you will have the 2.5L or 2.0L Base Car. Cue is standard all the way up from there.

So when did you drive one?


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cadil...item19d74a158a

Tell me those guages are not ugly.

Brand New Car, and the black plastic looks flithy.
When I drove the 3.6, CUE was not on my mind and still is not. Next year with more software updates it should work well, then CUE might surprise the reviewers. But still for me CUE will not make or break the deal.

The interior styling is also less important for me, the red seats more than made up for some less than ideal dash design items.

But the exterior chrome is a deal killer. As I said they need a special sport package that offers lowered body, even if just slightly, and body kit to set it apart from the other trims.
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When I drove the 3.6, CUE was not on my mind and still is not. Next year with more software updates it should work well, then CUE might surprise the reviewers. But still for me CUE will not make or break the deal.

The interior styling is also less important for me, the red seats more than made up for some less than ideal dash design items.

But the exterior chrome is a deal killer. As I said they need a special sport package that offers lowered body, even if just slightly, and body kit to set it apart from the other trims.
Well if you drove it and have no problem with all the issues then it should be a good car for you. You can wrap all the Chrome because Caddilac will never make a car without Chrome.
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You can wrap all the Chrome because Caddilac will never make a car without Chrome.
Cadillac could never have built the ATS either. I am not holding my breath of course.
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Old 12-13-2012, 04:33 AM
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You're driving a 9 year old car with a street value of $4,500 that cost you $349 a month during the time you've owned it. Aren't cars like the F30 and ATS a wee bit out of your price range?

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No, unlike you, I buy cars that I like to drive, not just which ones has a shinier badge. I know that's hard for you to understand.

But yeah, a $60k ATS or F30 is not how I like to spend my money, I'd much rather get a P-car, or just invest it.
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For me the ATS 3.6 has done everything right as far as chassis, sound and fun factor, CUE is the last thing on my mind, I can drive one without CUE.

It is the style, more specifically too much chrome, and the lack of a more sporty looking trim like the 3 series m-sport, that will be the deal killer.

Even the C Class has a more aggressive sport trim apart from the base trim.
I think CUE is standard, no? Yes, they did a decent job compared to the F30, but how about compared to an E90 335i? That car has better steering, better 6 speed, better sounding engine, suspension maybe not quite as good but that's a tough sell for me vs a low mileage E90.
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No, unlike you, I buy cars that I like to drive, not just which ones has a shinier badge. I know that's hard for you to understand.

But yeah, a $60k ATS or F30 is not how I like to spend my money, I'd much rather get a P-car, or just invest it.
Pardon the interruption. Whats a P-car?
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Old 12-13-2012, 05:10 AM
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No, unlike you, I buy cars that I like to drive, not just which ones has a shinier badge. I know that's hard for you to understand.

But yeah, a $60k ATS or F30 is not how I like to spend my money, I'd much rather get a P-car, or just invest it.
Don't bother explaining that to some people on this forum.
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The CTS-V is de-chromed. The ATS-V probably will too.

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Pardon the interruption. Whats a P-car?
Sorry, a Porsche. I tend to desire cars based on excitement, which is why $60k for a compact luxury sedan is a tough sell.
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Old 12-13-2012, 05:32 AM
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Anti-Cadillac I guess you would call me a heretic because I told you the world was round..lol

How many Cadillac’s have you owned? How about people you are close to? Have you driven the ATS?

Well I have owned three (CTS, Escalade, and DTS). My Dad has owned two (Escalade, and the New XTS). I have driven the ATS twice for a three days or longer. I like Cadillac’s hence why I have owned three.

On the 3.6 subject, I know one of car that the dealer replaced two brand new 3.6l engines. GM last year did a Massive Recall of the 3.6L V6 Engine. Granted all cars and engines have problems but your acclaim for a motor and car that you have only read about is misguided.

I think the ATS is a good car but I have driven it and am very familiar with the "wonderful Cue system". Just because I state the flaws with the car doesn't mean I hate Cadillac. I believe in being honest not sugar coating the world.
You like to use strong words which make your posts overly dramatic. And I drove a 2006 CTS as a company car for 3 years. It had the 255 HP version of the 3.6 and was a flawless engine IMO. It was smooth as silk, powerful and in my case, completely reliable.

There are engine recalls all the time. If you've been here long enough you will know about the massive problems with the high pressure fuel pump on the BMW N54 engine as well as injector and wastegate issues on the same. Not to mention valvetrain noise on the N52.
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Sorry, a Porsche. I tend to desire cars based on excitement, which is why $60k for a compact luxury sedan is a tough sell.
I'd love to own a Cayman but for some of us with 2 cars that both need to haul a 2 year old and luggage, a luxury sport sedan is the correct choice when excitement is part of the equation.
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Strange, I am starting to see the trend here. If money were not an issue you would rather get a Porsche? However an ATS or 3er can be had for half that, given you prefer the driving dynamics of a car I would imagine a stripper 3er or ATS should do. You can then invest the rest. Win win
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I'd love to own a Cayman but for some of us with 2 cars that both need to haul a 2 year old and luggage, a luxury sport sedan is the correct choice when excitement is part of the equation.
Yeah, that's true, I'm in the same boat. It's only that since my ZHP is still a blast to drive, and has enough room to haul our kid, I haven't bothered upgrading.
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Strange, I am starting to see the trend here. If money were not an issue you would rather get a Porsche? However an ATS or 3er can be had for half that, given you prefer the driving dynamics of a car I would imagine a stripper 3er or ATS should do. You can then invest the rest. Win win
Something like that - if I were driving a Corolla, I'd get an F30 and be thrilled. But I'm already driving a really fun car so there's no urge to spend big bucks to get an F30 or ATS.

If I were going to yank $50k from TD Ameritrade to buy a car, it needs to be a car that gives me wood every time I drive it, and that would have to be a slightly used 997 C2S or something.
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The CTS-V is de-chromed. The ATS-V probably will too.

Should not have to move up to the V to have it. Am I correct GM is more inclined to let the aftermarket vendors do such mods?

BMW has over time made it more difficult for the aftermarket shops, the engine and exhaust tuning for examples, and offers more performance parts itself.
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Something like that - if I were driving a Corolla, I'd get an F30 and be thrilled. But I'm already driving a really fun car so there's no urge to spend big bucks to get an F30 or ATS.

If I were going to yank $50k from TD Ameritrade to buy a car, it needs to be a car that gives me wood every time I drive it, and that would have to be a slightly used 997 C2S or something.
How about giving the Subaru brz a try? There is a short window of opportunity when the kids have out grown child seats but still willing to crawl in and out of small backseats.
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Should not have to move up to the V to have it. Am I correct GM is more inclined to let the aftermarket vendors do such mods?

BMW has over time made it more difficult for the aftermarket shops, the engine and exhaust tuning for examples, and offers more performance parts itself.
No, GM is denying claims under warranty for aftermarket performance mods.
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Very cool car, but my son is 1 1/2 so not in that window yet.
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The CTS-V is de-chromed. The ATS-V probably will too.

CTS V has chrome and polished aluminum everywhere.



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You like to use strong words which make your posts overly dramatic. And I drove a 2006 CTS as a company car for 3 years. It had the 255 HP version of the 3.6 and was a flawless engine IMO. It was smooth as silk, powerful and in my case, completely reliable.

There are engine recalls all the time. If you've been here long enough you will know about the massive problems with the high pressure fuel pump on the BMW N54 engine as well as injector and wastegate issues on the same. Not to mention valvetrain noise on the N52.
I am sorry if my enhanced vocabulary offends you. This is just the way I express myself it was not intended to insult you.

The 2004-2007 CTS 3.6l (LY7) is a different engine than the 2013 ATS 3.6l (LFX). Also I stated in my post above a lot of engines have recalls, so that point is redundant and moot. I hope the brand new CTS you drove was reliable but I bet you weren’t racing it around either. I know about the N54 and N52 both of which do not come in the F30 BMWs.
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I am sorry if my enhanced vocabulary offends you. This is just the way I express myself it was not intended to insult you.

The 2004-2007 CTS 3.6l (LY7) is a different engine than the 2013 ATS 3.6l (LFX). Also I stated in my post above a lot of engines have recalls, so that point is redundant and moot. I hope the brand new CTS you drove was reliable but I bet you weren’t racing it around either. I know about the N54 and N52 both of which do not come in the F30 BMWs.
There is a general point that we have both made that engine recalls are common. And the N55 is not that different from the N54. There have been some cases of HPFP issues in the N55.
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CTS V has chrome and polished aluminum everywhere.
I'll have to take your word for it. Black Diamond Edition then?



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