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Old 09-10-2013, 07:40 PM
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F30 320i review in the October Car and Driver

One-page review on page 70--not yet available on the C&D website. Article title is 'The Third Power: BMW 320i: even in its most basic permutation, the 3-series's formula still holds." Their test results were with--it appears--the six-speed manual sport package. This page is part of a feature section entitled "BMW's new math," with four articles on the 3-series and 4-series.
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Old 09-11-2013, 03:30 PM
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Since the C&D review is not online yet, here are some highlights. "We can almost hear the sales pitch: 'This 320i is $4550 less than the 328i, and you get the same 2.0-liter turbo engine." That's true, but what your salesperson might not tell you is that you give up 60 horsepower to the 240-up 328i, and the 320i's zero-to-60 time of 6.5 seconds is 0.9 second slower than the 328i's."

"The 320i doesn't start falling significantly behind the 328i until it reaches 50 mph. Fifty-to-seventy passing times are a second slower in the 320i, so the freeway merge requires a bit more planning."

"To improve the driving experience, though, try the $1300 Sport package that adds staggered 18-inch wheels with summer tires and an M-Sport-tuned suspension. A choppier ride is a minor trade-off for quick reflexes and unshakeable stability. We measure 0.87 on the skidpad, which isn't very impressive, but all of that grip is usable on freeway ramps or canyon roads."

"Cut free of frippery, the 320i becomes a car that goads you to play with it instead of the trinkets inside."
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Sounds like a fair review. Good stuff.
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Old 09-11-2013, 06:12 PM
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Unfortunately, the 320i they got for the test was a slushbox.
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I'm a subscriber & I have read it 2 nights ago. I don't have the heart to bring up what C&D has said about current F30 in their October issue. Since you read "The Third Power" which is about 320i, did you also happen to digest 1 article preceding it ( Three Goes into Four) & 2 articles after it ( Still the Magic Number? & A Tale of Two 3s )? It's rare to see C&D dedicates a few articles & have some serious unkind words about F30. It makes a lot of sense for folks that have owned multiple 3 series, but might be news to 1st time F30 buyers.

I predict someone will bring up reference to those articles as a new thread within next few days and there goes another forum flame war.
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Old 09-11-2013, 09:10 PM
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I did of course read the whole feature section on BMWs in the October issue, with more than a few references to F30 problems already familiar to those of us on this forum--though I don't think the brake failure issue came up--yet!
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People have become spoiled by numbers - .87 on the skidpad and 0 to 60's in the 6 second range are fine numbers, and more performance than most drivers will ever use in their 25 mph average speed commutes.

This is akin to what happened in the stereo hi-fidelity market years ago - people began arguing over "harmonic distortion" and "slew rate" numbers so low, no human being could ever hear nor tell the difference from one to another.. It became all about numbers ...

The 320i is probably the most BMW anyone would ever need, and years ago, it would've been the featured bimmer (the early E30's were all 4 cylinder and modestly powered).

Today, people want power, more and more of it ....
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And, if you read this forum regularly, they also want more than power, they must have xenon lighting, nav, leather, 20" wheels, and then they start modding the car!
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^ LOL. I concur. There was this epic thread about someone renege on a signed contract because of missing lighting pack.
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And, if you read this forum regularly, they also want more than power, they must have xenon lighting, nav, leather, 20" wheels, and then they start modding the car!
Yep, and after they get 20 inch wheels, they begin complaining about the hard ride and how potholes cause flats ....
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I'm a subscriber & I have read it 2 nights ago. I don't have the heart to bring up what C&D has said about current F30 in their October issue. Since you read "The Third Power" which is about 320i, did you also happen to digest 1 article preceding it ( Three Goes into Four) & 2 articles after it ( Still the Magic Number? & A Tale of Two 3s )? It's rare to see C&D dedicates a few articles & have some serious unkind words about F30. It makes a lot of sense for folks that have owned multiple 3 series, but might be news to 1st time F30 buyers.

I predict someone will bring up reference to those articles as a new thread within next few days and there goes another forum flame war.
Holly cow ! I can see the future ( posted 8 minutes after my prediction) > http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=721500
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I'm a subscriber & I have read it 2 nights ago. I don't have the heart to bring up what C&D has said about current F30 in their October issue. Since you read "The Third Power" which is about 320i, did you also happen to digest 1 article preceding it ( Three Goes into Four) & 2 articles after it ( Still the Magic Number? & A Tale of Two 3s )? It's rare to see C&D dedicates a few articles & have some serious unkind words about F30. It makes a lot of sense for folks that have owned multiple 3 series, but might be news to 1st time F30 buyers.

I predict someone will bring up reference to those articles as a new thread within next few days and there goes another forum flame war.
Since F30 has been on the market for 1.5+ years, majority of the buyers is 1st time. I haven't read the C&D articles(besides the excerpts by OP), nor owned any previous 3 series, but I would say this F30(mine being a lowly noline 328i) is a worthy successor of my previous E39, and that is a job well done by those folks at Munich.
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Since F30 has been on the market for 1.5+ years, majority of the buyers is 1st time. I haven't read the C&D articles(besides the excerpts by OP), nor owned any previous 3 series, but I would say this F30(mine being a lowly noline 328i) is a worthy successor of my previous E39, and that is a job well done by those folks at Munich.
I'm not here to flame, just simply stating C&D's October 2013 issue carries more than 1 article on F30's driving dynamics which is unheard of. Those were penned by someone whom either currently own E90 or had previously owned one.
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And, if you read this forum regularly, they also want more than power, they must have xenon lighting, nav, leather, 20" wheels, and then they start modding the car!
While an 8-speed auto transmission isn't pure enough, gotta have park distance sensors!
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Nordique, thanks, but you failed to post the best comment of all (IMHO), right after "Cut free of frippery, the 320i becomes a car that goads you to play with it instead of the trinkets inside" it goes "A vinyl-trimmed interior sounds like a hardship, but we suspect that anyone who sits in this BMW will assume the upholstery is bovine-based". "A 6.5-inch display that juts out of the dash will make folks think you paid for navigation".

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People have become spoiled by numbers - .87 on the skidpad and 0 to 60's in the 6 second range are fine numbers, and more performance than most drivers will ever use in their 25 mph average speed commutes.

This is akin to what happened in the stereo hi-fidelity market years ago - people began arguing over "harmonic distortion" and "slew rate" numbers so low, no human being could ever hear nor tell the difference from one to another.. It became all about numbers ...

The 320i is probably the most BMW anyone would ever need, and years ago, it would've been the featured bimmer (the early E30's were all 4 cylinder and modestly powered).

Today, people want power, more and more of it ....
Agree completely.

My old late-1990's Nissan Maxima with a 5MT would do 0-60 in the mid-6s range, and I considered that to be about perfect. Enough to be entertaining, but not so much that you end up babying it everywhere. I have to baby my 300hp 335i. There's just no place where I live to really give it a good flogging and enjoy it without going out of your way. And yeah, since when is 0.87g on the skidpad not enough? Geez.

Both the auto and the manual 320i are doing 0-60 in the mid to high 6 second range which is more than good enough for me, and of course you know there'll be chips to put on them too. I just don't like the new F30 enough to warrant spending too much for one, but the performance of this 320 is good enough that I'd definitely consider one. Still will probably keep the E93 though.
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Those number are totally more than enough !

E30 M3 was around 0.81 with 0-60 around 7 sec
E36 M3 0.86 and 5.7 sec
E46 M3 0.87 and 4.8
E92 M3 0.96 and 4.3

Those are for M3's bimmers for Christ sake !!!


Want more? Yeah, there is more:

2012 335i F30 (sport) 0.88 and 5.3 sec
2012 328i F30 (sport) 0.87 and 5.6
2011 335i E92 0.88 and 5.0 sec
2011 335i E90 0.89 and 4.9
2011 335is E90 0.93 and 4.6
2006 330i E90 0.88 and 5.9
2005 330i E46 ZHP 0.86 and 5.7


0.87 and mids 6 sec range? Way more than enough !!!

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People have become spoiled by numbers - .87 on the skidpad and 0 to 60's in the 6 second range are fine numbers, and more performance than most drivers will ever use in their 25 mph average speed commutes.

This is akin to what happened in the stereo hi-fidelity market years ago - people began arguing over "harmonic distortion" and "slew rate" numbers so low, no human being could ever hear nor tell the difference from one to another.. It became all about numbers ...

The 320i is probably the most BMW anyone would ever need, and years ago, it would've been the featured bimmer (the early E30's were all 4 cylinder and modestly powered).

Today, people want power, more and more of it ....
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You guys can have your 6.5 second zero to 60 car. No thanks for me. I am enjoying my vehicle, and I absolutely love the additional power I get. Stomp the peddle at 60 and you are going 100 in a flash. Maybe I will do the 335 next time for EVEN MORE POWER!

You weenies complaining about people wanting more horse power and blah blah blah can go back to the 90s.
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You guys can have your 6.5 second zero to 60 car. No thanks for me. I am enjoying my vehicle, and I absolutely love the additional power I get. Stomp the peddle at 60 and you are going 100 in a flash. Maybe I will do the 335 next time for EVEN MORE POWER!

You weenies complaining about people wanting more horse power and blah blah blah can go back to the 90s.
Many years ago, when I took my first Skip Barber course, I was quite amazed by what the instructor could accomplish with a lowly, off-the-shelf FWD Dodge Neon - it really opened my eyes.
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Many years ago, when I took my first Skip Barber course, I was quite amazed by what the instructor could accomplish with a lowly, off-the-shelf FWD Dodge Neon - it really opened my eyes.
It has been demonstrated that with enough skills and knowledge of the road and the car, a bulky transit van could match many bimmers and porches on the ring. For daily driving around semi-familiar roads, additional HP and torque(and competent handling) can be viewed as additional safety margin for a normal Joe.
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You guys can have your 6.5 second zero to 60 car. No thanks for me. I am enjoying my vehicle, and I absolutely love the additional power I get. Stomp the peddle at 60 and you are going 100 in a flash. Maybe I will do the 335 next time for EVEN MORE POWER!
You weenies complaining about people wanting more horse power and blah blah blah can go back to the 90s.
In particular with this 320i, that could be easily fix with a chip... Not saying it is needed, but just in case the owner feels a "need" to have more HP!!!

I do not think we are complaining at all, just showing that the 320i is not a slug, and in particular my post was to show that the "behavior" or "maneuverability" of the 320i is actually quite good and in par with other "high performance" BMW's at least in numbers. I have owned an E36 and a M3 E46, and play with E92's. Currently no bimmer in our house, however thinking about getting into a 320i which seems to have the best fun/$ ratio in the new BMW family.

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Unfortunately, the 320i they got for the test was a slushbox.
Having owned driven manuals and autos over the years, I definitely feel for the enthusiasts who love their manuals, even though I no longer find they suit the majority of my needs.

What drives me nuts is the way the car magazines (C&D is probably the worse about this) rag on the auto throughout their reviews. We get it - the articles are written by enthusiasts, but the majority of consumers reading reviews are going to be buying automatics.



So it would be nice if the reviewers could simply state something like:

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"We certainly would have preferred a three-pedal set-up to fully enjoy this car, but this particular auto is/isn't a good transmission because X and the driving experience overall is Y."
I mean, it's absurd when you hear these reviewers complaining about slushboxes in cars as pedestrian as the Ford Fusion or the Honda Accord. It should remain an available set-up on sport vehicles for the enthusiasts, but the obsession in the automotive press is silly. There are a wide variety of people reading these publications, and the articles would be more useful if we didn't have to endure a rant about the horrors of an automatic transmission ruining the experience for the writer in nearly every car.

Note: this was NOT meant to argue with or attack Nordique - just used the quote above to give context for this rant.
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^ LOL. I concur. There was this epic thread about someone renege on a signed contract because of missing lighting pack.
yeah i agree with what most of everything we're talking about. however, if i piad 900 bucks for xenons and didnt get them.... yeah that'd be a deal breaker. No offense meant man, just my opinion on that specific matter. happy motoring

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yeah i agree with what most of everything we're talking about. however, if i piad 900 bucks for xenons and didnt get them.... yeah that'd be a deal breaker. No offense meant man, just my opinion on that specific matter. happy motoring

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Joe, that's not what I'm trying to say. Obviously, if you pay $900 for xenon then your vehicle must be so equipped. I'm referring to buyer remorse as in signing the sales contract by deleting lighting pack for whatever reason, then coming back at dealership to make a scene & renege on a signed contract.

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